Ok, so we we tested the Dove Canyon (sister to the Piper Glen - PG doesn't have a lounge but DC does) last night and we loved it!! I don't even think we're going to wet test the Optima - we liked the fact that the PG is bigger than the Optima and that it has more jets (I know some of you will comment about that but it's the truth). It was also less money than what we were quoted for the Optima (a little over 11K, no stereo). We got the LED package upgrade, steps, hydralic cover lifter (no stereo) for $10,100. There was also a high bar table with 4 stools that we liked and it matched the gray cabinet and our patio so he threw that in for an extra $100 when it was normally sold for $350. So, we're happy....we'll be proud Piper Glen owners in about 4 weeks!