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Responding now after the letter: Interesting that we all assumed that the brother would be pissed *on behaf* of his brother, and not *at* him. Jim even manages to deceive and screw his own family.
Jim who claims to be a man of God, and have intgrity,
If you lie down with dogs, you're gonna get fleas.I have no sympathy for this particular situation, sorry.Terminator
I have now spoken with one person who has had a phone conversation with John Gruver. I have read a post from another person who has called and spoken with his wife and John himself.I don't want to bother this person with another phone call from myself - I am convinced that this is legit. I'll take my lumps if it turns out to be a scam, but I trust the person I have spoken with completely and I have no real choice but to accept this at face value.So now - is there anything on the planet that we can do to help this guy? I sure can't think of anything. Even if we took up a collection and paid part of the debt, the amazing hurt would still be there, and would be very real.One suggestion I have for John - try talking to your credit card company and see if they will work to help you collect the debt which you didn't actually incur. Then call Phoenix - Their number is 1-800-400-7727.Or email them at: service@phoenixspas.comWho knows? A little pressure from the people who make his tubs may get Jim to actually do the right thing.It's worth a shot. 8-)
Jim probably has himself coverd by being incorporated,(house and bank accounts) but I wonder if John could go after the corp and seize assests? I doubt the property is listed as an asset but the truck/camper and forklift and tools are probably listed as capital by the corp that John could sieze and auction off.