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Re: Where does the neutral go?
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2005, 04:23:16 pm »
I'd check with the local authority in your area on the bonding thing.  I was told I had to bond my water spigot because it was grounded metal close enough to the spa water, it was either 5' or 6', can't remember.

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Re: Where does the neutral go?
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2005, 04:23:16 pm »

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Re: Where does the neutral go?
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2005, 07:48:27 pm »
Chas?  

Any input about my grounding and bonding response?

Also, I talked to a big electrical store, and they looked up and found that GE does not make a 60 amp GFCI for my panel.  Siemens (sp?) does, but they said that would not fit my panel.  I may have no choice but to pick up the 60 amp spa box that STL-REX wrote of, and re-do my set up outside.

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Re: Where does the neutral go?
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2005, 09:59:29 am »
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Not to be argumentative, but my Square D 60 amp GFI breaker absolutely does not have a neutral terminal on it.  It is absolutely a GFI breaker, no question.
It has the 2 terminals for the hots, and the white pigtail, but nowhere to attach a neutral wire to it.  I thought it was strange too, and when I compared it to the identical brand/model 50 amp GFI, there definately was a neutral terminal on the 50.  It probably accounted for why my 60 amp breaker was about $15 cheaper than the same model/brand 50 amper.  


100% correct, I went through this YESTERDAY wiring my tub.

I initially fed the neutral from the tub through the neutral load side of the of the GFI (50A one in Lowes Square D “Spa Pack”) and ran it to the tub.  In this configuration the GFI would trip once power is supplied.

I called up a Vita Spa dealer who informed me the tub does not need a GFI supplied neutral, that actually a ground should run directly to the spa from the main panel main panel (one in the same since we have a common neutral bus bar).  

So one of the common bars in my spa pack has the incoming neutral, curley-Q neutral to the GFI, and the outgoing neutral.

-John


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Re: Where does the neutral go?
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2005, 10:10:24 am »
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Not to be argumentative, but my Square D 60 amp GFI breaker absolutely does not have a neutral terminal on it.  It is absolutely a GFI breaker, no question.
It has the 2 terminals for the hots, and the white pigtail, but nowhere to attach a neutral wire to it.  I thought it was strange too, and when I compared it to the identical brand/model 50 amp GFI, there definately was a neutral terminal on the 50.  


Here are the directions I got with the 50, on the top of the page it shows the 60 too w/o the load neutral.



-John
« Last Edit: September 01, 2005, 10:11:41 am by Hubjeep »

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Re: Where does the neutral go?
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2005, 01:50:27 pm »
STL-REX,

I just checked the Lowe's web page, and am getting no match for a 60 amp spa box.  50 amp comes up fine....

Do you have a description, part number, web address that I can use to try and locate this part?





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Re: Where does the neutral go?
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2005, 02:24:31 pm »
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STL-REX,

I just checked the Lowe's web page, and am getting no match for a 60 amp spa box...

Do you have a description, part number, web address that I can use to try and locate this part?


This one?
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=105741-76863-UG412RMW260P&lpage=none
« Last Edit: September 01, 2005, 02:25:01 pm by Hubjeep »

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Re: Where does the neutral go?
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2005, 02:52:02 pm »
HJ,

Thanks for the link, but when I click on it, it comes up as "This item no longer available".

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Re: Where does the neutral go?
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2005, 02:55:46 pm »
HJ,

Scratch that.  I switched my "shopping store" from Westminster to Huntington Beach, and it came up perfect.  Thanks for the help! :)

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