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one more question... i'm getting pavers for my backyard... should i just ask the contractor to put pavers where the tub is going to sit? or have concrete? considering the price is almost the same...
Please find a Bullfrog dealer and take a look. I had one of the brands you have looked at and it was, shall we say, less than satisfactory. Granted I probably got it 15 years ago but it started leaking just after the warranty expired and cost a ton to heat. My Bullfrog is now nine years old and has had one problem. The circuit board failed a year or so ago. The tech guy walked me through the troubleshooting and it probably took me 15 minutes to swap it out. Whatever you choose, go for any extra pumps and higher powered heat units you can get. On a big spa you can't have to much pump power, and extra heat capacity will allow you to hold the unit at a lower temperature and warm it up down the road when you aren't using it 17 times a day like you will at first.Good luck
tman's bullfrog hangup is so weird. Most people pretty much agree that they make a great hot tub and they are worth considering in your research. You are like the only one who trashes them.
I think Bull Frog makes a fine tub.
Quote from: Sam on September 15, 2016, 06:33:28 pmtman's bullfrog hangup is so weird. Most people pretty much agree that they make a great hot tub and they are worth considering in your research. You are like the only one who trashes them.I think Bull Frog makes a fine tub. I just don't like the current sales model. It's full of skewed facts and outright lies.1. 90% less plumbing (as if this means anything, and 90% less than what tub?)2. Less Moving Parts (haven't figure which ones out yet in my research, and no one has provided the info to me)3. No Diverter Valves (lie, changing the name does not make a component do something different)4. No Manifolds (lie, matter of fact they are closer to your ears than in a regularly designed hot tub with no insulation on them to help the noise generated from water diversion and cavitation)5. 100% full power on all jet pacs (some kinda magic? Unless there's a pump for each pac and another for the the balance of the jets, not sure what you would do with excess flow if you wanted to turn a pac down? Errrr wait, no diverter valves, variable output pumps?) They make variable output pumps.These are the ones I am chewing on. Go ahead, tell me how I don't know nothing bout BF
+1. But you're gonna really agitate some folks on here, Tman
Quote from: Tman122 on September 15, 2016, 08:02:05 pmQuote from: Sam on September 15, 2016, 06:33:28 pmtman's bullfrog hangup is so weird. Most people pretty much agree that they make a great hot tub and they are worth considering in your research. You are like the only one who trashes them.I think Bull Frog makes a fine tub. I just don't like the current sales model. It's full of skewed facts and outright lies.1. 90% less plumbing (as if this means anything, and 90% less than what tub?)2. Less Moving Parts (haven't figure which ones out yet in my research, and no one has provided the info to me)3. No Diverter Valves (lie, changing the name does not make a component do something different)4. No Manifolds (lie, matter of fact they are closer to your ears than in a regularly designed hot tub with no insulation on them to help the noise generated from water diversion and cavitation)5. 100% full power on all jet pacs (some kinda magic? Unless there's a pump for each pac and another for the the balance of the jets, not sure what you would do with excess flow if you wanted to turn a pac down? Errrr wait, no diverter valves, variable output pumps?) They make variable output pumps.These are the ones I am chewing on. Go ahead, tell me how I don't know nothing bout BF1. It says "up to" 90% less plumbing. It's implied that they are comparing it to a hot tub with similar size and jet count. There is nothing demonstrably false or misleading about this statement. There is indeed quite a bit less plumbing in a bullfrog than another similarly specc'd hot tub. You cannot argue this one. It's simply truth.2. Nowhere does their website say less moving parts. Nor have I seen anyone say that.3. A diverter valve, as used by ever other hot tub manufacturer is not in any bullfrog. Diverters are pretty much the same in every hot tub and nothing resembling them is found in a Bullfrog.You can in fact turn each individual jetpak up or down with the control knob at it's base. This knob is nothing like what we all know and call a diverter valve in every other hot tub. It's not. By your logic, every single jet in most hot tubs is a diverter valve because you can turn them up and down by twisting them. This is clearly a stretch and you are being quite obtuse on this one.4. They don't say "no manifolds". In fact, if you go to their website, you will see multiple mentions of the h2air manifold on the back of their jetpaks. Go look for yourself. It is nothing like the traditional manifolds found in every single other hot tub though. It's actually a pretty ingenious evolution of hot tub plumbing.5. I'm not even sure where you are getting this one. I have seen people state that you can have all of the jets operate at once without having to turn a diverter valve to some half position. I think again you are misrepresenting things and/or playing semantics.I'm not trying to fight with you or anything, I promise. You have repeatedly demonstrated your ignorance on this subject though and I feel compelled to speak up. No offense. You are generally very helpful and provide good information here. For some reason when it comes to Bullfrog, you get weird.
don't waste your time Sam....all the "dinosaurs" in the industry can't fathom a different way to design/build/sell a Hot Tub other than the way its been done for the last 30 years...I'll take 30% + growth over each of the last 3 years while most dealers are closing stores or hoping they hit a 2% growth on a yearly basis if they are lucky.