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Besides just saying it is better can you give some specifics? Like the pumps are better or the materials its made with are better, or what? For those in the know im sure you see ABXY and go yeah but for us untrained we really a bone here.
Quote from: imjustdave on April 28, 2016, 11:15:28 pmBesides just saying it is better can you give some specifics? Like the pumps are better or the materials its made with are better, or what? For those in the know im sure you see ABXY and go yeah but for us untrained we really a bone here.Envoy is a great tub. A lot of things come standard on the envoy that are options on the x8. Circ pump, ozone, better lighting package. The x series is bullfrog making tubs like everybody else so there are no movable jet packs. The warranty on the tubs is different. It's 5 years parts on the envoy and 2 on the x8 I believe. The envoy has the moto massage in it which some people love. I think the more comparable comparison would be bullfrog a8 versus envoy or a hot spot versus the x8. The x8 looks nicer then the hot spot but they are both the bottom level of hot springs and bullfrog. Not that there is anything wrong with either. It's just you get more for your money each step you go up in the two brands. I'm a dealer of neither and a competitor of both. I think they both make good tubs. They both have features that the other one does. Have you wet tested both or either? I think if you text them both you will feel the difference
+ a higher level of finishing "under the hood"
Quote from: BullFrogSpasMN on April 30, 2016, 02:35:00 pm + a higher level of finishing "under the hood" What does that mean and what does it do for the owner?
Quote from: Spatech_tuo on April 30, 2016, 02:53:44 pmQuote from: BullFrogSpasMN on April 30, 2016, 02:35:00 pm + a higher level of finishing "under the hood" What does that mean and what does it do for the owner?Here is how I would break both of them down: Nothing against Hot Spot, I've sold tons of them, good spa for the money but there are differences between the 2...some may see value in these differences, some may notHot Spot Base = very cheap wood + Plastic Bag, pumps are attached with screws driven into a piece of painted plywoodBullfrog Base = 1 piece composite...much less prone to rodent intrusion and general "rotting" pumps are attached using stainless bolts & lock washers + rubber grommets to prevent vibration noise...the equipment compartment is also much "cleaner & organized" don't take my word for it, walk into both dealers and ask them to remove the door panel, you will see the differencea 7' Hot Spot uses 1.5 HP Pumps (continuous duty)a 7' X-Series uses 2.5 HP Pumps (continuous duty)Hot Spot has a 2 yr component warrantyBullfrog has a 3 yr component warrantyHot Spot 2 year shell warrantyBullfrog 3 year shell warrantyHot Spot 2 year plumbingBullfrog 3 year plumbinga 7' Hot Spot uses 65 sq ft of filtrationa 7' X-Series uses 100 sq ft of filtrationHot Spot uses diverter system which is a common fail pointBullfrog utilizes no divereters and allows the user to control every single jet independently Hot Spot has 3 varieties of jetsBullfrog has 5 varietiesPricing for a 7' hot spot = $6,500 - $7,000 ish...obviously dealer chooses their own pricing and depends on options (stereo, ozone, etc)Pricing for a 7' X-Series $7,500 ish...obviously dealer chooses their own pricing and depends on options (stereo, circ pump, ozone, etc.)
Quote from: Hottubguy on April 29, 2016, 11:06:27 pmQuote from: imjustdave on April 28, 2016, 11:15:28 pmBesides just saying it is better can you give some specifics? Like the pumps are better or the materials its made with are better, or what? For those in the know im sure you see ABXY and go yeah but for us untrained we really a bone here.Envoy is a great tub. A lot of things come standard on the envoy that are options on the x8. Circ pump, ozone, better lighting package. The x series is bullfrog making tubs like everybody else so there are no movable jet packs. The warranty on the tubs is different. It's 5 years parts on the envoy and 2 on the x8 I believe. The envoy has the moto massage in it which some people love. I think the more comparable comparison would be bullfrog a8 versus envoy or a hot spot versus the x8. The x8 looks nicer then the hot spot but they are both the bottom level of hot springs and bullfrog. Not that there is anything wrong with either. It's just you get more for your money each step you go up in the two brands. I'm a dealer of neither and a competitor of both. I think they both make good tubs. They both have features that the other one does. Have you wet tested both or either? I think if you text them both you will feel the difference3 year component warranty on the X-Collection + a higher level of finishing "under the hood" than a Hot Spot which is why they will run a little more $ than a Hot Spot typically
Quote from: BullFrogSpasMN on April 30, 2016, 02:35:00 pmQuote from: Hottubguy on April 29, 2016, 11:06:27 pmQuote from: imjustdave on April 28, 2016, 11:15:28 pmBesides just saying it is better can you give some specifics? Like the pumps are better or the materials its made with are better, or what? For those in the know im sure you see ABXY and go yeah but for us untrained we really a bone here.Envoy is a great tub. A lot of things come standard on the envoy that are options on the x8. Circ pump, ozone, better lighting package. The x series is bullfrog making tubs like everybody else so there are no movable jet packs. The warranty on the tubs is different. It's 5 years parts on the envoy and 2 on the x8 I believe. The envoy has the moto massage in it which some people love. I think the more comparable comparison would be bullfrog a8 versus envoy or a hot spot versus the x8. The x8 looks nicer then the hot spot but they are both the bottom level of hot springs and bullfrog. Not that there is anything wrong with either. It's just you get more for your money each step you go up in the two brands. I'm a dealer of neither and a competitor of both. I think they both make good tubs. They both have features that the other one does. Have you wet tested both or either? I think if you text them both you will feel the difference3 year component warranty on the X-Collection + a higher level of finishing "under the hood" than a Hot Spot which is why they will run a little more $ than a Hot Spot typicallyThat's a good warranty for that tub. No diverted Valves in those either?