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Tman has always had a weird thing with Bullfrog. In the end, they have significantly less plumbing than a comparable spa. They have less holes drilled in the shell. They allow you to decide what jets you want and in what seat to put them. You can change them whenever you want. When they come out with a new pack, you can upgrade your old hot tub. JetPaks are patented and you cannot copy them. This is all verifiable fact and not sales BS.
I thought patents only lasted 7 years?
The thing with patents is what it is. Nobody that I know of has done a no by-pass filtration system other than HS. No one has done the exterior equipment pac other than Beach Comber. And no one has done the jet pac system other than Bullfrog. Arctic does their insulation system and I don't think anyone has really copied it. Patent or not maybe some just do not want to be labeled a copy cat for a better lack of terms? I am sure there are other examples, any of you guys that have been in the industry can think of?
Quote from: Jacuzzi Jim on March 30, 2016, 12:04:31 am The thing with patents is what it is. Nobody that I know of has done a no by-pass filtration system other than HS. No one has done the exterior equipment pac other than Beach Comber. And no one has done the jet pac system other than Bullfrog. Arctic does their insulation system and I don't think anyone has really copied it. Patent or not maybe some just do not want to be labeled a copy cat for a better lack of terms? I am sure there are other examples, any of you guys that have been in the industry can think of? pretty much everything is copycatted at some point...the only things that really aren't seem to be things that would require a complete new mold to be built (ie no-bypass or similar system that requires a very large filter compartment) anything that is a "component" will eventually be copied, ie Remote Controls, Salt Systems, Stereos, WiFi Apps, Jet Designs, etc....Also I rarely even hear the name Artic but isn't their insulation "system" similar to Maax?
Arctic uses spray foam on the inside of the cabinet walls.
Their claim of heating without a heater is false. Put's your pumps and electronics in a heated and even super heated environment in summer, which effects longevity. So venting is required for cooling and to prevent heat creep.
But more important their molds seemed confining to me.
I believe their claim of heating without a heater referred to hot climate areas where the pumps could generate enough heat to help maintain water temp without the heater being used much. The wording is key...they didn't claim you don't need a heater, only that the tub could maintain temp without the heater coming on when the jet pumps were running on a hot day. Obviously in cold climates like winter in the northern States and Canada, this doesn't fly at all. But during the summer at 90'F days I know the heater didn't kick in much.
I have a Bullfrog R6 on order. Should be ready for it in the next few weeks. This will be my first spa. I wet tested and did research. These spas clearly have less plumbing than traditional designs and have fewer hull penetrations. Looking forward to my new spa.FL Person
I have an A7, just over a year old. Mechanically its been good, but against my better judgement we got the stereo system. In just over a year and half of owning the A7, I have had all the speakers replaced and 1/2 are broke again. Some are louder than others, one is blown and crackling. I just had the service department here last week to fix one and now 2 others are broke.I plan on contacting Bullfrog directly, this is defect issue. Unless there are others out there experiencing similar issues.