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I was warned by many people through emails that you won't listen to facts. The term google king was used and I understand their frustration. Anyone can claim to be anything online these days and google any term they want. That explains someone who doesn't own a spa or work with them hanging out on a spa forum telling people how to care for them. It's a shame that you are misleading and hurting so many people. I've been helping them privately since they are afraid to speak out against you in the forum. Remember that I was brought here by a customer who followed your bleach advice. You don't listen to facts and you aren't interested in the truth. You do not have one shred of evidence to prove that dichlor is a problem in spas, period. And even if it were, bleach would not be the solution. If you need to believe the sky is red despite the truth that it's blue then keep on believing. I have over 20 years experience in the business and you don't even own a spa. It's absurd. If you don't have an agenda why don't you lead people towards bromine or other alternatives to dichlor? I helped my customer that was harmed by your advice and hopefully a few others here. One email stated that you think you own this forum. You clearly don't like your territory invaded by someone who has more knowledge than you which is understandable. Since I don't have any shortcomings in my life that send me to the internet looking for adoration, I will leave you to your little corner of the world.
One of the reasons I suggest using 50 ppm Borates as an additional pH buffer when the TA is kept low (usually at around 50 ppm) to slow down the rate of pH rise when using hypochlorite sources of chlorine is due to this post on another forum. Below my quote the person wrote the following:QuoteI was warned by many people through emails that you won't listen to facts. The term google king was used and I understand their frustration. Anyone can claim to be anything online these days and google any term they want. That explains someone who doesn't own a spa or work with them hanging out on a spa forum telling people how to care for them. It's a shame that you are misleading and hurting so many people. I've been helping them privately since they are afraid to speak out against you in the forum. Remember that I was brought here by a customer who followed your bleach advice. You don't listen to facts and you aren't interested in the truth. You do not have one shred of evidence to prove that dichlor is a problem in spas, period. And even if it were, bleach would not be the solution. If you need to believe the sky is red despite the truth that it's blue then keep on believing. I have over 20 years experience in the business and you don't even own a spa. It's absurd. If you don't have an agenda why don't you lead people towards bromine or other alternatives to dichlor? I helped my customer that was harmed by your advice and hopefully a few others here. One email stated that you think you own this forum. You clearly don't like your territory invaded by someone who has more knowledge than you which is understandable. Since I don't have any shortcomings in my life that send me to the internet looking for adoration, I will leave you to your little corner of the world.The customer in question did not pay attention to her pH levels and they went too high and caused calcium carbonate scaling in her spa (in her case she had high CH and she may not have lowered TA as instructed but used bleach). I don't want that situation to happen again so people should be cautioned that when they use bleach they need to make sure their pH doesn't rise too quickly and if it does take steps to mitigate that. Lowering the TA reduces carbon dioxide outgassing but it also reduces pH buffering so having a supplemental pH buffer like the borates makes sense. If you know what you are doing, then you don't have to use the borates, but after getting blasted by that dealer, I didn't want to take any chances.Note that this dealer in this post is adamant that bleach (sodium hypochlorite) causes a pH rise in your water (not just upon addition, which it does, but over time even accounting for chlorine acidic usage/consumption, which it doesn't) so by believing that, there's no way one could think about lowering the TA level as a way of mitigating the pH rise -- it's so counter-intuitive. He also states that sodium hypochlorite quickly becomes an inert substance at higher temperatures (not understanding that it's only when not using CYA that the chlorine will outgas faster -- it has nothing to do with the source of chlorine being hypochlorite -- I never said to use bleach alone, but always with CYA in the water most easily added by using Dichlor initially). Any problems are attributed to how the science I describe must be wrong and what the industry writes in Pool & Spa News must be right.
My my pH seems to always be a bit on the high side to begin with... For those that just use dichlor, and don't switch to bleach, I'm assuming the issue there is high cya? And the solution to that is basically dilution? Are folks using dichlor really changing out their water often enough to dilute cya?If one does go with borates, is there a rough guide of how much to add to a 500 gallon tub to get to 50ppm?Thanks