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Full power doesn't mean the full level of pressure/volume available at the pump exhaust. It simply means that the system is designed to deliver the highest volume and pressure with as few obstacles to each seat. It's a more efficient design, no one can argue that point. Do BF sales people push the envelope with how they describe it? Probably, but we seem to have a generally more discerning group here that can look beyond that and appreciate the differences in the BF design.
Quote from: Tman122 on September 20, 2015, 09:13:26 amOK lets talk about credibility. "You get full power at all jet pacs" This is scientifically impossible, it's a sales pitch but a bunch of you have fallin for it, drank the koolaid. If you turn all the power to one jet pac it has the full power of the pump, or as much as the plumbing and friction will allow. The second you turn on another jet pac the first looses power and gives it to the second and so on. The BF I looked at didn't have a pump for each jet pac. That's the only way "full power at all jet pacs" is possible.So those who say "full power at all jet pacs"= no credibility, just koolaid.You need to think a little more logically. Full power doesn't mean the full level of pressure/volume available at the pump exhaust. It simply means that the system is designed to deliver the highest volume and pressure with as few obstacles to each seat. It's a more efficient design, no one can argue that point. Do BF sales people push the envelope with how they describe it? Probably, but we seem to have a generally more discerning group here that can look beyond that and appreciate the differences in the BF design. Playing dumb doesn't help anyone, especially newer folks coming here to seek information. They're looking for an honest discussion with as little noise to signal ration as possible.
OK lets talk about credibility. "You get full power at all jet pacs" This is scientifically impossible, it's a sales pitch but a bunch of you have fallin for it, drank the koolaid. If you turn all the power to one jet pac it has the full power of the pump, or as much as the plumbing and friction will allow. The second you turn on another jet pac the first looses power and gives it to the second and so on. The BF I looked at didn't have a pump for each jet pac. That's the only way "full power at all jet pacs" is possible.So those who say "full power at all jet pacs"= no credibility, just koolaid.
You can do a simple experiment in your own yard. Hook a 100' garden hose to your spigot. Open it all of the way and make note of the pressure coming out the end. Next hook up a 10' garden hose and compare the pressure. *spoiler alert - The 10' garden hose will have significantly more pressure coming out than the longer hose. This is a scientific fact.
Feel the pressure coming out of a jetpak with a 2.5 hp motor with all of the jets turned on. Now compare it to another brand of hot tub with the same motor and number of jets. Guess which one will have more power?Additionally, there are significantly less holes in the shell. That means there are less potential for leaks and that the shell is stronger than it would be if there were holes for every jet. I'm not saying leaking jets are a huge problem, but I've fixed quite a few in my day.
Quote from: av8r on September 20, 2015, 11:20:09 amQuote from: Tman122 on September 20, 2015, 09:13:26 amOK lets talk about credibility. "You get full power at all jet pacs" This is scientifically impossible, it's a sales pitch but a bunch of you have fallin for it, drank the koolaid. If you turn all the power to one jet pac it has the full power of the pump, or as much as the plumbing and friction will allow. The second you turn on another jet pac the first looses power and gives it to the second and so on. The BF I looked at didn't have a pump for each jet pac. That's the only way "full power at all jet pacs" is possible.So those who say "full power at all jet pacs"= no credibility, just koolaid.You need to think a little more logically. Full power doesn't mean the full level of pressure/volume available at the pump exhaust. It simply means that the system is designed to deliver the highest volume and pressure with as few obstacles to each seat. It's a more efficient design, no one can argue that point. Do BF sales people push the envelope with how they describe it? Probably, but we seem to have a generally more discerning group here that can look beyond that and appreciate the differences in the BF design. Playing dumb doesn't help anyone, especially newer folks coming here to seek information. They're looking for an honest discussion with as little noise to signal ration as possible.People come here seeking unbiased information. Not skewed facts.
Semantics. I think everyone knew what I meant.
Quote from: Tman122 on September 20, 2015, 03:00:53 pmQuote from: av8r on September 20, 2015, 11:20:09 amQuote from: Tman122 on September 20, 2015, 09:13:26 amOK lets talk about credibility. "You get full power at all jet pacs" This is scientifically impossible, it's a sales pitch but a bunch of you have fallin for it, drank the koolaid. If you turn all the power to one jet pac it has the full power of the pump, or as much as the plumbing and friction will allow. The second you turn on another jet pac the first looses power and gives it to the second and so on. The BF I looked at didn't have a pump for each jet pac. That's the only way "full power at all jet pacs" is possible.So those who say "full power at all jet pacs"= no credibility, just koolaid.You need to think a little more logically. Full power doesn't mean the full level of pressure/volume available at the pump exhaust. It simply means that the system is designed to deliver the highest volume and pressure with as few obstacles to each seat. It's a more efficient design, no one can argue that point. Do BF sales people push the envelope with how they describe it? Probably, but we seem to have a generally more discerning group here that can look beyond that and appreciate the differences in the BF design. Playing dumb doesn't help anyone, especially newer folks coming here to seek information. They're looking for an honest discussion with as little noise to signal ration as possible.People come here seeking unbiased information. Not skewed facts.If that's true, I can extrapolate that those people have never been on an internet forum before.
Quote from: av8r on September 20, 2015, 11:20:09 amQuote from: Tman122 on September 20, 2015, 09:13:26 amOK lets talk about credibility. "You get full power at all jet pacs" This is scientifically impossible, it's a sales pitch but a bunch of you have fallin for it, drank the koolaid. If you turn all the power to one jet pac it has the full power of the pump, or as much as the plumbing and friction will allow. The second you turn on another jet pac the first looses power and gives it to the second and so on. The BF I looked at didn't have a pump for each jet pac. That's the only way "full power at all jet pacs" is possible.So those who say "full power at all jet pacs"= no credibility, just koolaid.You need to think a little more logically. Full power doesn't mean the full level of pressure/volume available at the pump exhaust. It simply means that the system is designed to deliver the highest volume and pressure with as few obstacles to each seat. It's a more efficient design, no one can argue that point. Do BF sales people push the envelope with how they describe it? Probably, but we seem to have a generally more discerning group here that can look beyond that and appreciate the differences in the BF design. Playing dumb doesn't help anyone, especially newer folks coming here to seek information. They're looking for an honest discussion with as little noise to signal ration as possible.People come here seeking unbiased information. Not skewed facts.And Jim, what if you put a pump with better flow in an engineered plumbing system with manifolds diverted right, that has actually more pressure and a better feel than one with less plumbing and jet pacs?Jeez guys, no one has said that it was crappy, or not different. I am simply saying it IS NOT better no matter what the BF salesman or relatively new owners hangin here say. You choose between 15 different feels with BF. If the top 5 manufacturers make 8-10 different models (with different feels) that gives you about 45 different feels. The odds are good that a few of those might be better a little, or lots better than anyone of the 15 different space pacs offer by BF. One of those 60 different feels should be right for almost everyone. Don't buy one because someone called it technology.
I didn't say BF was better, I said that all the seats in a BF can enjoy full power if they want without being forced to divert power away to another seat. To me that was a significant and worthwhile advantage, to others it might not be. And I'm not sure why Tmann and others get so wrapped around the axle about the term "full power". I find it interesting that every time I try to explain this simple concept detractors start crying foul with irrelevant arguments about semantics, but none of them will ever refute the plain fact that BF does not force you to divert flow from one seat in order to get more flow at another with diverters.
Quote from: dporter22 on September 21, 2015, 01:34:25 amI didn't say BF was better, I said that all the seats in a BF can enjoy full power if they want without being forced to divert power away to another seat. To me that was a significant and worthwhile advantage, to others it might not be. And I'm not sure why Tmann and others get so wrapped around the axle about the term "full power". I find it interesting that every time I try to explain this simple concept detractors start crying foul with irrelevant arguments about semantics, but none of them will ever refute the plain fact that BF does not force you to divert flow from one seat in order to get more flow at another with diverters.OK folks, just so you know and in the spirit of the thread the above is completely not true and impossible.This is better. With a BF spa you have to turn down the power if you decide to use just one jet pac because it hurts your skin.