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Well OK lets break this down, but first. I didn't call anyone a liar. Maybe to much koolaid but not a liar. And I'm sorry you had bad wet testing experiences especially with all the new jet designs both waterway and aquaquip are designing and selling that the other guys use.Now, you take one pump or even two pumps and you turn it/them on "full power" and divert, yes I said divert it to one jet pac, full power at the jet pac right? We can both agree yes here. Now open another jet pac's diverter, are you getting full power on both? If you say yes lay off the koolaid dude. It's about GPM (gallons per minute) that exit the jet. If a pump has a fixed outflow, which they do. Then the more holes you push the GPM to the less each hole gets. Pretty simple even for this dumb plumber.This should clarify both your and MY understanding. And with 30 years of plumbing experience I'm not sure your qualified to question my understanding of fluid mechanics or any one of it's subsets to include hydrodynamics and fluid dynamics.Listen dporter22, I know you are happy with your tub. This is not about that. It is about false claims by a manufacturer used to sell tubs and the truth from a 100% unbiased and reasonably knowledgeable source. I wish I knew as much about plumbing as cemgeek knows about chemicals. My problem is I forgot more about plumbing that most people know.You can get full power at every jet pac. Not at the same time. You just have to "divert" it to the jet pac you choose. It's nothing more than a simple play on words. All manufacturers do it. Relax, I beat up every claim of superiority. Ask the Arctic guys.....LOL
Now, you take one pump or even two pumps and you turn it/them on "full power" and divert, yes I said divert it to one jet pac, full power at the jet pac right? We can both agree yes here. Now open another jet pac's diverter, are you getting full power on both? If you say yes lay off the koolaid dude. It's about GPM (gallons per minute) that exit the jet. If a pump has a fixed outflow, which they do. Then the more holes you push the GPM to the less each hole gets. Pretty simple even for this dumb plumber.
Arguing about plumbing and whether something is "technology" is silly and fruitless. Wet test the tubs and pick the one that feels the best. Who cares how the manufacturer accomplishes that? That being said, if you take a salesperson at their word and don't validate what they say, you're crazy. No offense Eric.
People need to learn to look past marketing and sales hype.
Quote from: Tman122 on September 18, 2015, 06:42:32 amBut all tubs have different height seats so the jets hit you in different spots.Are you really this obtuse or are you just screwing with us?OK, let's pick the Hot Spring Moto Massage... since people tend to rave about it. What do you do when the moto massage is in the deep seat and you're 5' tall? Or they put it in the shallow seat and you're 6'5"? Or the lounge, but you float out of it? But you really want a moto massage?It's all about having options! Bullfrogs are the perfect tub for people who don't deal well with commitment
But all tubs have different height seats so the jets hit you in different spots.
I think everyone in here needs a Hot Tub to calm down and relax a bit :-)TMan - nobody at Bullfrog is trying to "deceive" or mis market anything...the company itself is still a relatively small "mom and pop" shop out of UTAH just trying to earn a name for themselves in the industry, most of the top end employees were 20+ year guys at Sundance that made the switch when Jacuzzi/Sundance moved to Mexico...everyone running the company is very passionate about selling a good spa and by no means are they using or attempting to use any "deceptive" marketing. They have a nice niche and it is sold as such, just like Hot Springs has the ACE/MOTO/No-Bypass, Marquis has "hot zone" and MicroSilk, Jacuzzi has their air to water pitch, along with clearray, etc. etc.There are plenty of killer Hot Tubs on the market, at the end of the day like Gizmodo said people will ultimately narrow down a list and buy from who they like/trust the most so all of these arguments over microscopic technical details don't do anyone who is viewing this thread any good at the end of the day, so can we just "hug it out" and move on :-)
Quote from: BullFrogSpasMN on September 24, 2015, 01:37:06 pmI think everyone in here needs a Hot Tub to calm down and relax a bit :-)TMan - nobody at Bullfrog is trying to "deceive" or mis market anything...the company itself is still a relatively small "mom and pop" shop out of UTAH just trying to earn a name for themselves in the industry, most of the top end employees were 20+ year guys at Sundance that made the switch when Jacuzzi/Sundance moved to Mexico...everyone running the company is very passionate about selling a good spa and by no means are they using or attempting to use any "deceptive" marketing. They have a nice niche and it is sold as such, just like Hot Springs has the ACE/MOTO/No-Bypass, Marquis has "hot zone" and MicroSilk, Jacuzzi has their air to water pitch, along with clearray, etc. etc.There are plenty of killer Hot Tubs on the market, at the end of the day like Gizmodo said people will ultimately narrow down a list and buy from who they like/trust the most so all of these arguments over microscopic technical details don't do anyone who is viewing this thread any good at the end of the day, so can we just "hug it out" and move on :-)I was at your store, and you didn't even know it. Just doing what I always do, checking out the stuff. Thanks for taking the equipment panel off for me.I don't ever want to hear "full power at all jet pacs" again.
Quote from: Tman122 on September 24, 2015, 05:12:48 pmQuote from: BullFrogSpasMN on September 24, 2015, 01:37:06 pmI think everyone in here needs a Hot Tub to calm down and relax a bit :-)TMan - nobody at Bullfrog is trying to "deceive" or mis market anything...the company itself is still a relatively small "mom and pop" shop out of UTAH just trying to earn a name for themselves in the industry, most of the top end employees were 20+ year guys at Sundance that made the switch when Jacuzzi/Sundance moved to Mexico...everyone running the company is very passionate about selling a good spa and by no means are they using or attempting to use any "deceptive" marketing. They have a nice niche and it is sold as such, just like Hot Springs has the ACE/MOTO/No-Bypass, Marquis has "hot zone" and MicroSilk, Jacuzzi has their air to water pitch, along with clearray, etc. etc.There are plenty of killer Hot Tubs on the market, at the end of the day like Gizmodo said people will ultimately narrow down a list and buy from who they like/trust the most so all of these arguments over microscopic technical details don't do anyone who is viewing this thread any good at the end of the day, so can we just "hug it out" and move on :-)I was at your store, and you didn't even know it. Just doing what I always do, checking out the stuff. Thanks for taking the equipment panel off for me.I don't ever want to hear "full power at all jet pacs" again.Wonderful to hear, no need to sneak around though, next time introduce yourself and I'll be sure and show you "under the hood" of any spa you'd like to take a look at.