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Man I feel you. We are in love with a Vanguard but the Ace system scares the crap out of me. I think that we will be replacing salt cells every 1 to 1.5 years at $700 a pop but the long term effects on the other components is really what bothers me. I guess we could always switch to a different system before the end of the 5 year warranty if there were any serious signs of corrosion. What all was included in the Vanguard price you listed?
So if I am reading between the lines correctly, you are confirming that ACE DOES corrode the parts? And can you point me to statistics to support your claims?
Quote from: Sooner Wing on May 15, 2015, 11:06:19 amMan I feel you. We are in love with a Vanguard but the Ace system scares the crap out of me. I think that we will be replacing salt cells every 1 to 1.5 years at $700 a pop but the long term effects on the other components is really what bothers me. I guess we could always switch to a different system before the end of the 5 year warranty if there were any serious signs of corrosion. What all was included in the Vanguard price you listed?If you think the ACE is anymore scary then general water care/maintenance, then here's a fun fact for youIn the 5/6 years I have been selling ACE/ACE has been around, I have seen more people (most of them on std. chlorine or bromine) "corrode" or cause significant damage to their hot tub by simply mismanaging their pH and Calcium levels...faaaaar more than any corrosion or damage caused by an ACE Saltwater system and its not even close
Quote from: TwinCitiesHotSpring on May 15, 2015, 11:18:08 amQuote from: Sooner Wing on May 15, 2015, 11:06:19 amMan I feel you. We are in love with a Vanguard but the Ace system scares the crap out of me. I think that we will be replacing salt cells every 1 to 1.5 years at $700 a pop but the long term effects on the other components is really what bothers me. I guess we could always switch to a different system before the end of the 5 year warranty if there were any serious signs of corrosion. What all was included in the Vanguard price you listed?If you think the ACE is anymore scary then general water care/maintenance, then here's a fun fact for youIn the 5/6 years I have been selling ACE/ACE has been around, I have seen more people (most of them on std. chlorine or bromine) "corrode" or cause significant damage to their hot tub by simply mismanaging their pH and Calcium levels...faaaaar more than any corrosion or damage caused by an ACE Saltwater system and its not even close I think ace probably works fine. I know they have had some issues but if the consumer is taught on how to use it or any system properly there should really be no issues other than general wear and tear that occurs with parts. You mention you have seen more people have significant problems using chlorine or bromine? For me that is far from the truth. Having dealt with spas for only 17 years I maybe seen half a dozen in that time with issues from bad chem use. Heater, shaft seals or a rusty pressure switch which could be chem related but then again possibly not. Again most of them were either not educated or just got lazy and let the spa go. In the latter case, it doesn't matter what spa you have or what system they have been using lazy is lazy. Pick what you like, if it's the ace system fine, if not than that's fine as well I am sure you would be happy with what ever you get.
Quote from: Jacuzzi Jim on May 15, 2015, 01:45:43 pmQuote from: TwinCitiesHotSpring on May 15, 2015, 11:18:08 amQuote from: Sooner Wing on May 15, 2015, 11:06:19 amMan I feel you. We are in love with a Vanguard but the Ace system scares the crap out of me. I think that we will be replacing salt cells every 1 to 1.5 years at $700 a pop but the long term effects on the other components is really what bothers me. I guess we could always switch to a different system before the end of the 5 year warranty if there were any serious signs of corrosion. What all was included in the Vanguard price you listed?If you think the ACE is anymore scary then general water care/maintenance, then here's a fun fact for youIn the 5/6 years I have been selling ACE/ACE has been around, I have seen more people (most of them on std. chlorine or bromine) "corrode" or cause significant damage to their hot tub by simply mismanaging their pH and Calcium levels...faaaaar more than any corrosion or damage caused by an ACE Saltwater system and its not even close I think ace probably works fine. I know they have had some issues but if the consumer is taught on how to use it or any system properly there should really be no issues other than general wear and tear that occurs with parts. You mention you have seen more people have significant problems using chlorine or bromine? For me that is far from the truth. Having dealt with spas for only 17 years I maybe seen half a dozen in that time with issues from bad chem use. Heater, shaft seals or a rusty pressure switch which could be chem related but then again possibly not. Again most of them were either not educated or just got lazy and let the spa go. In the latter case, it doesn't matter what spa you have or what system they have been using lazy is lazy. Pick what you like, if it's the ace system fine, if not than that's fine as well I am sure you would be happy with what ever you get. oh I agree Jim, I was simply trying to make the point that there is no reason to be "scared" of ACE more than any other water care system that is available....ACE, Chlorine, MPS/Ozone/Clear-ray, Baqua Spa, Bromine...They ALL require maintenance and the water being balanced, and if that maintenance/balance is not done properly they can ALL damage your spa, none should be "scarier" than the next.
It is so difficult because all dealers will tell you their tubs are the best and give you lots of reasons why. They all seem logical so how do you choose?I have been reading for days and don't feel I am any closer to picking a tub. This is a large purchase and I don't want to be looking back.Thanks in advance for all the feedback.