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spark1999

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plug and play, but "dedicated outlet"?
« on: March 27, 2011, 03:21:01 pm »
I've been looking at a bunch of "plug and play" 110 volt hot tubs (I'm renting and I don't want to rewire the house). Some say they need a "dedicated outlet", but some don't.

Is this a safety issue? Is it optional? The house has one outside outlet, period. It's possible there's nothing on that circuit but I'm not sure how to check.

If there's something on that circuit can I just turn it off and call it a dedicated outlet?

I'm also assuming that if I can put up with a 110 volt rather than 220 volt hot tub (won't stay as hot when the lid is off, won't be warm enough when it's really cold, will take longer to warm up after water changes, uses airjets not water jets) that the hit to my electric bill will be lower. Is that true?

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plug and play, but "dedicated outlet"?
« on: March 27, 2011, 03:21:01 pm »

hottubdan

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Re: plug and play, but "dedicated outlet"?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2011, 09:21:25 pm »
All depends on what you are looking at and where you live; ambient temperature, etc.

I can't imagine any hot tub worth getting needing at least a 15 amp dedicated circuit.  A test we used to do is plug in a 15 KW hair drier to the outside plug.  Turn it on and turn on other devices.  If you trip the breaker, you know you have overloaded it.  Then you can make an educated guess whether you can make it work.  An example of what will not work would be if the fridge was on the same circuit as the out door plug/
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Re: plug and play, but "dedicated outlet"?
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2011, 09:50:32 am »
In order for a tub to run on 15 amps it has to be limited to 1000 watts of heating power and a 1 HP pump motor or less. Some of our smallest tubs can plug into a 15 amp outlet, and by virtue of their small size they work well. Yes, the limitations you mentioned are true: longer heat-up after water changes, may not stay hot as long with the cover off in very cold climates, no heat when the jets are on (or at least on 'high'), and so forth. I don't know about the bubbler jets since only Caldera tubs have blowers out of all the tubs made by Watkins MFG, and they don't offer a tub which runs on 15a.

Do what Dan suggested - and I add this twist:
To the outlet in question, plug in a blow drier and turn it on high. See if that alone trips the breaker. If not - Go to the panel and begin switching off breakers (good idea to shut down your computer first) and wait until the thing goes silent. Note which breaker it is on, (turn all the other ones back on so only that breaker is off). It really should be a 20a breaker - yes, this may sound confusing, but long term a tub should run on a 20a breaker (it will have larger wire in the walls) even though the outlet may be a 15a rated device.

15a outlet



Now go around and try all the other breakers in your place - start with the bathrooms first! Many houses are wired with one GFI outlet unit in one bathroom which is then daisy-chained to other bathrooms and the outdoor outlet. It saves the builder money, but it is a big surprise when the tub is on the patio and somebody trips the breaker by turning on a blow drier in the far bathroom.

Having said all that - if you find the patio outlet is on a 15a breaker (especially if it shares that breaker with overhead lighting) you may have some problems. Don't give up though - I have had many customers find an outlet in a bedroom or dining room near the patio which is on a 20a circuit. If you are real lucky, that could be tapped for your tub. An electrician can put a small hole through the back of the box inside, a small hole in the wall outside, pass wire through and mount an outlet on the patio which will handle the load. This is far less expensive than you might think, and most landlords will not mind even if you move away and leave a regular (properly installed) outlet where there wasn't one before. It is cheaper/easier to mount it on the surface, but flush mounting it is really not that much harder at this point. If the patio is fully protected from rain, it could look just like any other outlet in the place -



But you may need to add a rain cover - our tubs come with this, but you can get one at a home center:



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Re: plug and play, but "dedicated outlet"?
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