Thanks for the comments, I will give Leisure Bay and Gulf coast a miss, what about QCA. I hear what you say about picking from the list of Quality Brands but as I mentioned around here I have only found HS/Watkins or Sundance so choice is a little limited so far (so limited I am tempted to start a dealership). I am not as keen on the shiny finish to HS tubs. Although the Limelight seems to offer most of what I want for not too ridiculous a price. I am going to go back and see the Sundance dealer again as it was just an initial look the first time I went.