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Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: apple on January 21, 2007, 10:53:46 am
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I wet tested the Epic last night and it was awesome. Everyone found a place or two that they loved, although my girls discovered that the bottoms of their feet are very ticklish. HeHe. Anyway, the dealer wants $9500 for the '06 including steps, the cover, a cover lifter, and a year supply of chems for the Spa Frog. It seems like good price to me and I think I am going to go for it, but I wanted a little feedback before I make my final decision.
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Yes...Go for it! You won't be sorry! ;)
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the Epic is an amazing tub. That is a really good price too. The store I work for sells it for more.
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I genuinely believe the Epic is as good a therapy spa as any on the market; it has several unique features that you will not find on any other spa most notably the therapy pillar. Your price is very fair.
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Sorry, Apple, I am a bit lazy today...I just copied my thoughts on the Epic from an older post:
I have an Epic, and I will say it is a totally awesome tub. When you wet test, spend some time getting to know the diverters and the trizone therapy..The better you know the tub...the more you can enjoy it. I was lucky to find a salesperson who had an Epic and knew it very well. The lounge is great because it incorporates thigh, calf and foot therapy. I love the deep therapy seat to the left of the waterfall. It has great foot therapy but also, as Mendo pointed out, it has the Hk 40's that do wonderful things for your back and shoulders! There are neck jets on three of the seats. Some people like them, others think they are splashy...the water level in the tub will determine how splashy they are, but I like the ones in the deep therapy seat. My husband loves the pillar between the left cool down seat and my deep therapy seat..it is very powerful and with the air full open can give you one heck of a massage...(a bit too strong for me).
The Epic has the option of air injection and that makes for a much more intense massage.
The Epic also has two cool down seats which are perfect for smaller guests (kids) or for when you need to raise your heart above the hot water. The footwell is roomy and I guess at this point I sound like a sales person...but you asked for an opinion.
Oh and as far as quality...I don't know anything about the Best Buy rating, but I can tell you it has an excellent (transferable) warranty and so far my dealer service has been outstanding.
Good luck
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I guess Bonibelle pretty much covered it! ;)
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Just curious? Is there a sound system included with this deal? :-? I'm wet testing the same spa next weekend. :) Sounds like a pretty good deal.
Bluesman 8-)
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I would really be surprised if that included the Soundsations. It is also an '06...do you know if your looking at an '07 price?
Bluesman, I just can't wait for you to wet test the Epic. :D Do you know if they have the 641R Limited filled? I would just love to hear a comparison of the two tubs. And be sure to have them turn up the music...you're gonna love it! ;)
Mendo, Markee, Stuart, what do you guys think about the 641R?
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The 641R is a nice tub, we have sold a lot of them. You'll find that the Epic is a little more therapeutical and has more features/warranty, but for someone who wants to spend 6-7.5k the 641R gives you a lot of bang for your buck.
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It is an '06 and there is no sound system. The salesman told me I was getting a $2K discount because he is trying to get rid of the last of his "06s. I am going to put the spa in my sunroom, but it is not built yet and my contractor is telling me 3-5 months after the ground thaws. Anyhow, they will deliver and install it now and than move it when the room is ready. I've never soaked in the cold, but I'm willing to give it a shot. I could sure use a massage after all of the shoveling I have done lately!
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Still sounds like a good deal. I would go for it. Good Luck :)
Bluesman 8-)
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I also like the Epic, but am turned off by the lack of continuous flow. I am curious if users find the water either dirty or full of chemicals because it only cleans twice a day.
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I guess that you mean continuous flow as in circ pump.
Maybe the Marquis sales folks will clarify (no pun intended) but I have found the high flow filtration excellent. The volume of water is probably more with high flow filtration (per period of time). And you have the capability to adjust those clean cycles. Marquis also has a smart clean feature that triggers a clean cycle after you soak to assure bromine levels and remove contaminants. Once you have some sort of patten for usage, it is a matter of adjusting your Bromine levels and shocking frequency....
This summer, since we weren't soaking as much, I ran my tub in Economy mode with 2- 1 hour clean cycles...which isn't much...and my tub stayed perfect the whole time. ;) So, I would say there is no issue with the high flow filtration opposed to continuous flow circ pump (other than one more pump to replace :().
Good luck and hopefully Markee or Mendo will chime in.
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We sell the Epic for quite a bit more than that....We had a few 2006's that we sold for around $9800 but for the most part they are never under 10k
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Rocky: You must have been misled about the Marquis filtration system. Marquis used to use a 24/7 circulation pump but got away from it because we found a more efficient system that filtered more water and put less wear and tear on the equipment. Here are the facts:
A typical circulation pump filters approximately 5 gallons per minute:
5 gallons per minute x 60 minutes in an hour x 24 hours in a day = 7,200 gallons of water filtered a day.
The Marquis system uses a 160 gallon per minute jet pump on low speed that filters at a rate of 80 gallons per minute. The standard filtration settings filter the water a total of 4 hours out of each 24 hour day. On top of that, if you use the spa, the spa has a system called SmartClean that automatically triggers a clean-up cycle for an hour after use. So on the standard filtration, you have 5 hours of filtering a day (and this can be turned up or down if you would like):
80 gallons per minute x 60 minutes in an hour x 5 hours (factory settings) = 24,000 gallons filtered a day.
As you can see, the Marquis system filters a lot more than a typical circulation pump system. One other advantage to using jet pumps rather than a circ. pump is skimming the water. When the jet pump comes on for filtration in the Marquis, you will see water movement in all 4 corners of the spa, with a circulation pump you will see ripples in the corner where the filters are, so if there is hair or other debris on the surface at the far end of the spa, it will not be pulled out.
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Rocky: You must have been misled about the Marquis filtration system. Marquis used to use a 24/7 circulation pump but got away from it because we found a more efficient system that filtered more water and put less wear and tear on the equipment. Here are the facts:
A typical circulation pump filters approximately 5 gallons per minute:
5 gallons per minute x 60 minutes in an hour x 24 hours in a day = 7,200 gallons of water filtered a day.
The Marquis system uses a 160 gallon per minute jet pump on low speed that filters at a rate of 80 gallons per minute. The standard filtration settings filter the water a total of 4 hours out of each 24 hour day. On top of that, if you use the spa, the spa has a system called SmartClean that automatically triggers a clean-up cycle for an hour after use. So on the standard filtration, you have 5 hours of filtering a day (and this can be turned up or down if you would like):
80 gallons per minute x 60 minutes in an hour x 5 hours (factory settings) = 24,000 gallons filtered a day.
As you can see, the Marquis system filters a lot more than a typical circulation pump system. One other advantage to using jet pumps rather than a circ. pump is skimming the water. When the jet pump comes on for filtration in the Marquis, you will see water movement in all 4 corners of the spa, with a circulation pump you will see ripples in the corner where the filters are, so if there is hair or other debris on the surface at the far end of the spa, it will not be pulled out.
MarKee,
Very nice detail on the filtration ;) How often would you recommend cleaning the filters assuming fairly regular use of the spa? How much do you think it would cost on average, once again assuming fairly regular use, per month or year to maintain (cartridges, chemicals, etc...)the Epic. Bonibelle, I know you have experience on this as well.
Bluesman 8-)
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Bluesman, The Epic will remind you every 30 days to change your filter cartridges. I believe you will be given an extra set of filters to switch out so you can always have a clean set ready to install.
As far as chemicals, the bromine cartridges last about 4 or 5 weeks (green) and the tub will remind you to check your sanitizer also.
I think that the life of the cartridge really depends on how often you use your tub. I honestly can't tell you how much I have spent in other chemicals as I am still using some of the ones provided by my dealer...13 months ago. I think I have purchased a large bottle of shock, filter cleaner, alkalinity increase and some hardness increaser.
I can't really give you an accurate estimated cost because the balancing chemicals will be dependent on your own water. You can figure a cartridge per month (about $13.00), shock and some adjusting chems...(but we are talking tablespoons not pounds). Every water change, or every 4 months, you will need a new mineral cartridge (I think about $26.00)...I guess I haven't given much thought to the actual monthly cost of chemicals...in the big picture it is really minimal. ;)
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My new Epic will be deivered on Monday!!! I live in Denver so now I have to do alot of serious shoveling so theycan get it in my backyard. Thanks for all the info. I am sooo excited.
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Nice review Bonibelle!
I wish we had a thread where everyone wrote a review on their own tub.
Sorry, Apple, I am a bit lazy today...I just copied my thoughts on the Epic from an older post:
I have an Epic, and I will say it is a totally awesome tub. When you wet test, spend some time getting to know the diverters and the trizone therapy..The better you know the tub...the more you can enjoy it. I was lucky to find a salesperson who had an Epic and knew it very well. The lounge is great because it incorporates thigh, calf and foot therapy. I love the deep therapy seat to the left of the waterfall. It has great foot therapy but also, as Mendo pointed out, it has the Hk 40's that do wonderful things for your back and shoulders! There are neck jets on three of the seats. Some people like them, others think they are splashy...the water level in the tub will determine how splashy they are, but I like the ones in the deep therapy seat. My husband loves the pillar between the left cool down seat and my deep therapy seat..it is very powerful and with the air full open can give you one heck of a massage...(a bit too strong for me).
The Epic has the option of air injection and that makes for a much more intense massage.
The Epic also has two cool down seats which are perfect for smaller guests (kids) or for when you need to raise your heart above the hot water. The footwell is roomy and I guess at this point I sound like a sales person...but you asked for an opinion.
Oh and as far as quality...I don't know anything about the Best Buy rating, but I can tell you it has an excellent (transferable) warranty and so far my dealer service has been outstanding.
Good luck
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Rocky: You must have been misled about the Marquis filtration system. Marquis used to use a 24/7 circulation pump but got away from it because we found a more efficient system that filtered more water and put less wear and tear on the equipment. Here are the facts:
A typical circulation pump filters approximately 5 gallons per minute:
5 gallons per minute x 60 minutes in an hour x 24 hours in a day = 7,200 gallons of water filtered a day.
The Marquis system uses a 160 gallon per minute jet pump on low speed that filters at a rate of 80 gallons per minute. The standard filtration settings filter the water a total of 4 hours out of each 24 hour day. On top of that, if you use the spa, the spa has a system called SmartClean that automatically triggers a clean-up cycle for an hour after use. So on the standard filtration, you have 5 hours of filtering a day (and this can be turned up or down if you would like):
80 gallons per minute x 60 minutes in an hour x 5 hours (factory settings) = 24,000 gallons filtered a day.
As you can see, the Marquis system filters a lot more than a typical circulation pump system. One other advantage to using jet pumps rather than a circ. pump is skimming the water. When the jet pump comes on for filtration in the Marquis, you will see water movement in all 4 corners of the spa, with a circulation pump you will see ripples in the corner where the filters are, so if there is hair or other debris on the surface at the far end of the spa, it will not be pulled out.
Very nice comparison Markee. What is the difference in electrical consumption (kWh) for the two scenerios?
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Very nice comparison Markee. What is the difference in electrical consumption (kWh) for the two scenerios?
Think about it for a minuet...A circ pump uses about .98 amps and runs 24 hours per day.
The main jet pump on the Epic uses about 1.2 amps and runs 5 hours a day. Less than an amp differance to move more water in less than a 4th of the time using one less system and less plumbing.
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Sounds like using the main pumps is an all around better solution.
Think about it for a minuet...A circ pump uses about .98 amps and runs 24 hours per day.
The main jet pump on the Epic uses about 1.2 amps and runs 5 hours a day. Less than an amp differance to move more water in less than a 4th of the time using one less system and less plumbing.
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Sounds like using the main pumps is an all around better solution.
You will find those who like the circ pump and have their reasons as to why, quietness as one. From speaking with friends in the industry who have both on their floor most have told me the higher turn over of water seems to be easier to care for, some like the circ pump for its 24 hour ozone, I myself do not like it for that very reason.
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put less wear and tear on the equipment.
Like Mendo said you will find proponets for both as we all know. The only thing I disagree with is the above statement. Please correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't running the main pumps that much and constantly turning them on/off cause them to wear faster than a tub that has a circ as well.
Thanks
Btw, I think you get the best of both world's with tubs like the Jacuzzi's who have a 24/7 circ and programmable cycles. Using your calculations (thanks) My circ filters apr. 7,200 gallons and my two hrs of programmed cycles, that use one of my pumps on low speed, filters apr. 10,000 gallons(not sure what the gpm is with my pump on low speed.) For a total estimate of 17,000 gallons a day and let's not forget that the water is constantly moving with no time for it to become stagnent. From my own 3 month experience with my tub I have been treated with nothing but crystal clear water everyday and I would have to think that having both has played a pivital role. :D
Also in some Jacuzzi tubs you have the option, I believe, to run the cycles for up to 4 hours. They also have a circ. So with you calculations (thanks again), that would be close to 27,000 gallons a day. Again having a circ along with the capability of programmable cycles seems to me, the best way to go. :)
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I guess that is why the manufacturers don't agree on one method...
I just know that when I was looking it was suggested to me that I needed a circ pump..so I did some research and realized that I didn't.
To confirm that, I am saying from experience, the cleaning cycles and the high flow filtration do an excellent job on my Epic.
So don't let the absence or presence of a circ pump be a determining factor for your purchase. ;)
Congrats, Apple....get diggin' ! :oIt will be well worth your effort ;)
Let us know when it is up and running!
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I wouldn't choose based on this alone.
Both systems work well.
I like the HS version better because it puts ozone into the water all the time, and it does so using only around 85 watts. The jet pump on low speed is a larger draw - or it is on some models. On others it is about the same - depends on which maker you are looking at.
I also like the fact that the HS is virtually silent. This may not be a factor for everyone, buy here by the beach I have a lot of customers who put the tub up on the top floor deck. The spa may be sitting right up over the master bedroom, and they don't want to have to hear the thing kick on at two am, or randomly as it heats. The small circ pump has been doin' the job for thirty years for HS.
As to skimming action - yes the larger pumps move more water. How valuable that skimming action is could be debated. These spas are all designed to sit covered at all times when not in use. So skimming is not needed except during or right after use. I like the Marquis system that runs the jet pumps for an hour after use - but I sure wouldn't want my spa to run for an hour after every use. What about when I climb out of the tub and head right to bed? If it is near my bedroom I don't want to have to listen to it run while I'm trying to get to sleep. My HS has a manual system - I just push the button. With the no-bypass filtration it only takes ten minutes to do the same job. And I only hit the button when it is needed. If I just ran the jets for awhile as I was in the tub, no further filtration is needed and I might as well save the power and noise.
As I said, both systems work, and both offer 'advantages' or at the very least differences. If silent operation is important, go with the HS. If you really feel you need to move lots of water go for a tub with a larger circ pump or jet/circ combination. But by far I would say that comfort, performance and style are more important than this one feature.
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Chas, as you say, each system has unique merits. Marquis' theory is that it is critical to remove user contamination as soon as possible after use. That made sense to me.
My tub is about 4 feet from my back door and my bedroom is right above that...I can hear the kitchen TV (on the first floor) with no problem, but my tub is very quiet and I know I have never been bothered by it cycling on or filtering after use. I actually try to hear it cycle on when it performs the clean after use cycle...I am usually in bed at that time and I want to be sure it is filtering, as I think that is a critical function.
So, not trying to start something crazy in this thread, I will just say, I love my tub...in every aspect and the way it cleans my water makes perfect sense to me... ;) ;)
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I would like to see some kind of independent testing(i.e. Consumer Reports...) in this industry. It would qualify and quantify the perforformance of spas. Assuming one has confidence in the results, it would enable one to make an educated choice. Some things(i.e. filtraion) are more important to some whereas performance or style to others. We all ultimately want to get the most bang for our buck. :)
Bluesman 8-)
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Bluesman, Along with other members (or former members) of this forum, I have written to Consumer Reports to request that they do some sort of evaluation...if not of brands, of different elements that you will find abundant arguments about on this forum (Full Foam..fiberglass backing of shells, circ pump etc). I can imagine that there is not a large enough market to warrant the time from Consumer Reports. Or maybe, these issues don't really differentiate the tubs as much as personal preference. As you know...no one can really tell you how comfortable you will feel and fit..that is a personal thing.
This forum is your best resource. You are hearing from dealers who know their products, sales people who know what the customer is looking for and consumers who will tell you both the good and the bad....and mix it up with a bit of fun and personality! so the best advice it so know the right questions to ask...
Hang out here and by the time you buy your tub, you will be qualified as a Hot tub salesman! ;)
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Agreed Bonibelle. This forum has definitely been my best resource. :)
Bluesman 8-)
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Now here’s a great example of how there can be to completely different feelings about the same subject. Chas and I while both acknowledging that both systems work have totally opposite views on 24 hours of ozone. I think it is over kill and has adverse effect on pillows and covers BUT most importantly my wife hates the smell of ozone... ;)
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Interesting about the ozone. I have assumed that continuous release of ozone (other than when in use) kills more bad stuff than just four hours per day. Wouldn't that fact, if true, be critical in choosing a tub?
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Rocky
....The augment can be made that in those 4 hours since you are filtering so many more gallons of water you are doing a much more though job of cleaning your water, breaking the surface of the water, tell me would you perfer to drink from a fast moving stream where sendiments do not build up as in a pool of water that has no visable movement. But again BOTH work and reality is both offer advantages over each. I myself do not believe that 24 hours of ozone is the best benefit of the circ pump but this is just my opinion.
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apple: Congratulations on the spa. You're going to love it. If you're in Denver you probably got it from the Spa Brokers. They are one of Marquis best dealers and have carried the line for over 20 years. You should have a wonderful experience with them. Let us know when you get it installed!
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Think about it for a minuet...A circ pump uses about .98 amps and runs 24 hours per day.
The main jet pump on the Epic uses about 1.2 amps and runs 5 hours a day. Less than an amp differance to move more water in less than a 4th of the time using one less system and less plumbing.
OK, I guess I'm a little slow. I'm trying to figure out the difference in electrical costs between a 24hr circ pump system versus a timed filtration system.
According to what I've read, a HS circ pump draws 85 watts/hr, which equates to about 61 kWh per month (85w*24hrs*30days=61,200 watts). This comes to about $9.00 per month if you live in my area @ .15/kWh.
Are you saying the main pump only draws 1.2 amps? If so, that only equates to 264 watts/hr which would cost less to operate. If my math is correct, the total would be around $6/month (1.2A*220V*150hrs=39.6 kWh *.15 = $5.94).
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Filtration these days is nothing more than a marketing tool and I can see by some of these responses it has worked.
How did we keep spas clean 20-30 years ago (and yes they were clean and sanitized). We did not have ozone, we did not have 2,3,4... filters ,75,100,125... SQ FT filters... I am not saying all this stuff bad it is just over hyped.
I can keep a 500 gallons spa clean with a little ole 25SQ FT filter with a bypass in the system.
The reasons some people will have nasty water is the same today as it always was, it is the users fault.
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Filtration these days is nothing more than a marketing tool and I can see by some of these responses it has worked.
How did we keep spas clean 20-30 years ago (and yes they were clean and sanitized). We did not have ozone, we did not have 2,3,4... filters ,75,100,125... SQ FT filters... I am not saying all this stuff bad it is just over hyped.
I can keep a 500 gallons spa clean with a little ole 25SQ FT filter with a bypass in the system.
The reasons some people will have nasty water is the same today as it always was, it is the users fault.
Filtration in itself is not marketing though I do agree that there are differing ways to achieve filtration and water cleanliness. 20 years ago, tubs ran 24 hours a day with the jet pump running on low speed continuously. Not economical but it worked.
The issue here is that [glow]not all circ pumps are created equal in energy consumption nor quality of filtration.[/glow] There's still companies that utilize the small "fish pump" type of unit that offers little benefit to the end user IMO. It draws very little power but provides very little benefit with its lack of water movement.
The best circ pumps IMO are the 48 frame pumps that draw .6 amps, filter 40,000+ gallons per day and are deadly quiet. I agree that ozone is NOT required 24 hours per day (if at all) but achieving proper filtration and watercare in the most economical way while providing quiet operation is the very best of both worlds.
Steve
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Rocky
....The augment can be made that in those 4 hours since you are filtering so many more gallons of water you are doing a much more though job of cleaning your water, breaking the surface of the water, tell me would you perfer to drink from a fast moving stream where sendiments do not build up as in a pool of water that has no visable movement. But again BOTH work and reality is both offer advantages over each. I myself do not believe that 24 hours of ozone is the best benefit of the circ pump but this is just my opinion.
This is where I get a bit confused.
Ozone and filtering? They both "clean" the water, but Ozone is killing bacteria and burning off organic matter. Filtering is trapping particulate matter. You can run ozone till you're blue in the face, but it wont filter the water, and you can filter till the cows come home and it wont kill bacteria.
AS far as the Ozone or Nozone question, I've experienced good luck with my 03 unit. Other's don't. I wonder (once again) if there is a corelation between 24/7 vs cycled O3 units, contact chamber, circ pump and water capacity. The water capacity I think might be an issue. Take for example my FWIII unit from HS. I undertand this is the same unit they put on ALL thier tubs. I have a 320 gal tub. I have good luck. Is it enough to handle a 500 gallon tub ?
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This is where I get a bit confused.
Ozone and filtering? They both "clean" the water, but Ozone is killing bacteria and burning off organic matter. Filtering is trapping particulate matter. You can run ozone till you're blue in the face, but it wont filter the water, and you can filter till the cows come home and it wont kill bacteria.
AS far as the Ozone or Nozone question, I've experienced good luck with my 03 unit. Other's don't. I wonder (once again) if there is a corelation between 24/7 vs cycled O3 units, contact chamber, circ pump and water capacity. The water capacity I think might be an issue. Take for example my FWIII unit from HS. I undertand this is the same unit they put on ALL thier tubs. I have a 320 gal tub. I have good luck. Is it enough to handle a 500 gallon tub ?
Drew,
By and large ozone and filtering go hand in hand if you are filtering and you have ozone on your spa chances are its running or it is should be.
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This is where I get a bit confused.
Ozone and filtering? They both "clean" the water, but Ozone is killing bacteria and burning off organic matter. Filtering is trapping particulate matter. You can run ozone till you're blue in the face, but it wont filter the water, and you can filter till the cows come home and it wont kill bacteria.
AS far as the Ozone or Nozone question, I've experienced good luck with my 03 unit. Other's don't. I wonder (once again) if there is a corelation between 24/7 vs cycled O3 units, contact chamber, circ pump and water capacity. The water capacity I think might be an issue. Take for example my FWIII unit from HS. I undertand this is the same unit they put on ALL thier tubs. I have a 320 gal tub. I have good luck. Is it enough to handle a 500 gallon tub ?
It's more a factor of the contact chamber than the 24 hour ozone....
Here is an interesting thought, if O3 kills most bacteria than wouldn't it be harmful to the "good" bacteria in our lungs?
If it is than think about when you open your spa cover and smell ozone. If you can smell it your likely breathing it and depleting the "good bacteria" in your lungs. Then you get in the spa and dump oil and bacteria into the water, turn on the jets and send the "bad bacteria" airborne only to breath it in to lungs that have been weakened by ozone.
You wind up with a cold or cough that you don't blame on the spa but it was a big part of it.
I think this happens more often than people believe and I personally feel that we should have regulations on O3 off-gas
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It's more a factor of the contact chamber than the 24 hour ozone....
Here is an interesting thought, if O3 kills most bacteria than wouldn't it be harmful to the "good" bacteria in our lungs?
If it is than think about when you open your spa cover and smell ozone. If you can smell it your likely breathing it and depleting the "good bacteria" in your lungs. Then you get in the spa and dump oil and bacteria into the water, turn on the jets and send the "bad bacteria" airborne only to breath it in to lungs that have been weakened by ozone.
You wind up with a cold or cough that you don't blame on the spa but it was a big part of it.
I think this happens more often than people believe and I personally feel that we should have regulations on O3 off-gas
Maybe there was a joke here that I was skimming too quickly to catch, but there are no "good bacteria" to have in your lungs.......are you thinking of good bacteria in your GI? Sorry if I'm being dense.
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Drew,
By and large ozone and filtering go hand in hand if you are filtering and you have ozone on your spa chances are its running or it is should be.
I was trying to point out that filtering is not cleaning the water in the same way the o3 is. So 4 hours of filtering really can't be compared to 4 hours of O3. It would be like comparing 4 hours of vacuming the rug where the dog had an accident, vs applying a antibacterial disinfectant to the spot.
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I was trying to point out that filtering is not cleaning the water in the same way the o3 is. So 4 hours of filtering really can't be compared to 4 hours of O3. It would be like comparing 4 hours of vacuming the rug where the dog had an accident, vs applying a antibacterial disinfectant to the spot.
Actually, more like applying the disinfectant in a corner of the rug, and hoping some of the spot comes in contact with it. ;) :)
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Actually, more like applying the disinfectant in a corner of the rug, and hoping some of the spot comes in contact with it. ;) :)
Perhaps you'd recomend having your crazy uncle come over and wave some magic silver beads?
;D ;)
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Drew,
I understand your point but I thought the question was about ozone and filtering and for the most they go hand in hand . that the question was about 24 hours or 4 hours. It just comes down to what you like 24 hours of ozone in a low flow system or 4 hours in a hi flow system. And yes there are now some hi flow circ pumps that are starting to be used. I am wondering how it will all play out when the final standards are set by the California energy commission.
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Drew,
I understand your point but I thought the question was about ozone and filtering and for the most they go hand in hand . that the question was about 24 hours or 4 hours. It just comes down to what you like 24 hours of ozone in a low flow system or 4 hours in a hi flow system. And yes there are now some hi flow circ pumps that are starting to be used. I am wondering how it will all play out when the final standards are set by the California energy commission.
Maybe I misuderstood the post. I thought Rocky was comparing running the pumps on high, vs running the pumps on low would filter better. I also inferred that since we were talking about 03 and the circ pump, he didn't see an advantage, I just wanted to point out that filtering and o3 had some significant differences. That's all.