Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: christina on May 15, 2006, 06:39:16 pm
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We are first time spa buyers and are interested in the new Jacuzzi brand J470. Does any one have any experiences with that line or model??
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Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome, that exact model is dominating sales in my store. All of the customers that have purchased that spa from us absolutly DIG IT THE MOST!
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I looked one over, was impressed by the controls and the layout, it looked comfortable. I didn't wet test as I was just window shopping while buying chemicals.
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Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome, that exact model is dominating sales in my store. All of the customers that have purchased that spa from us absolutly DIG IT THE MOST!
I thought Jacuzzi wasn't the same as it was ... different pumps, controls, ... More of a Sundace with Jacuzzi jets and name plate.
Not trying to be funny, thought that's what has been said. Is this a different series?
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I thought Jacuzzi wasn't the same as it was ... different pumps, controls, ... More of a Sundace with Jacuzzi jets and name plate.
Not trying to be funny, thought that's what has been said. Is this a different series?
Yes the Jacuzzi and sundance line are similar in a couple ways... But the Jacuzzi 400 series is the flagship for the Jacuzzi corp. Better Construction. Better / Updated filteration. WAY BETTER JETS
To just call them a Sundance with better Jets and a nameplate dosent do them justice
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OK, I went onto the Jacuzzi website and the 400 series is new and this series now is their top of the line ... I was thinking of the 300 series ... so the new 400 series IS a real Jacuzzi where the 300 series is a Sundanced Jacuzzi.
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I beg to differ with Micah. He is very biased in his opinion. He sells the Jacuzzi. I went in to a local Jacuzzi store and could not get what my 05 Sundance has on it in the new 06 Jacuzzi line. I agree in that it has a new look but that new look will cost you money. As in its cover. New jets? Hows 20 some different jets. I mean how, what else can you do with water. Its mostly hype.
You got me! ::) Yep I have 2 stores that sell Jacuzzi.
So Galen, what is it that you couldnt get on a jacuzzi that you got on a sundance?
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Micah, I won't try to insult your product knowledge on the Jacuzzi line. I too thought the 300 was the top of the line when I went to the local dealer. I believe it was Feb. He had one model on the floor. After looking at the Jacuzzi website, I see that all options that are on the Sundance are on the Jacuzzi line. But when I went in and questioned the salesman, he said I could not get the options I wanted. I clearly see Jacuzzi has them now.I stand corrected. We have a Jacuzzi bathroom tub. Which is nice. I have no problem with their products. I know they are made at the same factory. :)
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I looked one over, was impressed by the controls and the layout, it looked comfortable. I didn't wet test as I was just window shopping while buying chemicals.
Hey Bill, where are you going for your chems in Columbus?
I have enjoyed my Jaccuzzi a lot. Not tons of jets, bells or whistles (I put my own LED light in it, unknowingly at great peril to my warranty ::) ).
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But the Jacuzzi 400 series is the flagship for the Jacuzzi corp.[glb]Really? According to who, your Jacuzzi rep?[/glb] Better Construction. [glb]How so? Explain yourself.[/glb] Better / Updated filteration.[glb]Better/Updated over a 300 series[/glb] WAY BETTER JETS [glb]Again, How so? Could that be nothing more than YOUR OPINION[/glb]
To just call them a Sundance with better Jets and a nameplate dosent do them justice
[glb]Nobody did![/glb]
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We are first time spa buyers and are interested in the new Jacuzzi brand J470. Does any one have any experiences with that line or model??
I own a J-355. I've been to my dealer and saw a demo of the J-470. It's very, very nice.
Big upgrade over their 300 series. New stainless steel jets, no more push button air injectors (positive), new filtration, unbelievable sound system.
IMHO, Jacuzzi has always been mentioned with the "2nd tier" tubs, but the J-470 puts it in the first tier with Hot Springs, Marquis, Sundance.
Mark
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Yes the Jacuzzi and sundance line are similar in a couple ways... But the Jacuzzi 400 series is the flagship for the Jacuzzi corp. Better Construction. Better / Updated filteration. WAY BETTER JETS
To just call them a Sundance with better Jets and a nameplate dosent do them justice
Hmm, sounds like pistols at 50 yards.
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Let me pose a question I can't seem to get an answer to from Jacuzzi, if I may. Then I'll sort of answer the question with what I think happened. Why did the name all of a sudden change from "Jacuzzi Premium" to Jacuzzi Hot Tubs? My guess...A bunch of Sundance dealers were whining about the word Premium being used in the name and probably losing sales.
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[glb]Nobody did![/glb]
Hmbaw, I dont want to start a war, but I will answer your questions.
1. Who said that the 400 series was the flagship for the entire Jacuzzi Corp.
That would be Jonathan Clark (ex owner of Sundance and current V.P. of Jacuzzi operations in the U.S.) and Jerry Pasley (another V.P. that oversees Sundance)
2. Better Jets
Thats not my opion but that of the American Medical Association! You will not find any jet in a hospital or licenced therapy center unless it has the Jacuzzi Logo on it. The patented 50% water 50% air ratio is considered the most theraputic Jets in the industry. It is the only jet approved by the A.M.A.
3.Better Construction
This is the one area that sundance has something that Jacuzzi Dosen't With sundance you get a beautiful wood frame that sits right on the concrete. With the Jacuzzi 300 and 400 series you are stuck with that A.B.S. pan that protects the wood so it wont rot.
O.K. you got that wood frame...You win! ::)
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The new 400 line does look nice.
The Jacuzzi deal breaker for me when I was shopping 2 years ago was the lack of places around the tub for setting drinkware. With the importance of keeping hydrated while soaking, it seems that Jacuzzi would address this outside of purchasing bars that are exterior to the tub. Now that I have a tub that is "tumbler friendly", I'm very happy that I put as much emphasis on this when making my decision. Otherwise, Jacuzzi products deserve to be highly recommended.
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1. Lets see, Jacuzzi Family of Products (Company Name) and an amazing production of an outstandingly beautiful hot tub, yeah, it kind of screams flag ship, but I do sell them.
2. ABS base as opposed to a piece of flat ABS stapled to the botom of the spa. Better, in my opinion, WAY BETTER, but I do sell them.
3. A 60 square foot microban infused pleated polyester filter with a 10 micron polishing filter for crystal clear water, better, maybe not. Different, absolutly and works very well! Remember, I sell them.
4.Their newest style of jets with no bearing assisted parts and staying true to the orriginal design of the highest volume jets available, easily better. But again, I sell them!
5. Maybe not directly but Vinny did say "I thought Jacuzzi wasn't the same as it was ... different pumps, controls, ... More of a Sundace with Jacuzzi jets and name plate." Oh and I sell them !
1.But the Jacuzzi 400 series is the flagship for the Jacuzzi corp.
Really? According to who, your Jacuzzi rep?
2.Better Construction. How so?
Explain yourself.
3.Better / Updated filteration.
Better/Updated over a 300 series WAY BETTER JETS
Again, How so? Could that be nothing more than YOUR OPINION
4.To just call them a Sundance with better Jets and a nameplate dosent do them justice
5.Nobody did!
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The new 400 line does look nice.
The Jacuzzi deal breaker for me when I was shopping 2 years ago was the lack of places around the tub for setting drinkware. With the importance of keeping hydrated while soaking, it seems that Jacuzzi would address this outside of purchasing bars that are exterior to the tub. Now that I have a tub that is "tumbler friendly", I'm very happy that I put as much emphasis on this when making my decision. Otherwise, Jacuzzi products deserve to be highly recommended.
And of course I forgot the biggest improvement to the 06 line up............CUP HOLDERS!!!!!!!!
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5. Maybe not directly but Vinny did say "I thought Jacuzzi wasn't the same as it was ... different pumps, controls, ... More of a Sundace with Jacuzzi jets and name plate." Oh and I sell them !
I 99% sure I got that from you ... I kind of remember a person asking and you said the large Jacuzzi jets were powered by Sundance pumps and they didn't have the same performance as they used to have ... maybe I didn't get it from you!
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It's always exciting when Jacuzzi and Sundance dealers square off! :D
Terminator
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Give me your weapon....QUICK!
It's always exciting when Jacuzzi and Sundance dealers square off! :D
Terminator
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And of course I forgot the biggest improvement to the 06 line up............CUP HOLDERS!!!!!!!!
You know, I think cup holders are important. :) !!!!
Anyone looking for a tub to entertain in and thinks cup holders and cool off seats aren't important are greatly misinformed!!!
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Give me your weapon....QUICK!
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/DSC00936.jpg)
Pick one!
Terminator
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I said a lot of stuff while I was pissed of at them. Thank goodness reps are only temporary in most regions.
I 99% sure I got that from you ... I kind of remember a person asking and you said the large Jacuzzi jets were powered by Sundance pumps and they didn't have the same performance as they used to have ... maybe I didn't get it from you!
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Shoot, I kin git the job dun with jist that thar yella one.
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/DSC00936.jpg)
Pick one!
Terminator
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Shoot, I kin git the job dun with jist that thar yella one.
If it twere me, I'd use that dadgum shark. It's got a laserbean on it's head that drewstar sent me.
Terminatolr
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If it twere me, I'd use that dadgum shark. It's got a laserbean on it's head that drewstar sent me.
Terminatolr
Shhhhhhhhh. Term. I told you "Ixnay on the secret aserlay!"
No Folks. Term is lying. There are no Frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams on thier head. Go back to work and relax.
None. Absolutley none.
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(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/DSC00936.jpg)
Pick one!
Terminator
With weapons like these its a wonder how that shopper you had a few weeks ago made it back to his truck on the other side of the parkinglot.
Only thing I could think of was you had one to many and your aim was off
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(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/DSC00936.jpg)
And that's just what he had shoved down his pants today! ;D ;D ;D
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With weapons like these its a wonder how that shopper you had a few weeks ago made it back to his truck on the other side of the parkinglot.
Only thing I could think of was you had one to many and your aim was off
The goat-smelling shark laser malfunctioned! It did, however, remove a mole off my cheek and whitened my teeth.
And those aren't weapons, they're simply spa selling tools. I assumed all spa dealers use them. ???
Terminator
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Nope, I use these...(http://www.shanmonster.com/witch/torture/thumb.jpg)
The goat-smelling shark laser malfunctioned! It did, however, remove a mole off my cheek and whitened my teeth.
And those aren't weapons, they're simply spa selling tools. I assumed all spa dealers use them. ???
Terminator
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1. Lets see, Jacuzzi Family of Products (Company Name) and an amazing production of an outstandingly beautiful hot tub, yeah, it kind of screams flag ship, but I do sell them.
[glb]I think they are a beautiful tub. When I looked at them they couldn't speak let alone scream.[/glb]
2. ABS base as opposed to a piece of flat ABS stapled to the botom of the spa. Better, in my opinion, WAY BETTER, but I do sell them.
[glb]Indeed it is an opinion, one that Sundance as well as Hot Spring might disagree with!(God knows they don't know what they're doing![/glb]
3. A 60 square foot microban infused pleated polyester filter with a 10 micron polishing filter for crystal clear water, better, maybe not. Different, absolutly and works very well! Remember, I sell them.
[glb]Congratulations!! Try 125 sq. ft. and 5 microns[/glb]
4.Their newest style of jets with no bearing assisted parts and staying true to the orriginal design of the highest volume jets available, easily better. But again, I sell them!
[glb]Do they oscillate?( By the way Sundance came out with the Fluidix jets(bearingless and oscillating) in 2001 Welcome to the party!![/glb]
I do think that the 400 series Jacuzzi is a fine tub. I'm happy for you that Sundance is letting some of it's technology filter down to the Jacuzzi line. Someday the Jacuzzi line might be the "flagship" but until then.........
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g198/hymbaw/Sundance_Logo.gif)
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Precisly the type of dealer I was speaking about that probably whined about the word premium in Jacuzzi Premium Spas, now all of a sudden Jacuzzi Hot Tubs. Hey what's that hole for underneath that sundance filter. Don't believe me? Go take a look. Yes, that one there, it certainly does give the impression that a whole lot more water is going into that filter than actually is, but what do I know, I sell Jacuzzi Premium Hot Tubs.
I do think that the 400 series Jacuzzi is a fine tub. I'm happy for you that Sundance is letting some of it's technology filter down to the Jacuzzi line. Someday the Jacuzzi line might be the "flagship" but until then.........
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g198/hymbaw/Sundance_Logo.gif)
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I've got my popcorn, Shiner Bock, and Milk Duds. Let the floggings continue!
Terminator
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That suction under the filter is for the first 1 speed pump. It has nothing to do with the filter.
One of the benefits of the 880 system is that the pumps do not have to go through the filter, so why would a dealer tell a consumer that is does?
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REALLY and you are sure to tell all your customers that? Or do you just show them the water flowing into the filter housing and exclaim, "SEE HOW GOOD OUR FILTER SKIMS AND CLEANS your water." Yeah, I thought so. ::)
That suction under the filter is for the first 1 speed pump. It has nothing to do with the filter.
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Enjoy! ;)
I've got my popcorn, Shiner Bock, and Milk Duds. Let the floggings continue!
Terminator
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Precisly the type of dealer I was speaking about that probably whined about the word premium in Jacuzzi Premium Spas, now all of a sudden Jacuzzi Hot Tubs.
Probably whined?!?! Do you know this is the reason they changed that or are you letting your insecurities get the best of you?
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I do think that the 400 series Jacuzzi is a fine tub. I'm happy for you that Sundance is letting some of it's technology filter down to the Jacuzzi line. Someday the Jacuzzi line might be the "flagship" but until then.........
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g198/hymbaw/Sundance_Logo.gif)
HYMBAW,
If your own vice president admits it, why can't you? ;D
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Damn it, I hate it when somebody figures out my personality type! FUCK, I guess I'll just leave the forum all together now :'(
Probably whined?!?! Do you know this is the reason they changed that or are you letting your insecurities get the best of you?
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Hey what's that hole for underneath that sundance filter. Don't believe me? Go take a look. Yes, that one there, it certainly does give the impression that a whole lot more water is going into that filter than actually is, but what do I know, I sell Jacuzzi Premium Hot Tubs.
The filtration and pumps are plumbed seperately and I tell customers so. Are you suggesting deceptive practices?
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HYMBAW,
If your own vice president admits it, why can't you? ;D
As I said, the plan may be for Jacuzzi to be the flagship someday. Right now, Jacuzzi brands puts more technology in the 880 Series Sundance tubs.
That being said....the 400 Series Jacuzzi is a great looking, well built tub.
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As I said, the plan may be for Jacuzzi to be the flagship someday. Right now, Jacuzzi brands puts more technology in the 880 Series Sundance tubs.
That being said....the 400 Series Jacuzzi is a great looking, well built tub.
I think someday started with the release of the 400 series last november
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If it wasn't designed to give the impression of "super filtration" (my words) then why hide the intake under the filter? Why not just put that intake in the footwell where all the other ones are? I am absolutly positive that you are a reputable seller of Sundance spas, and disclose all the ins and outs of your product to you customers when presenting the product as do all the rest of us here.
The filtration and pumps are plumbed seperately and I tell customers so. Are you suggesting deceptive practices?
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Because there was room there. That's my best guess.
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Nope, I use these...(http://www.shanmonster.com/witch/torture/thumb.jpg)
I think we need to use these on the execs at corporate. Lock them in and turn it untill they tell us which side is REALLY the flagship!!!
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REALLY and you are sure to tell all your customers that? Or do you just show them the water flowing into the filter housing and exclaim, "SEE HOW GOOD OUR FILTER SKIMS AND CLEANS your water." Yeah, I thought so. ::)
To be perfectly honest, (and I rarely sell the tubs as I am mostly in service) the thought of turning on the pump to give an illusion of filtration never crossed my mind.
On the bottom of the Cameo spa, there is no room for another suction. By putting it under the filter, they can comply with the 2 suctions for each pump deal.
You do not need to turn the pump on to show how well the Sundance 880s skim the water.
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Well, in my case. With two trees about the tub, the little seed pods drop in whenever I'm in the tub or the wind is blowing hard. Putting the suction in the skimmer or filter bay, catches the floating seed pods more efficiently. More currant traps the little critters better. BTW this is my first tub and I have had perfect water from day one. I might add that most all the good tubs out there now have much better filtering than just a few years ago. So the arguing about which is better is a mute point. My son got me on this hot tub kick. He has this no name tub with very big pumps. But crummy filter. He is always fighting his water. Mine is absolutely a no brainier low maintaining issue. :)
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I said a lot of stuff while I was pissed of at them. Thank goodness reps are only temporary in most regions.
So the advice you give to people is based on your mood and not your knowledge base?
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Yes, exactly, now your getting it! ::)
So the advice you give to people is based on your mood and not your knowledge base?
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I 99% sure I got that from you ... I kind of remember a person asking and you said the large Jacuzzi jets were powered by Sundance pumps and they didn't have the same performance as they used to have ... maybe I didn't get it from you!
Almost a year ago when I was considering the J385 I was told the same thing about Jacuzzi. The comments here about Jacuzzi turned me off from buying it.
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We took the J470 with the stereo to our home show back in April. In the first two hours of the first day I sold two.
We've never had that kind of reaction to a spa at our show.
I walked around and looked at what the other dealers had and (some of you will be angry at me for saying this) the Jacuzzi out classes the Optima by far.
It was the best looking spa at the show and other dealers even told me that.
This is not easy for me to admit because prior to this show our number one selling high end, high price spa has always been the Coleman 706. And I love Coleman...
Every spa in our booth was drawfed by the J470. It was the attention getter for us and we are now selling more J470's than Coleman 706's.
However in the midrange level we sell more Coleman 400 series that Jacuzzi 300 series. Urr, All these model numbers are starting to get confusing.
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I walked around and looked at what the other dealers had and (some of you will be angry at me for saying this) the Jacuzzi out classes the Optima by far.
However, you need to compare 400 series with Maxxus if you are comparing jacuzzi to sundance.
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J480:(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/shabba34/J480_1_lg.jpg)
Maxxus:(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h75/shabba34/MaxxusBig.jpg)
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Is everyone else getting a photobucket "Oops" error graphic in pkud's posts or is it just me?
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Is everyone else getting a photobucket "Oops" error graphic in pkud's posts or is it just me?
He is obviously posting pornagraffy and his account has been suspended. It isn't the first time this has happened to him.
Terminator
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He is obviously posting pornagraffy and his account has been suspended. It isn't the first time this has happened to him.
Terminator
Dat nekkid gurl wif dat one oyster toof agin, huh? :o
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He is obviously posting pornagraffy and his account has been suspended. It isn't the first time this has happened to him.
Terminator
It was the "Sandy does Sundance" and "Jill does Jacuzzi" pics. Is it showing up now??
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It was the "Sandy does Sundance" and "Jill does Jacuzzi" pics. ÊIs it showing up now??
Not yet. Not your avatar, either.
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There seems to be a lot of similarity in the J480 and Maxxus from the pictures but then again, in this industry we do see some of that so I guess there's no reason to be surprised that they'd look similar just (they are cousins afterall) and if it works, y not.
Are there separate designers for each side of the house?
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Yes, they share ideas, but you cannot call Jacuzzi enginering and get Sundance specs and vice versa.
There seems to be a lot of similarity in the J480 and Maxxus from the pictures but then again, in this industry we do see some of that so I guess there's no reason to be surprised that they'd look similar just (they are cousins afterall) and if it works, y not.
Are there separate designers for each side of the house?
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It was the "Sandy does Sundance" and "Jill does Jacuzzi" pics. Is it showing up now??
Yep, coming in loud and clear........now, about Sandy and Jill....... :o
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Yep, coming in loud and clear........now, about Sandy and Jill....... :o
;D