Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: hymbaw on April 22, 2006, 04:50:55 pm
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Apparently you can get into a Super Deluxe High End Spa for just over $13,000! That's over $7,000 savings! :o
http://www.pacificspasales.com/index.html
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They look just like every other Super High End Deluxe do-it-yourself kit spa I see being sold on the side of the road or out of storage buildings, but more Super High End Deluxe expensive.
Terminator
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Oh Wow! $1600 + to ship to Oahu! Our dealers out there ship them over for a fraction of that - and they stock more than one tub at a time.
Of course, they also have the correct pictures and the prices are a bit less....
But then again, they are ETL-listed so perhaps we shouldn't try to compare....
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Blue Champagne
307 Keawe Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
Phone: 808-538-3665
Fax: 808-599-1488
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Maybe he should hire Barney as a spokes person and then they could be "Super De-Duper High End" ;)
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"It takes advantage of the thermal heat barrier insulation better than any spa on earth"
The best on earth well than it has to be best ;)
But Im just wondering where in the Galaxy you can get the best spa if his is the best only on earth ::)
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My favorite part is the "Who We Are" portion:
"Vince and Pacific Spa Sales are based in Kaneohe. There is no Hawaii store at this time. Sales and information are via telephone,email and internet.
Vince is not employed by the Spa Specialist/Haven Spas
In most cases, the customer purchases the spa and accessories directly from Haven Spas and all warranty work etc. is through Haven Spas. "
So what the hell is Vince doing?! "It is our goal to handle as many calls and issues locally as possible. " Yes - anything except sales, information, and warranty service.
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looks just like the spas sold by the silver-tongued salesmanfrom the dirty warehouse floor, and the classified add "new still in wrapper"
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Vince's personal Haven Spa in Kaneohe, HI
(http://www.pacificspasales.com/page5/files/page5_7.jpg)
(http://www.pacificspasales.com/page5/files/page5_8.jpg)
(http://www.pacificspasales.com/page5/files/page5_1.jpg)
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Don't forget the $200 + crating charge, in addition to the shipping. You will pay almost $2000 addiitonal to get the spa, not includeing steps, cover and all the goodies.
and this is so nice...
" you are required to help remove it from the truck. This is standard shipping practice. If this is your choice you, will need several strong friends to help remove it from the truck. A fork lift may be available that comes along with the truck for an additional charge.
and it keeeps getting better...(want help setting up the spa?O
there is a fee of $350 for this service which is available on Oahu only. Fee is higher for difficult deliveries depending on how much man power is needed.
And it will take several months.
and all you get for service is this Vince. Who doens't work for Jim Butthead, only just a 100% comminsioned mouth piece.
good.lord.almighty.
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Well, suckers are born every minute, aren't they? Someone has to sell to them.
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Oops, I forgot, I'm not supposed to start a sentence with "Well." Sorry salesdvl.
However, a sucker is born every minute, aren't they? Someone has to sell to them.
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Wonder how much this poor soul shucked out to get his franchise?
And I think you guys are being too hard here. Don't forget that each and every supercustomdeluxefallsapartwithdaitIV comes with a free sunbleached shell and cabinet. You can't put a price on that.
Well you could, but it wouldn't be anywhere near the $13K he's asking (plus multiple shipping charges), let alone the $20K+ he claims they're worth.
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The view in Zeps last pic is great except for the "spa" that is putting a huge damper on it
Million Dollar view $1 hot tub
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In most cases, the customer purchases the spa and accessories directly from Haven Spas and all warranty work etc. is through Haven Spas. "
So what the hell is Vince doing?! "It is our goal to handle as many calls and issues locally as possible. " Yes - anything except sales, information, and warranty service.
100% commissioned sales.
It allows Dingleberry to claim he has reps in Hawaii.
There is no value added. Some poor soul bought one of these and is now posing for Dingleberry as an "independent rep" when in fact, it's a guy with no spa experice, still in the "honeymoon" phase of his purchase. It's a great illustration on how the company is run. Buy a haven spa, and the repair guy, delivery guy, or what have you can be some joe off the street. ::).
Didja catch how he refers to Dingleberry as "Master" in the super high end description? I spit my coffee up laughing.
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I thought this was a great quote from the site too:
Some spa salesmen don't really know much about spas either. Their sales presentation is based on what they were told by their company.
Hmmmm. I can think of one sales man in Hawaii ;)
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Well, not to start a hissy fight or whatever, I have mentioned to Jim that he is a spa salesman, and he usually strongly dissagrees with me.
He basically considers himself an engineer who just sits around and takes orders.
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Well, not to start a hissy fight or whatever, I have mentioned to Jim that he is a spa salesman, and he usually strongly dissagrees with me.
He basically considers himself an engineer who just sits around and takes orders.
No no no Chas.
Spa Designer. Not Engineer. Designer ;)
Don't you remember hir tirade when he decalared himself the only person in the universe as having a masters in Spa Design? (Since there is no such thing, he decalred himself to be it.. It was quite stunning. I sat there reading it, my mouth agape..."this man is insane...:
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Before this thread gets moved to the "Beating a dead horse" section I thought I'd throw my hat into the ring. For anyone that does not know who I am, let me re-state that I'm just a consumer advocate. I'm not a dealer or affiliated with the spa industry in any way.
When I was working on my wet test report and "how to buy a hot tub" information. I was wet testing every spa I could find. At one point I was contacted by Jim after posting a question on his website. Between e-mail and a couple phone calls I made a choice not to wet test one of his spas for the following reasons.
- As a career engineer I had many straightforward questions regarding some of Jim's claims and was highly dissatisfied in the responses. I just couldn't get a straight answer.
- I think it's sad, but I have to acknowledge that Jim's sales pitch works on many people. It's a psychological ploy that essentially boils down to, "My spa is the best and is priced accordingly for reasons A, B, C, D, and E; so you're crazy to buy any other brand." Of course it seems counterintuitive that this approach would work, but plenty of people will hear Jim's reasons to buy and then rationalize the following conclusion: The high cost, "superior features", even the limited availability make sense; and the superior features must be true since you get what you pay for (i.e., the more it costs, the better it is mentality). I don't believe for a second that his approach would work if the spas were priced in the 8-10k range like most similar size/jetted spas in the industry.
This same tactic is applied quite often at many car dealerships. An old adage for car shopping is this: If the dealer is smiling, you're not getting a good deal. In Jim's case, so long as you are interested in his spas and agree that his claims make sense, he is a very nice and outgoing person. However, my communications with him turned defensive and non-responsive as soon as I started asking more detailed questions about how he justifies some of his claims. The change of tone didn't phase me but it certainly killed any curiousity I had about the spas.
- Since Jim has no dealerships in most of the country he shared contact information for a couple owners in my area. Jim encourages his customers with some type of incentive to let people wet test at their homes (how he gets people to agree to let strangers soak in their home/backyard I don't know). While I didn't wet test the spa I did contact one of the references by e-mail and received both positive and negative feedback when asking about his experience with his spa. The positive feedback centered on how powerful the jets felt, while the negatives were his dissatisfaction with the delivery and also with degraded/failed jets that had to be replaced in the first 18 months. While I appreciated his feedback, I had already decided I wasn't going to buy one. This being the case, I certainly wasn't going to impose on his time to wet test it
I just want to reconfirm that I have no agenda here. I just wanted to share my observations from communications with Jim's company. It is fair to say that I was not at all impressed with his claims or his sales methods. To be fair though, since I didn't wet test his spas I can't state an opinion on their quality or performance.
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Outstanding post Duffman!!!! My hat is off to you. That is the most concise, well written post I have ever read regarding this character.
Once again, you have proven that if anyone deserves to be labeled Super High End, it would be you! And I mean that with all due respect, sir. :)
Terminator
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Coming from you East TX, that's quite a compliment. Thank you very much. ;D
It's interesting that when I was in contact with Jim, he was complaining that anytime a post on his spas made it to this forum, they were immediately deleted or moved. Of course I never bought into his notion that there was a consipracy against him; just that his responses were so argumentative and abrasive that they had to be moved to the "Beating a dead horse" area. It's nice to see one of these discussions maintain civility
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50% of any salesmans success is based on his PR skills. Public relations is not something that can ever be dismissed in anyones sales approach. I have stated this to JA many times over the years and yet his methods seem to not include any PR skills. Maybe because his statements of not being a salesman are true, but if your ultimate goal is to be succsessful in selling your product to the public??? Then your relations with them need to include an aproach that relys on there comfort with you as a person.
I have a friend who could sell fire to the devil and not even know how to light a match. He is very successful because of his PR skills. So it would seem to me to be more important than your knowledge of the product.
Sigh.......try and give the man advice and you are labeled an idiot!!
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DOES THIS LINK HAVE TO STAY? I would hate for this site to be responsible for one inquiry to that site. Just askin? Good to be back!
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Spaman,
where the hell have you been?
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DOES THIS LINK HAVE TO STAY? I would hate for this site to be responsible for one inquiry to that site. Just askin? Good to be back!
did your probation officer OK your return?