Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: cappykat on December 16, 2005, 11:31:18 am
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My bromine is testing very high--20 on the test strip. I have my bromine cartridge set at "1".
The alk is pretty low--40, pH is about 7.2. The water is crystal clear but I get quite a chemical smell on my skin.
Weekly routine is 2oz shock, then 2 days after 2 oz di-chlor.
I added 2 tablespoons of baking soda trying to raise the alk but didn't do much, and 2 oz of pH up...still no change. I did this on 12/12.
We've only been using the hot-tub about 2-3 times per week. Could there possibly be a build-up of bromine with less use? I didn't add the shock this week because of high bromine reading.
Also, I can never tell when to change the bromine cartridge.
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cappy,
if im remembering right, you got an EPIC correct? the display window will read"rSA" and the led will light up as well. usually 21 days +/- a couple.
as far as high bromine........you can remove the cover and bromine cartridge, turn on the pumps and air injectors for approx 30 minutes. test again to see if the level has dropped into the acepable range. after bromine is in range, then we will work on ph/alk ;)
socal
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If your bromine is 20 on the strips, I doubt you are getting an accurate measurement of TA or pH. Bromine, like its sister Chlorine, tend to have a bleaching effect.
Take it to the dealer or get a test kit that has chlorine neutralizer in it.
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I just switched from test strips to the Taylor Kit and have found reading is much easier and closer to what my pool store was printing on my monthly test. Ph readings on the test strips were useless for me.
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Socal...yes, an Epic. I put a new cartridge in on 11/28 and on or about 12/10 to 12/12 I got the "rSA" on the display. It's only been in 2 weeks, so I know I don't need to change it. So, now that I've had the "rSA" display, when will I change it?? How would it have gotten off schedule??
I put 3 tbsp of baking soda in today and I'll do what you suggested.
I'm going to get a Taylor test kit also. Thanks everyone for your help.
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Socal...yes, an Epic. I put a new cartridge in on 11/28 and on or about 12/10 to 12/12 I got the "rSA" on the display.
the 1st cartridge change is usually quick. like batteries and a new toy ;D let me know how it works out, and if you have any further questions feel free to post/pm me.
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Cappy,
You'll need approximately 4 oz. of baking soda to raise the TA 50ppm in a 350 gal. spa. You can do some dividing from that and get the amount you'll need based on the capacity of your spa. It is usually recommended not to raise more than 50 ppm at any one time. If you need to raise it more than that, do it in seperate dosages spread out over a couple of days.
I've never used bromine, so I can't say what might be giving you a high reading like that, but I do know that when I was using Baquaspa, there were periods of low use when I wouldn't have to add any of the sanitizer for maybe 3 weeks. I'd take the water in to be tested and the level of sanitzer would still be in range (upper end actually). The dealer said, "if you had been adding sanitizer weekly, it would be off the charts right now."
Also, I'm confused, why are you adding 2 oz of dichlor two days after you shock? That seems like a whole lot of dichlor and I didn't think you needed dichlor if you were running a bromine dispenser, and actually thought you weren't supposed to mix the two. Just wondering. Good luck with the water issues.
-Sarge
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Speaking of baking soda, the pool guy who I buy my chemicals from told me baking soda is completely different than the alk up he sells. (imagine that!!)
I argued and he pointed out baking soda is sodium bicarbonate and alk up is sodium carbonate, or vice versa. I told him baking soda worked fine he looked at me cross eyed, I punched him in the mouth and stomped him.... well that is mostly made up, but is any of the bicarbonate stuff true or is it a plot to hurt Arm and Hammer?
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Sarge...a Marquis dealer on this board suggested I add the di-chlor a couple of days after my shock.
I've been adding shock once a week, and di-chlor once a week. I took the bromine out and I'm running the spa with the cover off as we speak.
I think I'm going to go back to just the shock.
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Orlando,
Keep on using your baking soda. It's dirt cheap and the best thing it has going for it is that it will raise your TA levels without raising your PH levels as much as using the PH Up product will. I'm one of those people who's water out of the tap is fine Ph wise but low TA wise. So, I always use baking soda to raise my TA without shooting my PH too high off the charts.
I also make a paste out of baking soda and water on a rag and use it to clean around my water line and top of the shell regularly. A small amount like that getting in the water won't affect a thing.
Cappy,
I don't know, but if it were me, I would not use the dichlor and see if that doesn't bring your level down to something more normal. I think that's just way too much sanitizer for using the spa a few times a week.
-Sarge
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Sarge, that's what I'm going to do. If our usage goes up then I'll work from there.
Thanks!!
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Speaking of baking soda, the pool guy who I buy my chemicals from told me baking soda is completely different than the alk up he sells. (imagine that!!)
I argued and he pointed out baking soda is sodium bicarbonate and alk up is sodium carbonate, or vice versa. I told him baking soda worked fine he looked at me cross eyed, I punched him in the mouth and stomped him.... well that is mostly made up, but is any of the bicarbonate stuff true or is it a plot to hurt Arm and Hammer?
Sodium bicarbonate is baking soda. That's exactly the ingredient listed in the alk increase products I looked at.
Your pool guy makes less money when you buy baking soda instead of his chemical. I've used baking soda in my spa water for years to raise alkalinity.
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Geez...I keep making the same %$#@ mistake!! I must need to get my eyes checked!!
I have been adding too much di-chlor. I even have it written down to add 3 TEASPOONS but I've once again added OUNCES!!
I guess I'm going to have to tape my written instructions on the side of the hot-tub!! Oh well...at least you can get a laugh outta my screw-ups!!
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I use the bromine dispenser with great success and was told to NEVER mix dichlor with bromine, rather pick the one you are most comfortable with and stick with it. If you change your mind, I was told to do a drain and refill before using the other. I realize the chemical components of bromine are such and such amounts of chlorine and dichlor is blah blah blah, but is it accurate that mixing the two is a big cause of cloudy water as I was told on 3 seperate occasions?
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I asked about the same thing...mixing the two, but I was told by a person on this forum that is was ok. I was told to add 3 TEASPOONS about 2-3 days after I added the shock.
Of course, if I could ever get the amounts correct, I wouldn't have a problem. At least my water is crystal clear. I think I'll quit using the di-chlor and see how I do with just the shock once a week.
Back to orlandoguy's question...is it ok to use di-chlor and bromine together??
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Dunno, but if mixing dichlor and bromine make cloudy water, why would they sell bromine which is 40% or more dichlor?
3 ounces of chlorine? You could probably sterilize surgical instruments in that water!
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Perhaps the dealer who suggested this could answer the question. Not saying it's incorrect, just wondering the theory of mixing the two?
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So how what's the best way to get the bromine level down? Take the cartridge out for a few days? Guess we should stay out of the tub until we get the levels down also??
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cappy
did what i suggest make a difference in bromine levels?
and what is it with you adding oz when it calls for teaspoons anyways??? ;D just playin. hope the level comes down some so you can enjoy that wonderful tub you have
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socal...I don't know what's up with me!! I'm using the dispenser that came in my start-up kit and it's in ounces. I guess I just forget and use it not thinking...duh, of course I'm not thinking!!
I did a search on "how to bring down high bromine levels" and found a site that said the easiest, cheapest way was to drain some of the water and refill with fresh. Not to do an entire drain but just to release some of the water. I'm going to do that and go from there.
Anyone know anything about Cleanwater Blue or Nature2?? Not going to do anything right away but I like the idea of a non-chlorine tub. Pros/Cons??
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Cappy,
A half drain and fill would be the easiest way to bring your levels down. As far as Dichlor and Bromine.....It wont hurt to use them together but it is redundant. Dichlor is a fine oxidizer so you can shock with it and skip the MPS if you would like. Or drop the Dichlor all together.
Just dont check Bromine levels after you shock with either, it willl give you false high readings.
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hymbaw...thanks for the info. I didn't know about the high readings. I'm going to let go for a day or so and then recheck.
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Sodium bicarbonate is baking soda. That's exactly the ingredient listed in the alk increase products I looked at.
Your pool guy makes less money when you buy baking soda instead of his chemical. I've used baking soda in my spa water for years to raise alkalinity.
Yeah commercial alk increase products are the same exact ingredient as baking soda or sodium bicarbonate.
However, the PH increaser they sell you is most likely Sodium Carbonate, which is slightly different and while you can use that to increase your TA, it will more adversely affect your PH level before your TA ever gets where it needs to be. I learned that lesson the hard way. ;D
-Sarge
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Oh man, I did the same thing ...AGAIN. Last week I was also asking about shocking and getting my bromine level down afterward. I added water today and thought I should sock since I had not since last Thursday and the water seemed just a little cloudy. I shocked this morning and now the bromine level is at 20 on my test strips. I pulled out the bromine cartridge and I have the lid half open and everything jetting away. Socal, I hope this works! My husband is going to kill me if he can't soak tonight. Cappy, I bought measuring spoons at Walmart and keep them in my spa kit. That way I can't add too much at once...I don't know why this is so high because I only added what the bottle said. Maybe I'll throw some fish tank water in to use up the bromine :-/
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Hubby hopped in anyway! He decided he would just shower when he gets out. He claims that there is NO bromine smell at all...I don't know I am sick and can't smell anything...Will let you all know if he gets bleached ! ???
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I had shocked the tub a few hours before my wife invited friends over for a soak. Sky high Bromine levels. Solution? I used aquarium water conditioner (already in the house). It's cheap and a few capfuls will cut your bromine (or chlorine) down fast. Make sure it's one without Aloe. Jungle labs is what we have. A $7 bottle will probably last you a very long time as once you get the hang of chemistry, you won't need it except for times like I just described. Our guests commented on how great our water felt (soft) and non-drying. You can get in with high Bromine, but it will have an odor and will feel hard/harsh.
For pH, I quit screwing around with strips and solutions and bought a pH meter for $23 plus shipping off e-bay. Query pH meter on e-bay. Hanna's pH meter should come up straight away. It works great. Digital read out, no guessing. To me, the strips are great for everything but pH.
P.S. Thanks for updating the pic!
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Two ways to lower bromine level besides what has been mention.
1. Take the cover off for an hour or more, and circulate the water without aeration
2. Thiosulphate aka chlorine neutralizer. It isn't that expensive. Nice to have on hand for draining, so you can drain on your lawn with no grass bleaching. Just don't over do it or you may have trouble re-establishing a bromine reading.
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Thanks guys, I didn't realize that thiosulfate would also
inactivate the bromine! so the fish water idea was't too far off!.
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bonibelle,
hows that saying go...learn somethin new everyday ;D ive learned the hard way too about bromine being a sneaky devil, spiking and dropping.
but for all the head aches and hassles in the begining, theres nothin like setteling into some nice hot water and soak!
cappy, i hope you got your tub situated. dont stress and happy soaking
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This is crazy!! I opened the cover yesterday, removed the bromine, and ran the jets for 30 minutes. I just went out and checked today...I was planning to do a half refill, and the readings are normal across the board!!
Guess I'll put the bromine back in and set to "1".
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This is crazy!! I opened the cover yesterday, removed the bromine, and ran the jets for 30 minutes. I just went out and checked today...I was planning to do a half refill, and the readings are normal across the board!!
Guess I'll put the bromine back in and set to "1".
see, nothin to worry about ;D (patting self on back for the recomendation) lol
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Yep, we'll be tubbin' tonight!
Bonibelle...I'm getting measuring spoons (or maybe just a TEASPOON) today to put in my spa kit.