Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Wolf_Racer on August 25, 2005, 05:05:26 pm
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Hi,
I was wondering what folks had to say that own a Dimension One Spas. Just looked at them and they appear to be pretty well built with good features. They seem to be in the same class as Hotsprings, Sundance, Marquis, etc.
I did a search on this forum and did not find much.
I am looking at the D1 Reflections, Californian.
Feedback?
What about pricing folks have recently got on this spa?
Thanks in advance!
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There's a couple of D1 dealers here and D1 seems to rank up there with the 3 you mentioned.
I looked at them back in 2004, but didn't like the dealer. I saw the Californian and the Nautilus and they were going for about $8,000.
I'm sure more people will chime in!
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I soaked in one and thought it was a nice tub. But, the lounger is very long from hip to knee so I didn't get a natural leg bend and it wasn't comfortable for me. Their new jets in that lounger are great. If you are taller, it may fit you and you will probably love it. Wet test for sure. They've upped the price on the new Californian. The store I was at had it with up front pricing pushing $9K, but I didn't try to negotiate either. By comparison, a Diplomat or Nautilus would have been between $7,800 and $8,000. I have found no spa forum generally speak ill of Dimension One. From what I've seen, they are in the same class as the other tubs you've named. Wet test several models/brands and select what fits you best at a price you're willing to pay. If you're looking for a lounger, you might check the Caldera Geneva. It has pretty cool foot jets for the lounger. It probably will fall in the mid $8K range also, depending of course on the dealer.
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I soaked in one and thought it was a nice tub. But, the lounger is very long from hip to knee so I didn't get a natural leg bend and it wasn't comfortable for me. Their new jets in that lounger are great. If you are taller, it may fit you and you will probably love it. Wet test for sure. They've upped the price on the new Californian. The store I was at had it with up front pricing pushing $9K, but I didn't try to negotiate either. By comparison, a Diplomat or Nautilus would have been between $7,800 and $8,000. I have found no spa forum generally speak ill of Dimension One. From what I've seen, they are in the same class as the other tubs you've named. Wet test several models/brands and select what fits you best at a price you're willing to pay. If you're looking for a lounger, you might check the Caldera Geneva. It has pretty cool foot jets for the lounger. It probably will fall in the mid $8K range also, depending of course on the dealer.
Thanks for the feedback. I am comparing it to the Caldera Geneva (around $9k price quote), Marquis Epic (some things I don’t like on this one - no 24 hour pump and Tri-zone). I have wet tested all of these.
I will wet test this D1 Californian.
Other thoughts? Very interested in real pricing folks have got on the D1 Californian recently.
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The comments on pricing do reflect the modifications to the '05 Californian v '04 Californian.
D-1 did away with the Chairman, keeping the Chairman II and moving the Californian "up" by adding jets, and some slick light features.
As stl-rex mentioned, this lounger is geared to a taller individual.
I used to sell them and I think they are top notch.
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Here are some prices from the local D1 dealer:
Chairman ll-$9995
Diplomat-$8495
Nautilus-$7495
Aurora ll-$6895
Californian-$8495
Triad ll-$6995
Seville-$5695
Oh yeah.....sale ends 8-29
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Glad to hear good things about the D 1 Californian. I'm going to check one out tomorrow. I think they have one available for a wet-test, but I'll have to see what their hours are tomorrow and Sat. to fit that in.
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It gets so frustrating listening to people who do not understand how circ pumps work. I'll give you simple explanation....maybe.
Circulation pump (Laing 909) is a 8 gpm pump, running at 3450 rpm. That's 11,520 gpm filtered a day. It runs constantly and burns up every 3 - 6 years and causes more heaters to fail than any pump in history. Low flow cause heater corrosion..ask Watkins about having to create special heater just to withstand low flow. Now many use Laing 825 heaters(not titanium) to work with this pump. ???? used this for years and realized it was just marketing BS, "cleans 24/7 all year long ...silently." Sounds good, but it doesn't last. Plus it doesn't matter how long a pump filters, it's how MUCH WATER it filters. Take a 56 frame that runs at 1725 rpm and filters 80 gpm or 19,000 gallons per day in only 4 hours. Reminder..half the rpm's and 10 times the flow..3.2 amps for 4 hours a day vs. .95 amps 24 hours a day. It helps to understand. Tri-Zone takes sophistication to understand that it allows you to take total flow of pump and put it to ANY muscle group; shoulders, feet, thighs, low back, total back, calves, hips, knees, etc. No other spa can do that...period. Anyone can produce a spa that runs all the jets full power or half the spa full power. It can be difficult to comprehend because it is so far ahead of its time.
Where are you searching (City/Area) for a spa?
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It gets so frustrating listening to people who do not understand how circ pumps work. I'll give you simple explanation....maybe.
Circulation pump (Laing 909) is a 8 gpm pump, running at 3450 rpm. That's 11,520 gpm filtered a day. It runs constantly and burns up every 3 - 6 years and causes more heaters to fail than any pump in history. Low flow cause heater corrosion..ask Watkins about having to create special heater just to withstand low flow. Now many use Laing 825 heaters(not titanium) to work with this pump. ???? used this for years and realized it was just marketing BS, "cleans 24/7 all year long ...silently." Sounds good, but it doesn't last. Plus it doesn't matter how long a pump filters, it's how MUCH WATER it filters. Take a 56 frame that runs at 1725 rpm and filters 80 gpm or 19,000 gallons per day in only 4 hours. Reminder..half the rpm's and 10 times the flow..3.2 amps for 4 hours a day vs. .95 amps 24 hours a day. It helps to understand. Tri-Zone takes sophistication to understand that it allows you to take total flow of pump and put it to ANY muscle group; shoulders, feet, thighs, low back, total back, calves, hips, knees, etc. No other spa can do that...period. Anyone can produce a spa that runs all the jets full power or half the spa full power. It can be difficult to comprehend because it is so far ahead of its time.
Where are you searching (City/Area) for a spa?
Kyle,
There is NO spa that can circulate 11,520 gpm (Gallons Per Minute) a day. To sound intelligent you got to write intelligently - not the case. Keep the sales dribble to yourself!
To Stuart, Mendo and other Marquis dealers - this is NOT a slam on Marquis.
Vinny
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It gets so frustrating listening to people who do not understand how circ pumps work. I'll give you simple explanation....maybe.
Circulation pump (Laing 909) is a 8 gpm pump, running at 3450 rpm. That's 11,520 gpm filtered a day. It runs constantly and burns up every 3 - 6 years and causes more heaters to fail than any pump in history. Low flow cause heater corrosion..ask Watkins about having to create special heater just to withstand low flow. Now many use Laing 825 heaters(not titanium) to work with this pump. ???? used this for years and realized it was just marketing BS, "cleans 24/7 all year long ...silently." Sounds good, but it doesn't last. Plus it doesn't matter how long a pump filters, it's how MUCH WATER it filters. Take a 56 frame that runs at 1725 rpm and filters 80 gpm or 19,000 gallons per day in only 4 hours. Reminder..half the rpm's and 10 times the flow..3.2 amps for 4 hours a day vs. .95 amps 24 hours a day. It helps to understand. Tri-Zone takes sophistication to understand that it allows you to take total flow of pump and put it to ANY muscle group; shoulders, feet, thighs, low back, total back, calves, hips, knees, etc. No other spa can do that...period. Anyone can produce a spa that runs all the jets full power or half the spa full power. It can be difficult to comprehend because it is so far ahead of its time.
Where are you searching (City/Area) for a spa?
The laing pumps primary function is to circulate the water through the heater AND the ozone/contact chamber 24/7 on the D1 spas.
The primary jetting pump runs on set filter cycles (Typically 2 - 2hour cycles in 24 hours) to filter the water.
D1, Marquis, Hot Springs and Sundance are some of the great brands of spas available and it's up to the person shopping for a spa to find the model/brand that is comfortable for them by wet testing them.
To say that one brand is far Superior or "it is so far ahead of its time" because of: better filtration, bigger pumps, steel frame and so on, is nothing more sales hype IMO.
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It Tri-Zone takes sophistication to understand that it allows you to take total flow of pump and put it to ANY muscle group; shoulders, feet, thighs, low back, total back, calves, hips, knees, etc. No other spa can do that...period. Anyone can produce a spa that runs all the jets full power or half the spa full power. It can be difficult to comprehend because it is so far ahead of its time.
Marquis makes it easier to isolate with the zone. However I recently tested a spa where I closed all the seat jets except the shoulder/trap jets and I had an unbelievable amount of power coming from just the 4 trap/shoulder jets. When I was finished, I opened the rest of the jets in the seat and enjoyed a full back massage. You can do what Marquis makes easy in some other spas with another 20 seconds of fiddling with the jets. The difference is you can then open them back up for a whole "area" massage when you're done beating up the isolated area. Nothing against Marquis, but you can achieve the same with other spas just with a different path. I couldn't run with just the four open for more than a few minutes - too intense. I was glad to return to a slightly more relaxed massage after that. I've found it's difficult to sometimes undress sales claims unless you really look around and wet test many models. I think Marquis is a nice spa, but they have their gimmicks just like everyone else. Wet test and make a truly informed decision.
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Here are some prices from the local D1 dealer:
Chairman ll-$9995
Diplomat-$8495
Nautilus-$7495
Aurora ll-$6895
Californian-$8495
Triad ll-$6995
Seville-$5695
Oh yeah.....sale ends 8-29
$6995 on the Triad II???? Holy cows!! I was quoted way moe than that for the triad 2 try 8k oh wait 7995 without tax
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My D1 Dealer is quoting me $8100 on a D1 Californian.
My Marquis Dealer is quoting me $7300 on a 05 Reward (not the SA) or $8300 on the 05 Epic.
All the quotes are for brand new tubs and include everything except tax.
I wet tested all of them and like them all.
The problem I have is I think the D1 Californian is much more like the Marquis Reward from a size and feature standpoint. The Epic is 100 gallons more, has more seating options, and generally seems to be a step up from the Reward and Californian.
I think these are excellent prices on the Marquis. The dealer has them in stock and wants to move them. The D1 is a smaller business and has to order them and might not have the buying power to compete with these prices.
If the D1 Californian was more in line with the Marquis 05 Reward pricing I am being quoted I would probably buy it. But, if the D1 dealer has to stick to his price of $8100 then for $200 more I will buy the Epic.
I don’t want to offend the D1 dealer, but is the D1 dealer able to sell the Californian in the $7300 range?
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I just had my D1 Chairman installed. ( I bought it a while back but wasn't able to install due to construction issues)
I LOVE IT! Almost every night I'm out there watching the stars, relaxing.
Oh, and paid $6,495.
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Marquis makes it easier to isolate with the zone. However I recently tested a spa where I closed all the seat jets except the shoulder/trap jets and I had an unbelievable amount of power coming from just the 4 trap/shoulder jets. When I was finished, I opened the rest of the jets in the seat and enjoyed a full back massage. You can do what Marquis makes easy in some other spas with another 20 seconds of fiddling with the jets. The difference is you can then open them back up for a whole "area" massage when you're done beating up the isolated area. Nothing against Marquis, but you can achieve the same with other spas just with a different path. I couldn't run with just the four open for more than a few minutes - too intense. I was glad to return to a slightly more relaxed massage after that. I've found it's difficult to sometimes undress sales claims unless you really look around and wet test many models. I think Marquis is a nice spa, but they have their gimmicks just like everyone else. Wet test and make a truly informed decision.
Ahhhh that is the rub.....in closing all the jets but 4 in one seat you tried to put more water flow than what those jets were designed to do and by doing so that is the reason for the intense massage that you could not stay in front for long With the Marquis and their Hk 40 jets they are designed to handle 40gpm of water for a very comfortable massage and which if I am not mistaken is twice the water flow if the next largest therapy jet in the industry ( excluding foot blaster or volcano jets) , I understand that 20gpm is the next largest, with jets that are designed for 40gpm of flow you can stay in front them longer for a deeper massage ....All manufactures have things they do well and the better ones do more things well than others. Marquis focus is on high flow hydro therapy with the ability to isolate muscle groups one at a time.
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Ahhhh that is the rub.....in closing all the jets but 4 in one seat you tried to put more water flow than what those jets were designed to do and by doing so that is the reason for the intense massage that you could not stay in front for long With the Marquis and their Hk 40 jets they are designed to handle 40gpm of water for a very comfortable massage and which if I am not mistaken is twice the water flow if the next largest therapy jet in the industry ( excluding foot blaster or volcano jets) , I understand that 20gpm is the next largest, with jets that are designed for 40gpm of flow you can stay in front them longer for a deeper massage ....All manufactures have things they do well and the better ones do more things well than others. Marquis focus is on high flow hydro therapy with the ability to isolate muscle groups one at a time.
The jets were rotating vortex jets with a very deep kneeding action into the traps. That is my problem area and I was seeking very deep therapy. It is very unusual to find large rotating vortex jets that high in a chair. Most of the other jets I've encounted for the neck and trap area don't provide that. They just shoot a stream of water which does not provide nearly the same therapy level. What do the Marquis jets for the neck/traps do? Rotate or straight stream?
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Good luck on finding the correct spa for you and your family! :)
I'm a dealer, but for a different brand from either one you're looking at. As far as D1 goes, I've heard good responses from customers about D1 tubs in my area. They are one of the better lines out there. The only down sides I've heard from my customers about them is they can be a hassle when it comes time to program the controls (which happens every time you lose power or shut it down to drain it and refill). Also, I've heard one complaint that their warranty has a few loopholes, primarily due to water chemistry.
I do not know that this is a fact since I only heard this from a customer and have not read through the warranty for myself.
Overall, I've heard a lot of good things about the D1 line, but I'd check into the concerns I've heard from my customers.
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Installed a D1 Aurora II on 5/10/05. Install took @4 hours including electric, water fill, tech testing, etc. Heated to 102* in about 4 more hours. Decided on Bromine vs all the other things that sounded good. Just 2 of us, in it everyday. Run the pumps for about 1 hour every morning to keep the filtering going. Check and add Bromine as necessary (usually every 2-3 days. Still have the original water fill. Programming the D1 was a cinch. I have had several relativly short power (< 1hour)outages and have not had to re-program. The ozone runs a lot but the effect on my electric bill has been modest (@ $1 a day).
Happier than hell with my D1.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh,,, THANKS to Stuart, Spa-tech, Mendo and the others on this board for all of the advise they offered and wisdom they provided during my purchasing decisions. ;D
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I used to sell D-1 and also found them to be the easiest tub to program.
Most spas have you enter multiple button sequences or hold a button to enter programing modes. This usually requires refferring to the manual until you become more familiar with the controls.
The Dimension 1 with its "scrolling message center" walks you through programming on screen in your choice of languages (4 I think)
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Man, there is too much bs on this board! Half the time I soak without the jets on just to watch football while enjoying a nice cold beverage with my wife.
This is my 2nd spa, (Hotsprings was first and I didn't spend a nickle in repairs in 7 years) and I bought ia Dimension one because I wanted another name brand, good reputation spa. (Kind of like Mercedes vs BMW, which I have owned)
This is a luxury spa the D1, and, 2 motors which are Dual 2 speed, adjustable (individual) jets, huge filters, ozonator, computerized electronics, best warantee in the business. A hot Springs is hard to beat, but this is a great spa and we love it. I think the seating arrangement is the bomb!
PS: I use it everyday, use a teaspoon of diclore when I exit, and the water is perfect. Spend the money on a quality spa and a nice TV with cable or satillite so you can enjoy it outdoors.
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Geez...I have read the pros/cons of Marquis' Tri-Zone therapy on this forum. Maybe Kyle's post did have some "sales dribble", but when we wet tested the Epic the only "drawback" if you can call it that was you couldn't have ALL the jets on in the aidirondack seat. Both my husband and I wet tested together and I certainly didn't notice any let down in power while I was in any other seat and he was in the aidirondack seat and vice versa.
I don't get all the negatives on Marquis' Tri-Zone therapy?? We wet tested HotSprings, D1, Jacuzzi, Sundance and of those we thought the Epic had the best therapy. Note, I said WE like the Epic...it's an individual thing. We weren't aware of ANY limitations until I started reading them on this forum. All I know is that the Epic FELT great to us....Tri-Zone or no Tri-Zone.
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I don't get all the negatives on Marquis' Tri-Zone therapy?? We wet tested HotSprings, D1, Jacuzzi, Sundance and of those we thought the Epic had the best therapy. Note, I said WE like the Epic...it's an individual thing. We weren't aware of ANY limitations until I started reading them on this forum. All I know is that the Epic FELT great to us....Tri-Zone or no Tri-Zone.
Most people don't understand the concept and are fine letting themselves be let to believe that it is outside the realm of how you want a massage when in reality it's exactly how a masseuse works on someone.
How about this, go set in one of the Rolling Massage Chair’s at Sharper Image and try to imagine if they had rollers working every part of your body at once. You wouldn’t be able to concentrate on one spot and it would not be nearly as relaxing…Try it once and you will agree!
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Oh, I hear you, Stuart. That's exactly right. I've had a masseuse do massage on me and that's exactly how they work. I don't know of a masseuse who has the hands to do my entire body all at once...HA!! and even if they could, you're right--I wouldn't be nearly as relaxed.
I know every spa has it features and selling points but I guess I'm just tired of hearing that Marquis' Tri-zone therapy is limiting--it's NOT. It's exactly how a therapeudic massage is done--one muscle group at a time.
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I just had my D1 Chairman installed. ( I bought it a while back but wasn't able to install due to construction issues)
I LOVE IT! Almost every night I'm out there watching the stars, relaxing.
Oh, and paid $6,495.
A Chairman or a Chaiman II?????
It costs me more than that wholesale with shipping, delivery and accessories for a C2 ??? ??? ??? ???
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I have an Aurora II that I have owned for almost 3 years. Love it!! My water is always crystal clear with very minimal maintenance (throw chemicals in 1-2 times a week)
Thought the spa was a bit pricey when I bought it, but am in it several times a week all year round