Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: obi wan on February 10, 2005, 04:21:18 pm
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going to wet test a jacuzzi 365 sat morning. local dealer has '04 model on floor for 6995. is this a good price?
also wet testing caldera niagra right afterward. it is an '04 model also, but is $8100. if both are comparable (comfortwise), im thinking, $1200 is a big difference...
had a question though....
i liked the jets in the caldera that can either be direct or swirling (veraSsage) and when the jacuzzi rep showed me almost the same kind of jet, i commented that i did like that feature, and had just seen it on the caldera, he said no, they dont have the same thing as jac. patented the jet.looks the same to me... is there a functional difference?? jac rep also said that caldera jets have a tendencey to strip and come out... any truth to that? or just more sales rep bs?
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“jac rep also said that caldera jets have a tendencey to strip and come out”
Ask your Jacuzzi Salesperson if they have had issues with their jets in the past year. Also, the Jacuzzi Jets only have a 1-year warranty. The Caldera has a 5-year warranty.
Read the fine prints of both warranties. You will see the warranty on the Caldera is a little bit better.
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Chris,
The Hyundai warrantee is 10 years, Rolls Royce, 1 year, which is better? ;)
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Considering the reputation of both brands. The Caldera has a better warranty.
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I do have to agree with you, the Caldera warrantee is pretty strong... ;D
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Chris,
The Hyundai warrantee is 10 years, Rolls Royce, 1 year, which is better? ;)
Is that true about Rolls?
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Yes sir, the Rolls warrantee is one year full. But 6 years on the jets. :o
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i understand caldera is great product, but i was a little suprised that clearance of '04 models is 5% off??? $8500 marked down to $8100??
i was going to put the purchase on a credit card (for the reward points) and just pay it off at once, but , i am aware that cc ttransactions typically cost the company about 1.5-2% transaction fee. if i use a check instead, or cash, could i get them to come down on the price?
even without the wet test, i am leaning more towards the caldera, even at $1200 more....
i am a frugal buyer, trying to get the best value for my buck. i know dealers are in biz to make $, but the mark up must be tremendous. i was going to offer cash or check, as a starting point, and see what they say.....any better ideas?
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He would definitely take 1% or 2% off if you paid by check. Probably even more if you paid in green bills.
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i am a frugal buyer, trying to get the best value for my buck.
Very well said, its all about value. Too many don't see the difference between value and price. That being said, its fine to ask here about haggling but you seem hesitant to ask those same questions to your dealer. Be up front with him/her with what you want as the worst thing they can do is say no. However, that wet test sure is a wise idea.
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i have cut sheets on both, cal niagra and jac 365. after reading brochures, is the jac 385 more comparable to the niagra, instead of the 365?
i was also just reading a post here from a few days ago about some one looking at a jasc 355 and a coleman... anyway they ref'ed getting a price of $6100 on a 365 '04 model. thats a far cry from the "clearance price" of $6995 i was quoted today....wonder how much talking cash will do....
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Oops I guess I should jump in here since I've sold Jacuzzi's for over two weeks now. ::)
keep an open mind and let the wet test guide your decision. Let us know how it goes.
Spahappy :D
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Chris,
The Hyundai warrantee is 10 years, Rolls Royce, 1 year, which is better? ;)
Hey, they both get you from point A to point B. I'm sure you get better gas mileage in the Hyundai and if you look at the Sonata or their other "higher end" vehicles you'd be surprised at how nice they really are. And 6 years from now either need a repair - the Hyundai still has a warranty that might cover it. Or I can buy another one and still come out cheaper in the end! Now that's VALUE!!!
But I thought you professionals said you can't compare cars to tubs ... ?
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Vin,
Chill out... I was only making this comparison to prove that the length of the spa warrantee does not dictate the quality of the spa.
Look at Cal Spas,... no, I take that back, don't waste your valuable time.
Back in the mid 80's, PDC Spas had a 25 year warrantee. That only covered if the shell leaked, not the plumbing.
Warrantees are tricky, you must read the fine print. :o
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speaking of warranties and shells.....most of those lifetime....(whatever that really means)....are for water loss....not cracking.....or blisters....and to have a shell lose water.......is pretty rare......so again it is a play on words......but sounds good during a sale presention....
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hottubber,
Sorry! I've read a lot of posts as to "the best" and what to buy and I can appreciate every dealer's allegiance to their brand but every so often someone comes out and says what you said.
The Hyundai analogy gets to me because the majority of the people use it as the POS while Mercedes is the best. Both fill a niche and Hyundai is a pretty nice car. The same can be said of tubs - all the different levels of tubs do fill niches, but not everyone can afford or want that $10K tub.
I think that if something is a POS then it should be pointed out AND THE REASON WHY.
I would think that Sundance/Jacuzzi would stand behind their defective product as Watkins would but maybe they wouldn't which to me would be a reason NOT to buy a Jacuzzi product or a Sundance product.
Vinny
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Kent - I have no experience with the Jacuzzi - but do have the Geneva - sister to the Niagra. Its a very nice tub and have had no problems so far. As for price - it seems to vary from region. I live in the North East and paid around 7400 for ours.
It also depends on xtras that each dealer is giving you with your purchase. Are both dealers giving you the same extras like - steps - cover lifter and chemicals ??
I would highly suggest to wet test - and yes - paying with cash should get you a bigger discount....
Hope this helps.
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Kent - I have no experience with the Jacuzzi - but do have the Geneva - sister to the Niagra. Its a very nice tub and have had no problems so far. As for price - it seems to vary from region. I live in the North East and paid around 7400 for ours.
It also depends on xtras that each dealer is giving you with your purchase. Are both dealers giving you the same extras like - steps - cover lifter and chemicals ??
I would highly suggest to wet test - and yes - paying with cash should get you a bigger discount....
Hope this helps.
Prices do vary region to region...and also what steps are you getting....what cover lifter.....not all the same....thats why I think generally speaking if you are within $500.00 of what most seem to be paying you are probably doing fine...you might even be the one on the low side of $500.00
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Its nice to be back but don't ask me why lol....I have seen the Jacuzzi J365s going for $6500 with Chems steps cover but no cover lifter.I have the jacuzzi J355 and do enjoy it alot.On one end it gets a tad bit hot i guess its because of the heater but its a nice feel since its around 10 degress at night and the seats are very wide.I keep the LED lights off so i can see the stars a bit better....If you can get the Jacuzzi for around $6500 you are getting a good deal....Save the extra money and go see Willie Alexander and The Boom Boom Band this sat night at the Middle East Club in Cambridge Mass this sat night Feb 19th....I will be the only one with a Camrecorder......Jt :D
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“jac rep also said that caldera jets have a tendencey to strip and come out”
Ask your Jacuzzi Salesperson if they have had issues with their jets in the past year. Also, the Jacuzzi Jets only have a 1-year warranty. The Caldera has a 5-year warranty.
Read the fine prints of both warranties. You will see the warranty on the Caldera is a little bit better.
Chris what is the Sundance warranty on jets? A few years ago I know it was two years on jets and diverters.
I think I remember reading here that they increased it. Can you verify that.
Thanks in advance!
Spahappy :D
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It is two years on the jets and diverters.
I wouldn’t worry too much about the warranty on the jets themselves due to the fact that they haven’t replaced more than 500 of their Fluidix/Vortex jets with over, I believe, 1,000,000 of them in the market in the last.
The diverters aren’t covered mainly because Sundance considers them a “wear item” like your headrests, filter, and filter cover.
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I am about to purchase an 05 J365 with cover/lifter/steps, and startup chemicals for $6,600 delivered and set up (minus the electrical). I was also the one that was quoted $6100 for the 04, but we decided to order the colors we wanted. I also looked at the Caldera, but the local dealer was set on his asking price which was about $2000 more. In the end the Jacuzzi has been the most comfortable tub we have tested (with Arctic and Hotsprings a close 2nd and 3rd). We have yet to purchase as we have a home show next week and want to see how aggressive they will get with the pricing.
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Go to the home show and look at the Gulf Coast spas....Enjoy the show and then get a Jacuzzi.Good luck Jt ;)