Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Gomboman on December 09, 2004, 01:27:43 am
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Chas or anyone else in the know. Are there going to be any changes or improvemnets for the 2005 Hotspring line?
Thanks
Gombo
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Know one will know until January 18th – 20th.
They are having their own dealer conference that week. I guess they think they are special. However, the main reason why they are having their own is because when Hotspring goes to a national pool and spa show they really do not accomplish anything due to the large amount of people that go through their display just to see what they have done for the next year.
Don't expect many changes from this past year.
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If I remember correctly, HS introduced MANY changes in the 2004 line. Maybe they want to let these changes settle in and make sure everything maintains well, before adding more features.
Just a guess.
-Ed
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If they make changes like in the past the spas will be pretty much the same for the next ten years.
Gary
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If I remember correctly, HS introduced MANY changes in the 2004 line. Maybe they want to let these changes settle in and make sure everything maintains well, before adding more features.
Just a guess.
-Ed
Ed is right, with the sheer number of changes HS made last year there will be a fair amount of in-field adjustment for a period. If they make any big changes my guess is it would be to revamp one of the new changes they've already made. Sometimes no amount of planning or testing can tell you how something will do in the market or how it will perform over time. The good thing with HS is they always step up to the plate...
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I started spa shopping just this year, and bought a HS Vista. I was at my dealer the other day and saw a 2 year old used Grandee he was selling and I could not believe the huge difference in looks between my new spa and the older one. Glad I waited.
Jonathan
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Ed is right, with the sheer number of changes HS made last year there will be a fair amount of in-field adjustment for a period. If they make any big changes my guess is it would be to revamp one of the new changes they've already made. Sometimes no amount of planning or testing can tell you how something will do in the market or how it will perform over time. The good thing with HS is they always step up to the plate...
Hey Stuart I have read a quite a few of your post and you are one smart dude. Maybe we will meet someday and swap stories (I will buy the beer).
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Hey Stuart I have read a quite a few of your post and you are one smart dude. Maybe we will meet someday and swap stories (I will buy the beer).
It sounds like Stuart has created a second username!
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It sounds like Stuart has created a second username!
LOL
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It sounds like Stuart has created a second username!
Actually, Gary has been posting for about 3 months longer than I have and I swapped stories with him quite a bit last year on spasearch.org. He’s a service tech from GA and is pretty blunt and to the point most of the time but seems very experienced! I have a hard enough time keeping up with one user name and one forum. Some of you post on several boards, I rarely have time to post anywhere but here and keep a presence!
;D
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Actually, Gary has been posting for about 3 months longer than I have and I swapped stories with him quite a bit last year on spasearch.org. He’s a service tech from GA and is pretty blunt and to the point most of the time but seems very experienced! I have a hard enough time keeping up with one user name and one forum. Some of you post on several boards, I rarely have time to post anywhere but here and keep a presence!
;D
I still post on spasearch occassionally, I find the lag time a little frustrating...I guess that is how they moderate. Chas lead me to new one recently. He is currently in a debate with JA on UL/ETL/ANSI.......
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I still post on spasearch occassionally, I find the lag time a little frustrating...I guess that is how they moderate. Chas lead me to new one recently. He is currently in a debate with JA on UL/ETL/ANSI.......
AGAIN!!!???
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AGAIN!!!???
My bad....Someone else, someone named Chas' Nemisis (not JA) rehashed it and I thought it was fresh. Turns out is was in March the debate occurred....
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which site are you talking about?
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which site are you talking about?
Chris cracks me up! You say James and debate in the same sentence and Chris is all over it, WHERE! WHERE!
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I'm going to share a few of the changes. A letter just went out to all the dealers, and it's on our 'Intranet' system, but I don't want to give out secrets. However, I can say:
Copper is out. Champagne is in. To the four of you out there who liked the Copper - sorry. Note: I have two Vistas in copper I'm trying to get rid of....
The shell color "Sand" is going to be available in HotSpring tubs.
All 2005 tubs will come with the color changing light feature.
Tiger Rivers can come in Gray siding.
There are several more changes I don't want to get busted for putting up yet. There are far fewer changes that the 38 or so we made last year!!!
Fun trivia: I picked up a 2005 Sovereign from the factory today !!
Now YOU'RE showing off! ;) ;D
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Can you tell us this... Any change in power on the Grandee?? That is the one thing that I like on the optima over the Grandee, could have all seats on with decent power at once but with the grandee you couldnt...
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Why doesn't HS update the Grandee with the newer pumps? Wouldn't it be easy to add the 2.5 HP pumps from the Vista to the Grandee? I hear some folks complaining about the weaker jets. If nothing else, it would be a marketing advantage.
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I agree the "low energy" thing doesnt cut it for me I mean the guarantee low energy costs with the Vista and it got the better pumps...
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But in the middle those "soothing seven" jets in one of the seats might as well be turned off. Dont get me wrong I might still buy the grandee but the lack of power at all seata all the time is a real hard thing to get over on a 9K tub. I want all the people in the tub to have plenty of power if they want it...
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Well, the wet test will tell you if it's enough or not. I recommend a LONG test though, many people are selling high-powered pumps and jets that can feel painfull after a moment or two.
The Vista will cost the same to heat as a Grandee, but the jets will use more power.
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"All the jets on at the same time" is a big thing to people who sell against us. We have models which do it: the Caspian is one. But think about it: any time you have more than two people in your tub at the same time, it's not about hydro massage - it's a social event. And if your friends are that important to you, I bet they won't abandon you just because they don't have all the jets on in their seat.
Of course, there's always the Vista and Envoy...... They have so many more jets that you can have jets (plenty of jets) on in every seat at the same time. No, not every jet at the same time, but you have seats with 10 or more jets, and you can have 4, 6 or 8 going.
Give it a wet test and see what you think.
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I am not being argumentative I did wet test and I am just wondering if the 2005 grandee might have more powerful pumps than the 2004?? If so I might hold out the wet test the 2005 if not I may look back at some others. Just wondering if they might have changed the pumps in the 2005 grandee not trying to start something
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ok thanks :(
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"All the jets on at the same time" is a big thing to people who sell against us. We have models which do it: the Caspian is one. But think about it: any time you have more than two people in your tub at the same time, it's not about hydro massage - it's a social event. And if your friends are that important to you, I bet they won't abandon you just because they don't have all the jets on in their seat.
Just my 2 cents. We checked out many many tubs over several months. At one time all the jets all the time was an issue. There was one spa salesman that brought up the issue about the footjet stream not being adjustable in the grandee. For us, the grandee is perfect. We have a friend that just bought the Vista and they think it is perfect. We have been in their Vista and they have been in our grandee. We all enjoy the company and the tub. But when it's just the wife and I our grandee hits the spot.
There's more than enough power. Most of the time we honestly just sit in the hot water without the jets on at all.
-Tom-
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So Chas,
My dealer couldn't answer my question about the new Moto Massage, is it field upgradable to the new double jets system on my '04 Vista?
:o ??? 8) :-[ ;)
Sounds like a nice improvement.
Jonathan
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So Chas,
My dealer couldn't answer my question about the new Moto Massage, is it field upgradable to the new double jets system on my '04 Vista?
:o ??? 8) :-[ ;)
Sounds like a nice improvement.
Jonathan
No. Not upgradable. The flow of the twin Moto is massive, there are plumbing changes to accommodate that - which is why it is only available on the HP tubs.
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I was afraid you were going to say that!
Darn.
Jonathan
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I have been looking at buying the Vanguard. The dealer in my area informs me that the new 05 will have two pumps as opposed to the 04 model. Is this true?
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Yes it is true. One of the seats will also have the new moto-massage.
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New moto massage?
How can they improve the moto massage? :o
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I have been looking at buying the Vanguard. The dealer in my area informs me that the new 05 will have two pumps as opposed to the 04 model. Is this true?
Wow a Vanguagrd with two pumps? Everyone I know who owns one says one pump works fine. However, from a marketing perspective this should help sales.
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I talked to a previous year Vanguard owner that said with the 1 motor, both Moto Massages did not work to full capicity???? She happened to be a Caldera sales rep though so I don't know how true that is.
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I talked to a previous year Vanguard owner that said with the 1 motor, both Moto Massages did not work to full capicity???? She happened to be a Caldera sales rep though so I don't know how true that is.
Well, not that it matters any more, but I'm afraid she had it wrong.
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Well, not that it matters any more, but I'm afraid she had it wrong.
Agreed...
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She was trying to sell me a Caldera and was supprised when I informed her that the new 05 Vanguard would have 2 pumps.
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Chas, is this true? A Vanguard Double Pumper? Spill the beans......lol......
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Double moto massage?? Does that mean 2 in one seat?? Will it be on the 05 Grandee??
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Double moto massage?? Does that mean 2 in one seat?? Will it be on the 05 Grandee??
Maybe it's quads? ;)
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Does dual mean that there are two like one on either side of your spinal cord or does it mean that there are 2 stacked on top of each other??
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From what I understand from shopping, one of the Moto Massages for the Vanguard is going to have to side by side hoses to hit both sides of the spinal cord. The other will be just like the 04.
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Double moto massage?? Does that mean 2 in one seat?? Will it be on the 05 Grandee??
No, not on the Grandee.
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Chas, is this true? A Vanguard Double Pumper? Spill the beans......lol......
I guess Chas would have to kill us :)