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Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: mjdieth on August 21, 2017, 10:50:29 am
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My head is starting to spin choosing the right tub. I now have initial quotes (no negotiations yet) for a Sundance Chelsee at 7800 + tax or a Bullfrog R7 at 7300 + tax. I am wet testing both this coming weekend but want to plan some of this in advance. The problem I have with the Bullfrog is that the lighting is pretty terrible and non existent. The Sundance just looks a lot better. I almost don't want the Bullfrog to feel good because the Sundance is more visually appealing. What would you guys do if this happens, do you go for a better feeling Bullfrog or the better looking and still not bad feeling Sundance?
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Looks are way down my list.
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I would go with the better feeling/therapy so a wet test will provide that for you.
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nobody cares about lights/waterfalls after 6 months...buy the spa that feels better
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nobody cares about lights/waterfalls after 6 months...buy the spa that feels better
True, i'm just very disappointed that the more expensive R series looks worse than the X series. It is really odd that Bullfrog went that route.
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I really like the new chelsee. It got a minor refresh for the '17 model - i think lighting and control upgrades (maybe that's considered a major refresh in the hot tub biz, it's all still kinda new to me). But the chelsee really has the feeling of a higher end hot tub. Closer to the Optima than ever. Even if it didn't get the upgrades, I would take it over the R7 because of the foot dome, the jets felt more powerful, and easier water care with a combination of UV, Ozone, and sun-purity mineral system which really allows you minimize chemical usage.
the bullfrog was a little more basic. Although I liked the composite frame construction and their made in USA story, the Sundance won almost every other category.
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While looks should not be at the top of anyone's list it won't necessarily be at the bottom either. Its like with my car, I mostly care about how it runs but in reality I do care with how it looks. Like it or not customers do picture what the tub will look like in their yard, what the lighting looks like in/out of the tub and even things like what kind of waterfall it has. A wet test is key but unless one shows itself to be an obvious winner over the other in the wet test then aesthetics will also play a part and understandably so to whatever degree it matters to the potential owner.
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I really like the new chelsee. It got a minor refresh for the '17 model - i think lighting and control upgrades (maybe that's considered a major refresh in the hot tub biz, it's all still kinda new to me). But the chelsee really has the feeling of a higher end hot tub. Closer to the Optima than ever. Even if it didn't get the upgrades, I would take it over the R7 because of the foot dome, the jets felt more powerful, and easier water care with a combination of UV, Ozone, and sun-purity mineral system which really allows you minimize chemical usage.
the bullfrog was a little more basic. Although I liked the composite frame construction and their made in USA story, the Sundance won almost every other category.
FYI...Ozone, Sun-Purity (silver ion cartridges) are items available on any spa and have been around for 15+ years and if you have an above average or heavy bather load you'll still use the same exact amount of traditional chemicals. We were a Sundance dealer for 20+ years...90% of our customer base stopped buying the UV bulb after about 2 years realizing it wasn't doing much of anything...I still have a bunch here I'll sell for cost + shipping if anyone wants them shoot me a PM
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While looks should not be at the top of anyone's list it won't necessarily be at the bottom either. Its like with my car, I mostly care about how it runs but in reality I do care with how it looks. Like it or not customers do picture what the tub will look like in their yard, what the lighting looks like in/out of the tub and even things like what kind of waterfall it has. A wet test is key but unless one shows itself to be an obvious winner over the other in the wet test then aesthetics will also play a part and understandably so to whatever degree it matters to the potential owner.
This was exactly what I was thinking. I know comfort is number 1, but even if it lacks in the slightest, I have to default to looks.
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and if you have an above average or heavy bather load you'll still use the same exact amount of traditional chemicals.
By this logic, if you have an average bather load you'll use less chemicals. Hence my point that you can use less chemicals than a bullfrog spa.
I like that Sundance designed their products specifically for the combination of UV light, ozone, and mineral cartridge. It holds value to me. I also like that my dealer supports this system for water care, and designed their own water maintenance to work with it. Part of my buying buying decision was based on which water care system is easier, not just from brand to brand, but from dealer to dealer.
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and if you have an above average or heavy bather load you'll still use the same exact amount of traditional chemicals.
By this logic, if you have an average bather load you'll use less chemicals. Hence my point that you can use less chemicals than a bullfrog spa.
I like that Sundance designed their products specifically for the combination of UV light, ozone, and mineral cartridge. It holds value to me. It might hold value to someone else who is on the fence.
I also like that my dealer supports this system for water care, and designed their own water maintenance to work with it. Part of my buying buying decision was based on which water care system is easier, not just from brand to brand, but from dealer to dealer. Each has their own quirks, and for me it came down to aligning with the right one and getting the right fit.
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My head is starting to spin choosing the right tub. I now have initial quotes (no negotiations yet) for a Sundance Chelsee at 7800 + tax or a Bullfrog R7 at 7300 + tax. I am wet testing both this coming weekend but want to plan some of this in advance. The problem I have with the Bullfrog is that the lighting is pretty terrible and non existent. The Sundance just looks a lot better. I almost don't want the Bullfrog to feel good because the Sundance is more visually appealing. What would you guys do if this happens, do you go for a better feeling Bullfrog or the better looking and still not bad feeling Sundance?
I agree with these guys. A better feel is way more important that a better look. But if the feel is good on both then........
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and if you have an above average or heavy bather load you'll still use the same exact amount of traditional chemicals.
By this logic, if you have an average bather load you'll use less chemicals. Hence my point that you can use less chemicals than a bullfrog spa.
I like that Sundance designed their products specifically for the combination of UV light, ozone, and mineral cartridge. It holds value to me. I also like that my dealer supports this system for water care, and designed their own water maintenance to work with it. Part of my buying buying decision was based on which water care system is easier, not just from brand to brand, but from dealer to dealer.
Did you end up getting a Sundance silver sun?
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Yup. I reconsidered sundance when I found out the new ones had an ABS base. I went with the Optima in coastal/platinum. I was very close to buying the Chelsee though.
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Yup. I reconsidered sundance when I found out the new ones had an ABS base. I went with the Optima in coastal/platinum. I was very close to buying the Chelsee though.
Optima is a great tub. Did you end up,going through NE Spas? Good luck with the new tub. When is it arriving?
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Thanks! I ended up going with Great Bay Spa and Sauna in Portsmouth NH. Easily the best dealer I worked with, and I went EVERYWHERE on the North Shore of Mass and southern NH. I must have visited 8-10 dealers in the area. They had the rare combination of:
- product knowledge (some sales reps knew less about the hot tub than I did). Great bay was extremely knowledgeable.
- listening skills. They were interested in what I thought was important, and didn't just launch into their sales pitch. I actually did most of the talking, which was rare.
- they gave a sh**, which I found to be in short supply among other dealers. They seemed to actually care that I was happy with the hot tub I purchased.
- they were open, honest, and transparent. Prices were on display right where they should be; directly next to the hot tubs. Explanations about why they took a certain decision to offer certain non-standard features was clearly explained, sensible, and truthful. They were also very clear about their policies and procedures.
all of that goes a really long way in an industry that I've quickly learned can be shady as hell.
It's arriving whenever we can finish the renovations on our house, so hopefully before december. So the delay will be on my end, not theirs. Thanks for all your help and will post pics when it arrives!
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all of that goes a really long way in an industry that I've quickly learned can be shady as hell.
I think shady is a miss characterization. Some dealers and manufacturers use half facts as I call them, to explain how theirs is better. And pricing is open to as much as you can get.
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all of that goes a really long way in an industry that I've quickly learned can be shady as hell.
I think shady is a miss characterization. Some dealers and manufacturers use half facts as I call them, to explain how theirs is better. And pricing is open to as much as you can get.
I've met with/tested out Caldera, 2 Bullfrog Dealers, D1, Jacuzzi, 2 HotSprings Dealers, and Marquis.
Each and every one of them told me they have the most energy efficient tubs on the market. They all told me their system provides the cleanest water. They all somewhat bashed all other brands a tad when I brought them up. Blah blah blah....sales tactics I guess
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I don't think it's a mischaracterization at all. I'm a consumer. As a first time hot tub buyer, after a month of visiting dealers in my area, it's my assessment. And I'd argue that it's probably more valuable of an assessment than an industry professional who's been in the business for years.
I'd only consider buying a hot tub from 4 of the 10 dealers I visited.
- one dealer said I could only wet test if I gave him my credit card and put down a $500 deposit on the hot tub in advance. Shady.
- the same dealer claimed I could get a discount on the tub because customers pay a deposit and then either does not want to purchase or can't afford to pay for the rest of it. Shady.
- my experience with the dealer asking to pay up front via check in the mail has been well documented here. Shady.
- Most dealers give prices reluctantly from their own closely guarded book - as opposed to displaying retail prices where negotiations can even start. Shady.
How can consumers even compare if they can't see one of the most important pieces of information they need to make a decision?
All of this gives a bad first impression to a new generation of hut tub buyers. Buyers who are resourceful, do their homework, and price compare. We also expect transparency and honesty. We can compartmentalize sales pitch and half truths, but we can easily sniff out total BS, and there was a lot of total BS, in my experience.
Dealers and industry professionals reading this can choose to ignore it if they like. Good luck in 5-10 years.
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Well, I could not wait until the weekend so I went and I tested 3 tubs last night; Sundance Chelsee, Bullfrog R7, Jacuzzi J-345. Although I originally liked the looks of the Chelsee better, the jest literally felt like I was being blasted with laser beams, hurt pretty bad. Even on the lowers setting it just did not hurt quite as much. The Jacuzzi was nice but more than I want/can spend right now. The bullfrog, although I really don't like the ambiance of the tub, felt the best by far. The jets actually seemed to have a purpose.
The only issue with all of them is that I could not stay in the seats, any of them at all. Initial quote on the Bullfrog was for $7350 + tax (no negotiation yet, how low should I go in at) That includes delivery, setup, acrylic jetpacks, circ pump, ozone. Not sure what to do anymore. I float in all of them so I guess just go with the best jets?
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Well, I could not wait until the weekend so I went and I tested 3 tubs last night; Sundance Chelsee, Bullfrog R7, Jacuzzi J-345. Although I originally liked the looks of the Chelsee better, the jest literally felt like I was being blasted with laser beams, hurt pretty bad. Even on the lowers setting it just did not hurt quite as much. The Jacuzzi was nice but more than I want/can spend right now. The bullfrog, although I really don't like the ambiance of the tub, felt the best by far. The jets actually seemed to have a purpose.
The only issue with all of them is that I could not stay in the seats, any of them at all. Initial quote on the Bullfrog was for $7350 + tax (no negotiation yet, how low should I go in at) That includes delivery, setup, acrylic jetpacks, circ pump, ozone. Not sure what to do anymore. I float in all of them so I guess just go with the best jets?
This certainly points to the importance of wet testing. Floating in the seats isn't ideal, are those your only options?
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This certainly points to the importance of wet testing. Floating in the seats isn't ideal, are those your only options?
Well, in my price range pretty much. I think there may have been too much water in them as well, so I think that will help a bit. When I sat in them the water was only about an inch from overflowing.
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Well, I could not wait until the weekend so I went and I tested 3 tubs last night; Sundance Chelsee, Bullfrog R7, Jacuzzi J-345. Although I originally liked the looks of the Chelsee better, the jest literally felt like I was being blasted with laser beams, hurt pretty bad. Even on the lowers setting it just did not hurt quite as much. The Jacuzzi was nice but more than I want/can spend right now. The bullfrog, although I really don't like the ambiance of the tub, felt the best by far. The jets actually seemed to have a purpose.
The only issue with all of them is that I could not stay in the seats, any of them at all. Initial quote on the Bullfrog was for $7350 + tax (no negotiation yet, how low should I go in at) That includes delivery, setup, acrylic jetpacks, circ pump, ozone. Not sure what to do anymore. I float in all of them so I guess just go with the best jets?
That price is pretty low on the Bullfrog. What does that include? Most dealers sell that in the mid $9k range with ozone, cover, delivery, steps, etc.
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Well, I could not wait until the weekend so I went and I tested 3 tubs last night; Sundance Chelsee, Bullfrog R7, Jacuzzi J-345. Although I originally liked the looks of the Chelsee better, the jest literally felt like I was being blasted with laser beams, hurt pretty bad. Even on the lowers setting it just did not hurt quite as much. The Jacuzzi was nice but more than I want/can spend right now. The bullfrog, although I really don't like the ambiance of the tub, felt the best by far. The jets actually seemed to have a purpose.
The only issue with all of them is that I could not stay in the seats, any of them at all. Initial quote on the Bullfrog was for $7350 + tax (no negotiation yet, how low should I go in at) That includes delivery, setup, acrylic jetpacks, circ pump, ozone. Not sure what to do anymore. I float in all of them so I guess just go with the best jets?
This certainly points to the importance of wet testing. Floating in the seats isn't ideal, are those your only options?
What about other models?
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nobody cares about lights/waterfalls after 6 months...buy the spa that feels better
True, i'm just very disappointed that the more expensive R series looks worse than the X series. It is really odd that Bullfrog went that route.
I just purchased the X8L and we loved it. It is a huge tub that can actually COMFORTABLY fit 6 without touching legs!
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I just purchased the X8L and we loved it. It is a huge tub that can actually COMFORTABLY fit 6 without touching legs!
What are the jets like in it? I will not have the opportunity to wet test that model and wondered if there are different kinds of jets and what they do as they all look the same to me. I cannot find any information about it other than the number.
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I just purchased the X8L and we loved it. It is a huge tub that can actually COMFORTABLY fit 6 without touching legs!
What are the jets like in it? I will not have the opportunity to wet test that model and wondered if there are different kinds of jets and what they do as they all look the same to me. I cannot find any information about it other than the number.
They are def. not JetPaks, but yet they are comparable to other models that sell in the same price points, basically you get 4 different varieties, the small bullet style jets, directional jets higher pressure jets, then 2 different types of "spinners" 1 which has a single 'head' and the other is a triple 'head'...nice thing about the X series is that you can control pressure on each individual jet (including the smallest ones) WITHOUT have to use diverter knobs which are a major fail point
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I just purchased the X8L and we loved it. It is a huge tub that can actually COMFORTABLY fit 6 without touching legs!
What are the jets like in it? I will not have the opportunity to wet test that model and wondered if there are different kinds of jets and what they do as they all look the same to me. I cannot find any information about it other than the number.
They are def. not JetPaks, but yet they are comparable to other models that sell in the same price points, basically you get 4 different varieties, the small bullet style jets, directional jets higher pressure jets, then 2 different types of "spinners" 1 which has a single 'head' and the other is a triple 'head'...nice thing about the X series is that you can control pressure on each individual jet (including the smallest ones) WITHOUT have to use diverter knobs which are a major fail point
Yes we really liked this feature...We tried the jet packs and honestly were not that impressed. We didn't think it was worth the extra money to be able to "switch out" jet packs. I didn't see value in it. The jets are great though in the X series. We were able to get the very large X8L for under $7,000 with stairs, chemicals and a cover lifter thrown in+installation.
We didn't think we wanted a lounger AT ALL...Until we wet tested the X8L and we fell in love with it and actually decided we NEEDED a lounger. If you are even considering it, ask the dealer to fill the tub for you to wet test. We had no issues with people helping us out with that. Just give them a few days to get it all set up.
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I just purchased the X8L and we loved it. It is a huge tub that can actually COMFORTABLY fit 6 without touching legs!
What are the jets like in it? I will not have the opportunity to wet test that model and wondered if there are different kinds of jets and what they do as they all look the same to me. I cannot find any information about it other than the number.
They are def. not JetPaks, but yet they are comparable to other models that sell in the same price points, basically you get 4 different varieties, the small bullet style jets, directional jets higher pressure jets, then 2 different types of "spinners" 1 which has a single 'head' and the other is a triple 'head'...nice thing about the X series is that you can control pressure on each individual jet (including the smallest ones) WITHOUT have to use diverter knobs which are a major fail point
Yes we really liked this feature...We tried the jet packs and honestly were not that impressed. We didn't think it was worth the extra money to be able to "switch out" jet packs. I didn't see value in it. The jets are great though in the X series. We were able to get the very large X8L for under $7,000 with stairs, chemicals and a cover lifter thrown in+installation.
We didn't think we wanted a lounger AT ALL...Until we wet tested the X8L and we fell in love with it and actually decided we NEEDED a lounger. If you are even considering it, ask the dealer to fill the tub for you to wet test. We had no issues with people helping us out with that. Just give them a few days to get it all set up.
There ya go, you are exactly the customer Bullfrog built that X series for...you appreciate a high build quality, good insulation, something that was built this side of the Mexican border, wrapped in a maintenance free structure and base....whereas the structural engineer who comes through with a binder full of Hot Tub research won't buy anything but a Bullfrog with JetPaks...different strokes for different folks, I'm glad you were able to find the product that was perfect for YOU.
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WITHOUT have to use diverter knobs which are a major fail point
In 30 years of servicing thousands of tubs I have fixed 6-7 diverters. Not sure if that qualifies as "major"?
I think the versatility and adjustment make diverters important if you want more adjustment options.
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Well I finally did it. Went back to the dealer yesterday and go in the X7, done deal. Platinum shell with gray cabinet, ozone, circ pump, full foam insulation, backlit jets, cover lift, steps, delivery and install. All for a grand total of $6818 out the door. Now I just have to wait about a month to get it in.
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Well I finally did it. Went back to the dealer yesterday and go in the X7, done deal. Platinum shell with gray cabinet, ozone, circ pump, full foam insulation, backlit jets, cover lift, steps, delivery and install. All for a grand total of $6818 out the door. Now I just have to wait about a month to get it in.
Congratulations! We couldn't decide between the grey or redwood cabinets because they both looked so nice, but we ended up going with the redwood. We did go with the platinum shell as well though. Will look very nice! Nice choice!
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Congratulations! We couldn't decide between the grey or redwood cabinets because they both looked so nice, but we ended up going with the redwood. We did go with the platinum shell as well though. Will look very nice! Nice choice!
Did you go with the circ pump and ozone? I can save $500 more if I don't get these, I hear both sides of it but cannot figure out if this is a good choice. Dealer is telling me it is fantastic.
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Did you go with the circ pump and ozone? I can save $500 more if I don't get these, I hear both sides of it but cannot figure out if this is a good choice. Dealer is telling me it is fantastic.
Get at least the circ. Especially on the X Series. I've been hounding Bullfrog about the inability to shut off Air on their non-circ pump spas and how it drives up pH when it's just circulating. The Circ solves that issue. Get it, and thank me later!
Plus, if you just like soaking without the jets, it will be 100% quiet versus having the jet pump run on low speed to maintain heat.
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Congratulations! We couldn't decide between the grey or redwood cabinets because they both looked so nice, but we ended up going with the redwood. We did go with the platinum shell as well though. Will look very nice! Nice choice!
Did you go with the circ pump and ozone? I can save $500 more if I don't get these, I hear both sides of it but cannot figure out if this is a good choice. Dealer is telling me it is fantastic.
The X8 I'm getting is a little bigger, but besides that I think it's nearly identical to the X7. I thought the circ. pump and ozone was standard and is included with my tub. I ended up getting everything you mentioned for $6800 (pretax) for the X8 if that helps you at all.
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Get at least the circ. Especially on the X Series. I've been hounding Bullfrog about the inability to shut off Air on their non-circ pump spas and how it drives up pH when it's just circulating. The Circ solves that issue. Get it, and thank me later!
Plus, if you just like soaking without the jets, it will be 100% quiet versus having the jet pump run on low speed to maintain heat.
Sorry for all the questions, but the manual is terrible. I have also read that I should not run the circ pump 24/7 or it will burn out. What is the point of it if I'm not doing this? How often should I run it? Also, does the ozone only generate when the circ pump is running, and if I do run it 24/7 does that mean that ozone is being dispensed constantly?
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Get at least the circ. Especially on the X Series. I've been hounding Bullfrog about the inability to shut off Air on their non-circ pump spas and how it drives up pH when it's just circulating. The Circ solves that issue. Get it, and thank me later!
Plus, if you just like soaking without the jets, it will be 100% quiet versus having the jet pump run on low speed to maintain heat.
Sorry for all the questions, but the manual is terrible. I have also read that I should not run the circ pump 24/7 or it will burn out. What is the point of it if I'm not doing this? How often should I run it? Also, does the ozone only generate when the circ pump is running, and if I do run it 24/7 does that mean that ozone is being dispensed constantly?
I'm also really curious about this...I have no idea how to turn the circ pump off/on. I thought the whole idea of the circ pump was that it would in fact run 24/7 and thus you don't need to run the jets as often to cycle/heat the water.
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@mjdieth - Where did you read that about the circ pump?
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@mjdieth - Where did you read that about the circ pump?
Not sure how to link so here is what I saw:
Ok... I have the Circ Pump. and Ozone. Conflicting information -
- Dealer said Circ will run 24/7 and filter cycles will run the pump 1 at low speed.
- BullFrog Tech Support says that the Circulation Pump should NOT be set to run 24/7 (it would overheat if allowed to run like this). The Circulation pump will be the only pump that runs per the FILTER 1 & 2 times that I've set except at the 1st 5 minutes it will run the pumps to purge the lines. Circ Pump will also run every 1/2 hour to check for temp and determine heat requirements.
He said the BF Circ Pump moves 3 times the water of the smaller HS type pumps and dedicates the line thru the filters w/ a 1/2" (?) pipe. I'll set my cycles to run 3 hours in the morning and 3 in the evening and see how that goes for now. Maybe 4 per cycle....
Response to this:
If you have the circ + ozone than it will operate as Bullfrog Tech Support described...3 hours per cycle is a great starting point....here in Minnesota I recommend 4 hours during the winter months and I haven't had any customer concerns...Bullfrog does use a good high density insulation and a lot of it due to the lack of plumbing "underneath the hood" so they are a good efficient spa.
I have no clue what to make of this. So if you have both circ and ozone you don't want to run 24/7???
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I disagree with Bullfrog on this. There are other companies that use that exact same circ pump and run it 24/7. Maybe just set it for 2x 8 hour cycles.
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I disagree with Bullfrog on this. There are other companies that use that exact same circ pump and run it 24/7. Maybe just set it for 2x 8 hour cycles.
I would like to run it 24/7 if I can, at least that justifies the point of getting it. About the ozone though, how do you control this?
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The ozone automatically turns on when the circ is on. Fyi, we run all of our Bullfrog circ pumps 24/7 and haven't noticed an abnormal failure rate.
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The ozone automatically turns on when the circ is on. Fyi, we run all of our Bullfrog circ pumps 24/7 and haven't noticed an abnormal failure rate.
I haven't received my X8L yet, so I don't know the answer to this, but is there a setting in the menu that allows you to change the circ. pump?
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I haven't received my X8L yet, so I don't know the answer to this, but is there a setting in the menu that allows you to change the circ. pump?
Did you happen to get the backlit LED jets? I think they look great on the floor, but not sure exactly how bright that will be at night in the Platinum tub.
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At first we were running all BF circ pumps 24/7. We did start noticing a lot of issues, primarily in the summer. (We are in AZ.) Summer is pretty darn hot here.
Pumps can certainly overheat in those temps. The other thing we noticed is that the filters would clog much faster. We now have them run between 8-12 hours a day, and have all the issues go away, and still have super clean water.
FYI, the owners manuals suck for BF. They literally tell you nothing about the "optional" circ pump and how it runs.
Essentially, if you have the circ pump, it will filter on the filter cycles (you should have two of them.) If the spa calls for heat, it will click on as well as long as it is in ready mode.
The circ pump should never be on your mind in regards to turning it on and off. You should set it once at the very beginning, and just let it do it's job from that point on.
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I haven't received my X8L yet, so I don't know the answer to this, but is there a setting in the menu that allows you to change the circ. pump?
Did you happen to get the backlit LED jets? I think they look great on the floor, but not sure exactly how bright that will be at night in the Platinum tub.
We decided to save the $500 and get the one without the backlit jets. there are a few minor jets that you miss out on as well, such as the wrist Jets in the captains chair and the butt jets in that same chair as well. Figured what is the point of having those lights if your back is pushed up against them while you’re in the tub
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At first we were running all BF circ pumps 24/7. We did start noticing a lot of issues, primarily in the summer. (We are in AZ.) Summer is pretty darn hot here.
Pumps can certainly overheat in those temps. The other thing we noticed is that the filters would clog much faster. We now have them run between 8-12 hours a day, and have all the issues go away, and still have super clean water.
FYI, the owners manuals suck for BF. They literally tell you nothing about the "optional" circ pump and how it runs.
Essentially, if you have the circ pump, it will filter on the filter cycles (you should have two of them.) If the spa calls for heat, it will click on as well as long as it is in ready mode.
The circ pump should never be on your mind in regards to turning it on and off. You should set it once at the very beginning, and just let it do it's job from that point on.
Since the manual says nothing about the circulation pump, how will I know how to adjust it and set it up? For example if I wanted to run it 12 hours a day.
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I believe all you do is just set the filter cycles as normal. Hot tubs with the circ pump don't change the programming language of the controller.
I had to call tech support because I was thoroughly confused the first time I messed with the circ pump cycles.
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So I know I already purchased this but it has not shown up yet and I have a question. On the X7, are the pumps 2 speed or 1 speed? I see specs on different sites stating either way, so now I'm not sure what I'm actually getting. Maybe pump 1 is two speed and pump 2 isn't?
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They are both 1 speed if you get the circulation pump. There is one 2-speed pump, and one 1-speed pump if you don't get the circ.
It's stupid, because they don't really tell you that.
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They are both 1 speed if you get the circulation pump. There is one 2-speed pump, and one 1-speed pump if you don't get the circ.
It's stupid, because they don't really tell you that.
What is the point having of the circ pump if the jets still cycle 2 hours, 2 times a day??
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They are both 1 speed if you get the circulation pump. There is one 2-speed pump, and one 1-speed pump if you don't get the circ.
It's stupid, because they don't really tell you that.
What is the point having of the circ pump if the jets still cycle 2 hours, 2 times a day??
Circ pumps are advantageous for utilizing ozone 24/7, being quiet and being energy efficient but you're correct, if you have one coupled with a 2 speed pump you shouldn't be running your larger pump 2 hrs, 2x/day. After a party where it got overly heavy use sure, but otherwise you are correct, what's the point!