Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: frankrom on August 07, 2017, 09:14:53 pm
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Hi Guys and Gals,
New here!! Looked like a good site to get the information I was looking for...
I am sure this topic has been discussed many times in the past... but as time goes on technology and manufacturing changes so I figured I should ask regardless.
I am looking for a hot tub (obviously) but one that is going to be good for the Canadian winter. I heard from a few people you want to really make sure you get a good quality hot tub for many reasons... but specially regarding the winter.
Can someone make some suggestions? Some of the things that catch my attention in a hot tub are listed below....
- Salt water system... figured it would be better for skins
- Self maintaining or monitoring
- Two loungers
- A hard top (capable of being walked on [kids])
- Seats minimum of 5 but ideally even more!
- Exterior to be made out of material that doesn't fade over time... I don't want to get in a situation of having to sand or stain my hot tub
- All the other obvious stuff like a good sound system, lights, etc
I am not sure what I need in the way of pumps, motors, etc... this is all very new to me.
Any assistance would be great. I did call Arctic spas and they made it sound like a system like that would be 15-20k seems excessive doesn't it?
Thanks,
Frank
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Check out Marquis Spas if you have a local dealer. In particular, look at the Signature Series. They will be great for the Canadian winter, and designed to last. They have a filtration/water management system that is very easy to take care of, cover that can be walked on, and a DuraWood exterior cabinet material, similar to Trex Decking that is as weather resistant as they come. Salt systems have mixed reviews, generally a bit more negative reviews than positive. I'm not a fan. You can achieve the same low chemical levels by using ozone and mineral cartridge systems, why build an expensive chlorine/bromine factory in to your hot tub? That's what a salt system is, it's a chlorine or bromine generator.
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Where do you live in Canada?
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I live 30 miles south of Lake Erie and we get 300” of snow / lake effect and temps as low as -30f the last few winters. I’m guessing we are about as brutal in the winter as much of Canada.
Part of it is the tub you buy and part of it is how you set it up and maintain it that makes hot tubbing in the north enjoyable. We use ours when subzero outside and it is wonderful.
We looked around a fair amount and ended up buying a Caldera Geneva. For a lot of reasons and winter usage was one of them. First I liked the insulation system they use. It is a dense pack fiber not a sprayed in foam. It is called fiber-cor. In the event of a leak one of the sides can be removed indicated by where water is appearing under the tub as water drains straight thru this material. The insulation can be pulled out and put in a bag the repair made and the same insulation stuffed back in. it has excellent R value and that’s a plus in energy costs in the winter keeping the tub hot. It also came with a high quality cover. Kids shouldn’t be walking on top of any hot tub so that wasn’t a factor for us. The second feature Caldera puts in these tubs I liked was a split GFCI breaker panel they provide with the tub. Ours has a 50 amp line run to the panel from our main panel in the house and then from there to the tub there is a 20a and a 30a power feed. The 20a runs the heater and the 30a the rest of the tub. Hot tubs keep the water in the tub warm for a long time because the tub is insulated. The equipment area is not insulated as the motors need cooling when they are running and the pumps and feed lines for the tub are in this area also. If the heater fails in the coldest time of the year the water in the tub will stay warm for a week with the cover closed. The equipment compartment will cool quickly. Our tub will go into survival mode when the heater fails and the pumps will slowly circulate water from the tub keeping the pumps and lines from freezing for several day and give you ample time to get a service call in and the heater replaced.
All most all tubs now have low maint. exteriors, and lots of bells and whistles with lighting etc. You have to find a tub that suits your expectations. For example we have one lounger and love it and share it. We wouldn’t want two however as a lounger takes up the space of two seats and works certain areas of the body. Our tub is what they called a circuit tub where each location has a special job and exposes a different amount of your body to the air for cooling down. The lounger is the most immersive seat and after 15 minutes you are ready to sit up and change seats and cool down a little. The way to find what you like is wet testing. No one can advise you what you will like there.
We would have loved our tub out away from the house under the stars. But I didn’t see that as practical with our weather. It is no fun being in a tub in a cold rain or windy winter storm. On the other hand we wanted a view and didn’t want the tub indoors for all kinds of reasons. So, we set it in a sheltered corner just one step outside our door with a covered pergola above 10 months of the year we have a wonderful view of the woods and watch the snow drift down. The worst two months or if the weather is storming I have soft side covers I can pull shut to break the wind and cold. I have a hose handy for filling the tub and I have a selector in the house to feed it both hot or cold or mixed water. The hot works great for filter cleaning and also ice removal from the steps and cover.
In the cold weather I go out and shovel snow and de-ice and open the tub. We shower then and jump right in. if the tub was 50’ from the house and buried in snow I know I would say forget it.
That’s how we do it I hope that helps answer a few of your questions.
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Thanks guys...
I live in Mississauga
Where do you live in Canada?
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You might stop in to Jameson Pool & Spa in Mississauga. Good luck in your search!
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No opinions on brandsor quality except the one?
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Thanks guys...
I live in Mississauga
Where do you live in Canada?
I live in Northern Minnesota and not many people live in the parts of Canada that are colder than here. Stick with a reputable brand that is fully insulated and spring for extra if its available inside and in the cover and you will be fine.
Arctic is fine but there are others just as well insulated.
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I already bought into the idea of getting a quality tub. I am trying to get suggestions on good quality brands similar to that of arctic spas.
Can someone please recommend some brands worth calling. I already acknowledge the rest.
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Hot spring, Marquis, Sundance, Caldera, Jacuzzi, Bullfrog, Dimension one, Artesian. All quality brands.
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What about Arctic Spas? A home grown Canadian product specially designed for cold Canadian winters.
https://www.arcticspas.com/
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What about Arctic Spas? A home grown Canadian product specially designed for cold Canadian winters.
https://www.arcticspas.com/
LOL
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Arctic was already mentioned, he asked for more.
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Arctic was already mentioned, he asked for more.
Thank you lol. Glad some are reading the post. Seems as if getting brand recommendations is harder than I expected. Lol
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i didn't think it was too hard. :o But unfortunately i have only soaked in a few tubs. Our friend has a HS and he hasn't complained of any cold weather problems. All of the top tier tubs actually should give you no problems as mentioned above and the problems cold weather brings with it will have to be dealt with no mater what tub you get.
Marketing I thinks paints a false picture of people in cold climates enjoying nature in the tub. it is really nice but they never show them in that 32 degree rain storm.
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Arctic was already mentioned, he asked for more.
Thank you lol. Glad some are reading the post. Seems as if getting brand recommendations is harder than I expected. Lol
Its hard because there are a lot of quality brands. What's good for me may not be for you. It's a very personal thing if you want it to feel good. There are a ton of sales people here that will tell you there's is the best. That means nothing to you.
The energy usage of the top 5 brands will be relatively close to the same with Hot Springs winning hands down in energy efficiency. Their small magnetic circulation pump and fully foamed cabinet are very efficient. Combine small energy efficient pumps and well engineered plumbing with that and they win. But the rest are mostly so close that it should be figured out of your equation to comfort first. And as long as you pick one of the 5-10 high end brands (yes Arctic falls in there) Longevity should also be close on all those brands.
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Hydropool is amazing.
Exactly what you are looking for, and are actually made RIGHT in Mississauga.
You want to look into the Self-Cleaning line, I recommend a Model 570-800 would be ideal for you.
You can get a salt system, cabinets are made of ever last material, (do not corrode to weather conditions).
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What brands are "best" is irrelevant. The question is- And what the real pros on here know- is what brands are located NEAR YOU? As others noted, everyone wants to push their brand. What good is that if that brand isn't represented by a dealer that is in your area, will supply warranty work, and will be helpful for you for the life of your tub? Half of every purchase is the brand, but the other half is the dealer.
Find out who is close, what they carry, what *FEELS* good (both in sitting and wet testing the jets) and only then ask us about what you have to choose from. That cuts out the salesmanship on bot your end and this end. Because really: Are you going to buy a tub w/o a dealer, or a tub that doesn't feel comfortable to sit in, or who's jets hurt?
I hope this helps. Good luck moving forward.
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Hydropool is amazing.
Exactly what you are looking for, and are actually made RIGHT in Mississauga.
You want to look into the Self-Cleaning line, I recommend a Model 570-800 would be ideal for you.
You can get a salt system, cabinets are made of ever last material, (do not corrode to weather conditions).
Your honor, I rest my case.
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Hydropool is amazing.
Exactly what you are looking for, and are actually made RIGHT in Mississauga.
You want to look into the Self-Cleaning line, I recommend a Model 570-800 would be ideal for you.
You can get a salt system, cabinets are made of ever last material, (do not corrode to weather conditions).
I know the big marketing pitch for Hydropool is that they are a self-cleaning hot tub. Can you expand on this and tell me how they self-clean more than some of the other brands on the market?
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Hydropool is amazing.
Exactly what you are looking for, and are actually made RIGHT in Mississauga.
You want to look into the Self-Cleaning line, I recommend a Model 570-800 would be ideal for you.
You can get a salt system, cabinets are made of ever last material, (do not corrode to weather conditions).
I know the big marketing pitch for Hydropool is that they are a self-cleaning hot tub. Can you expand on this and tell me how they self-clean more than some of the other brands on the market?
It's pretty b.s.
They have a skimmer and a floor drain basically.
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Hydropool is amazing.
Exactly what you are looking for, and are actually made RIGHT in Mississauga.
You want to look into the Self-Cleaning line, I recommend a Model 570-800 would be ideal for you.
You can get a salt system, cabinets are made of ever last material, (do not corrode to weather conditions).
I know the big marketing pitch for Hydropool is that they are a self-cleaning hot tub. Can you expand on this and tell me how they self-clean more than some of the other brands on the market?
It's a pretty nice sellable feature in the swim spas imo, spas not so much....in the swim spa you basically have a large triangular "plate" at the end of the unit and twice per day 'sweeper jets' automatically kick on to push debris towards said "plate" which is basically the same thing as a main drain in a traditional in-ground pool. So again in a larger swim spa it is nice to have both 'topside' and 'main drain' style suctions to improve water turnover/filtration and to maintain cleanliness but again in 350 gallon 7' x 7' spa it doesn't really do much of anything for me. Just my .02