Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: ebirrane on August 04, 2004, 01:18:48 pm
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we wont consider anything else
so dont comment unless its about
bullfrog
costco imperial or rivermist (jacuzzi)
island spa
thermospa
NO arguments there. Costco is the way to go.
-Ed
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Well from the posts Ive seen on various spa lists, no one seeks to be very happy with the Costco tubs, nor the ones from Lowes, Home Depot. Stick with the Bullfrog, at least its well known and you can get service done easier.
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When I was shopping I saw an Island Spa in a Marquis showroom , a bahama I think. It looked out of place and it wasn't filled with water so I didn't pay it no mind.
Two weeks later I am at our neighbors and they have a new spa - it was the Island Spa I saw. I don't know about Island spas but I must admit I was impressed when I got in theirs. The experience was comparible to most of the big name tubs I've wet tested but they paid several thousand less. Nice Tub.
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I can tell you the the Imperial Spas have the following warranty
5 year shell structure
1 year shell surface
1 year componets
I have a copy of it I can send!
We are a spa dealer in central Mo.
Sundance,Sweetwater,Artesian-Island Spa,
Island Spa is a build to order custom Spa with many options!
If we can be of help,E-Mail suncoast7727@socket.net
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I'm not sure where you got the info on Costco’s warranty but this is right off of their website.
Warranty:
Five-years on shell structure; one-year on shell surface; one-year on electronics, plumbing, parts and labor
So is this.
The spa will be delivered to your residence, unloaded and placed on your curbside, driveway or in your garage (depending upon accessibility) no further than 25' from your residential street.
I'm not a fan of any of the brands you mentioned but least of all the Costco spas. These are the same spas that Home Depot dropped for problems, they could not keep up with the damage and returns nationwide so they quit selling that brand.
Now to put that warranty into perspective even if it is lifetime. in the late 80's I had a Nissan Pickup with a 7 year 70,000 mile warranty. It was in the shop for a week to 2 weeks every month until I got rid of it and bought a Chevy truck with a 3 year 36,000 mile warranty. That truck now has 285,000 miles on it and I have been without it less than 4 weeks total for the last 20 years due to problems. The length of the warranty is by far not as important as what is covered and how. I have spent less than $500 in the last 20 years for actual repair parts on any spa I've owned (that's total for all spas and all parts combined) but would have easily spent thousands on labor had I not been able to perform the work myself.
Do yourself a favor, find a dealer you feel comfortable with and buy from them. A good dealer can make the purchase of even a mediocre spa a positive thing.
Good luck, let us know in about a year after owning any one of those brands how you like it. (BTW, that’s an invitation not a jab)
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Warranty for Costco tubs-beware!!!
Warranty Limited
This Limited Warranty is extended to the original purchaser of an Imperial brand spa, manufactured after January 1,
2003 and installed for residential use in the United States of America, Canada and Mexico.
WARRANTIES FOR OTHER COMPONENTS
The spa cover, light bulb, light lenses, fuses, headrests, cabinet fi nish
and fi lter are warranted to be free of defects in workmanship and
materials at the time of delivery.
PERFORMANCE
To obtain service in the event of a defect covered by this Limited
Warranty, notify Jacuzzi Spa Division (the “Manufacturer”) as soon as
possible and use all reasonable means to protect the spa from further
damage. Upon proof of purchase, a designated service representative
will correct the defect subject to the terms and conditions contained in this
Limited Warranty. There will be no charge for parts or labor to repair the
defect, although providing access to effect the repair is the responsibility
of the spa owner. The spa owner may be assessed reasonable costs of
travel. If the Manufacturer determines that repair of the covered defect
is not feasible, it reserves the right to provide a replacement spa instead,
equal in value to the purchase price of the original spa. In such an event,
costs for removal of the original spa, shipping costs from the factory for
the replacement spa and delivery and installation of the replacement will
be the responsibility of the spa owner. The replacement spa will carry
the balance of the original spaʼs warranty, if any.
WARRANTY LIMITATIONS
This Limited Warranty is void if: the Manufacturer or its designated
representative determines that the spa has been subjected to alteration,
neglect, misuse or abuse, or freight damage caused by the common
carrier; any repairs have been attempted by anyone other than a
designated representative; or if the failure is caused by accident,
acts of God or other causes beyond the control of the Manufacturer.
Neglect, misuse and abuse include any installation, operation or
maintenance of the spa other than in accordance with the instructions
contained in the ownerʼs manual provided with the spa, including
but not limited to the failure to maintain proper water chemistry and
chemical balance and the use of abrasive or improper cleaners. This
Limited Warranty does not provide coverage for any item attached to
or installed on the spa after the date of manufacture, or for gaining
access to any component for repair or replacement. Spa units used in
a commercial application are excluded from any coverage whatsoever.
The spa owner accepts liability for repair work performed by anyone
other than the Manufacturer or its designated service representative.
LIMITATIONS
This Limited Warranty takes the place of all other warranties,
express or implied, in fact or at law, including implied warranties of
merchantability and fi tness for a particular purpose. All warranty
service must be performed by the Manufacturer or its designated
representative. No agent, dealer, distributor, service company or
other party is authorized to change, modify or extend the terms of
this limited warranty in any manner whatsoever. The Manufacturer will
not be responsible for any statements or representations made in any
form that go beyond, are broader than, or are inconsistent with any
authorized literature or specifi cations furnished by Jacuzzi Spa Division.
DISCLAIMERS
The Manufacturer and its representatives shall not be liable for any
injury, loss, cost or other damage, whether incidental or consequential,
arising out of any defect covered by this limited warranty, including
without limitation, loss of use of the spa and cost for removal of
defective product even if the Manufacturer was advised of the possibility
of damage. The liability of the Manufacturer under this limited warranty,
if any, shall not exceed the original amount paid for the defective
product. Coverage under this limited warranty shall commence as of
the original date of purchase and the duration of such coverage shall
not extend for any reason whatsoever beyond the stated time periods.
These disclaimers shall be equally applicable to any service provided
by the Manufacturer and its designated representatives.
LEGAL RIGHTS
This Limited Warranty gives you specifi c legal rights. You may also
have other rights that vary from state to state. Some states do not allow
limitations on how long an implied warranty lasts, so this limitation may
not apply to you.
5 Year Shell Structure
Imperial spas are warranted against water loss due to defects in the spa shell for fi ve years from the original date of purchase.
1 Year Shell Surface
Imperial spas are warranted against blisters, cracks, or delamination of the interior surface of the spa shell due to defects in
workmanship or materials for one year from the original date of purchase.
1 Year Components
Imperial spasʼ controls, mechanical equipment, ozone generator, cabinet and plumbing are warranted against malfunctions due to
defects in workmanship or materials for one year from the original date of purchase except if noted below.
Jacuzzi Spa Division • 14525 Monte Vista Avenue, Chino CA 91710 • (866) 245-3387 377437
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Im not Mad,just didn't Know Costco gave you an extended warranty past the factory warranty.I have been a Costco shopper for years.
Thanks
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By the way,all I wanted to do is to offer you some info on the
tubs you were looking at,ie-Isalnd Spas
Thanks ::)
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oceanboyzz
Please, in spite of those you requested feedback from, purchase the Costco tub with the information you were presented and relying upon to be accurate. It is your money and up to you to make the decision you feel best. How did it feel upon wet testing?
OnMedic
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Just a customer here, read my previous posts, but I think you are way over the top.
Buy what you want to buy. I don't think you will listen to anyone, no matter what they have to say.
Yes, some dealers are bad, but the ones who frequent this board gain NOTHING for answering your questions. Unless you happen to live in their town and near their dealership. I got information from a dealer (who is no longer a dealer) in Canada. I live in Oklahoma! Too far for me to drive and get a spa!! Too far for him to deliver a spa! He gained nothing by giving me his opinions on tubs that I was looking at!
Maybe you should buy the Costco, or Bullfrog, soak a little and ease up.
Just my opinion. I wouldn't have bought a tub from Costco (which has no warehouse or store in my state) or Sam's. Personally, I am not mechanically inclined, I liked the idea of having a dealer take care of me! But I know there are people who have bought these tubs and love them. They have to work on them if something goes wrong, but that is fine with them, so therefore, fine with me!
You need some hot, bubbly water!!!
Good luck!
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You seem to have your mind made up, so go get that Costco tub.
They're going to refund your full purchase price 20 years from now if you want them to, so what do you have to loose?
Brewman
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I'm biting my tongue here. Seeing as us salespeople, dealer reps, and owners in some cases are not concidered consumers just like everyone else. Were all just crooks.
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Agree with Brewman. You ask for advice, then dictate the advice you want to hear. Oh well.
You need to look at the spa manual. When I looked at the Imperial at Costco, the manual was left lying on the tub. The manual told the employees how to sale the tub, and what pitches to use to demonstrate it's advantages. The manual stated all warranty was between the purchaser and Imperial. It specifically stated not to contact Costco. The sign behind the service desk in my local Costco says 30 Days to gladly refund your money on purchases. Buy it and try it. I personally feel it's worth a thousand bucks not to have to worry about getting it in location, and not have to move it myself for 5 years. I'll let my Caldera dealer worry about it.
Good Luck.
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we wont consider anything else
your loss.
any ideas please be detailed
Pointless to provide detailed ideas.
so dont comment unless its about
bullfrog
costco imperial or rivermist (jacuzzi)
island spa
thermospa
See my previous post about Thermospa - YUK! Costco. You get what you pay for - Good luck.
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log in with your membership
read the warranty
thats the manufacture warranty ONLY
call costco
they cover full warranty after the manfuctures
expires
how hard headed is this person
doh
None of them understand. Buy the Costco tub.
-Ed
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Oceanboyzz,
I too have been seaching for a spa for months, and under great pysical and emotional duress as well. I must say it has been a very tough road for me with dealers in my area. My previous post, 'dealers not helping me buy a hot tub', covers only a half of what seems like an unending saga.
However, if it wasn't for the buyers and dealers on this board, I think I would be hibernating by now, unable to face yet another dealer.
My quest has nearly ended with a final soak scheduled in the spa I planned to buy on Saturday at a dealership 2 hours away. We are spending more than we had originally planned, but with confidence that the spa will last us a long time without problems. Even though we had to travel so far, the trust in my dealer if we have problems has taken a great burden off my shoulders for the future.
When my tub gets here, all I'll have to do is soak and I know I'll have help from someone I trust if I need it.
I agree that once you get in your tub, whatever you buy, all this stress will melt away. My only point is that your not alone with having this whole hot tub thing turn into an ordeal and over the top stress when your hurting already. Believe me.
We will get through this and the tub WILL help keep us keep alive and sane!
IMO, the folks on this board really mean to help, just as I do as a fellow shopper. Sometimes they type a little harshly, and the dealers get heavy on their own products...but all in all you can learn a great deal.
Anyway, about the Bullfrog. I have never seen one but my Marquis dealer stopped selling them because he had to service them so much. I loved the Marquis tubs and found them to be very well made excellent therapy tubs with no bells and whistles to pay for. I would highly reccomend them and would probably be soaking in my yard in one by now if the dealer hadn't pushed the 'buy today or the price goes up tomorrow ' tactics. With the load I'm already under, the last thing I need is additional pressure from a hot tub dealer. Marquis also has a less expensive 'Everyday line' but I'm not sure if the models would be deep enough for you.
Anyway, just my thoughts as a fellow shopper. I truly hope your saga ends soon! Let us know.
I on Heaven
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Oceanboyzz,
IMO, the folks on this board really mean to help, just as I do as a fellow shopper. Sometimes they type a little harshly, and the dealers get heavy on their own products...but all in all you can learn a great deal.
Ion Heaven
Usually the original poster dictates the type of response they get. Oceanboyzz set the original tone.
Participating in these forums isn't for the sensitive or easily hurt. Put on your asbestos underwear and jump in.
Brewman
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ok enough is enough
all i have to say to these people is
CALL COSTCO Customer Service
dont listen to me
dont listen to the people saying its not true
if you even care to find out
these dealers will say anything to get you to buy there product and that is a huge huge turn off.
ive been reading posts for months and have found that
to be true
Lets make a game of this...for $5 Can anyone find the contradiction in the above quote?
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Is this guy nuts or what?To think Costco is going to warranty there tubs for life!!They even tell you not to call them,insted
call Jacuzzi direct for service.
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What's really sad is that someone actually believes that Costco's satisfaction policy allows them an unlimited time span to return something.
As Buggs Bunny says, "Sheesh, whatta maroon"
Brewman
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Dear "huh?"
Please stop trying to make sense. This forum is populated by nothing but dealers trying to sell their wares and posing as customers.
Everyone knows that a hot tub is nothing more than a shell filled with hot water, a small electric heater, and a few pumps to push water out of the jets.
Companies like Sundance and Hot Spring make millions selling these things for $9-$10k. Except that they also make $4k-$5k versions of their tubs, but oceanboy has seen through all of this.
He understands that at Costco they will service his tub for the next 55 years. We've got someone who is on to all of our hot tub games. Let's allow him a pass, we won't sucker this one. Let him buy the costco hot tub and this forum will collectively try and trap the next, less savvy customer.
-Ed
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Okaaay,
But I JUST HATE IT when one gets away.
Brewman
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Huh,
I think Ed was being facetious!!!
The brand you sell? No, I don't believe I remember, I know you said at one point, but you seem to give logical and reasonable advice. I, for one, am glad to see another dealer here who is level-headed and truly willing to help!!!
Glad to have you here!!!
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Ed-
I have looked over your past posts and feel that you definately add something to this site. If I took your post in a demeaning way and was incorrect...I sincerely appoligize for responding with sarcasm and hope you do not take insult to it...If I was right, all the same. Thank you Ed and thank you Lori.
-Cheers
ps. I never mentioned which brand I sell.
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No. I was totally serious. For the price I spent on my grandee I could have bought 2 or 3 COSTCO tubs. Then, I could have one at each temperature in which I enjoy soaking. Maybe one at 96 degrees, one at 99 degrees, and then one at 102 degrees.
::)
No offense meant or taken.
-Ed
ps. Please stop trying to make sense of posts in this thread. All sense went out the window given the first post. :D
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wow - a lot of chatter about costco tubs, but nothin' from anyone who owns or has owned one...
That's because buying from Costco doesn't fit this forum's model; almost all of the members here are of the dealer model and they believe in that model. "Pay a bunch more for a premium dealer relationship because if you don't... yer screwed!."
Is the "dealer relationship" worth that extra cash? or does the one who paid for it have to justify it? That's for you and your pocketbook to decide.
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The extra money is for the fact you're getting a better spa and you'll have a dealer there for your needs. There is nothing wrong with a Costco tub unless you want to convince yourself its just as good of a spa as the premium brands out there when in reality its really a budget spa. Dollar for dollar its fine as you certainly don't pay as much but if I'm going to buy a spa for relaxation and its going to serve my needs to the next 10-15 years I'm going to make sure I treat myself, but that’s nothing more than what works for me.
In my driveway I have a car that I bought last year new for $11k as it gave me what I wanted, a small 4-door commuter car with very few frills. Next to it is the $30k family van we bought a few months prior to that which is loaded with everything we wanted. Both were great buys for me and each serves its purpose. If I could have only had one vehicle I would have had to weigh my needs versus my desires and probably would have settled for something in between. A spa buyer has to decide what they need, what they want and what they're willing to spend.
BTW, anyone who thinks they're really getting a lifetime warranty on their spa can send me $10 and I'll promise to be their best friend for life.
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Can you say "TROLL"?
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Damm, I hope I never contract Lyme disease. Look what it does to a person.
Sorry oceanboy, a pun at your expense; but you've done nothing but come off as a turd from the getgo and you expect advice and help?
I think everyone agrees: BUY THE COSTCO!!!!!
Turn it back in for your full refund when you tire of it.
Let us all know how it goes.
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i have deleted all my post
and hope I didnt bug anyone
with my questions
i took this board serious and
have became more stressed over the dealers posts
my original post was a question and nothing more.
lyme disease is a terrible disease
and does affect my reasoning and ability
to make correct decisions with the help of my
family and friends i will be in good hands.
thanks to the customers who were polite enough
to send a up beat post you know what health
problems do to a person..
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oceanboyzz,
Hope you are still reading as a guest. For some reason I didn't see a "reply" button on your private message. Maybe because you unregistered? ???
I'll happily answer your questions. Feel free to e-mail me at birrae@yahoo.com.
-Ed