Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Sorrentino100 on December 01, 2015, 06:51:28 pm
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This would be for a factory ordered, brand-new 2015 Bullfrog A8 equipped with a cover, optional circulator pump and ozone generator. That's it. It would be picked-up at the dealer.
I've seen posts here with an out-the-door price in the low $9xxx. I'd purchase at that price.
Please let me know if you have a lead on a dealership where this is possible.
Thanks!
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Tell your dealer this.
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I've seen posts here with an out-the-door price in the low $9xxx. I'd purchase at that price.
I would quite easily, and politely decline this offer. That deal for a dealer... I would beg the question as to why would I sell it at all?
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This would be for a factory ordered, brand-new 2015 Bullfrog A8 equipped with a cover, optional circulator pump and ozone generator. That's it. It would be picked-up at the dealer.
I've seen posts here with an out-the-door price in the low $9xxx. I'd purchase at that price.
Please let me know if you have a lead on a dealership where this is possible.
Thanks!
You missed the A8 for A7 price deal a month or so ago.
Good luck.
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That's a $12k spa all day. $9k is a laughable amount for a dealer to take especially on a special order tub. Dealers need to make money to stay in business.
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There were a few links here in which a couple of people were in the 9xxxk range. Dealers in this area are selling an A8 for $15,695.
Please explain how a dealer ordering a tub is considered a special order and would be more expensive.
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http://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/forum/index.php/topic,18955.15.html
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Please explain how a dealer ordering a tub is considered a special order and would be more expensive.
Typically rock-bottom blowout prices are seen on "Truckload Sale" or floor models or in-stock tubs that the dealer is more motivated to clear out for a bargain price than a factory fresh special-order tub. The local Sundance dealer said that they had the best prices because the owner orders truckloads of tubs at a time and therefore gets preferred pricing from the factory. (Of course, to get that deal we had to choose one of the color/accessory combos that were already in-stock or coming in on one of the truckloads.) Now whether that is true or a bunch of sales BS, who knows! :)
We bought our Jacuzzi during a special Truckload sale and they had a list of the incoming tubs in the computer that we had to choose from. Ours was supposed to be Platinum/Silverwood, which it showed on the screen and was the combo we wanted, but it came in Platinum/Mahogany and no one noticed until they were loading it on the truck to deliver it to us 2 1/2 months later! I still to this day don't know if it was wrong in the computer or if they mixed up my tub and delivered it to someone else. Or if the deal we got was too good so they decided to give us whatever they had left.
I imagine that would be much less likely to happen on a special-order, but conversely you're likely to pay more.
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There were a few links here in which a couple of people were in the 9xxxk range. Dealers in this area are selling an A8 for $15,695.
Please explain how a dealer ordering a tub is considered a special order and would be more expensive.
If the dealer truly understands his costs of doing business an ordered tub has a lower cost to the dealer than one that has sat on the floor for months. The markup on tubs is very high...kind of like RVs/Campers and furniture. Find a motivated dealer and get a deal. I did....and since then several of my friends have as well.
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If the dealer truly understands his costs of doing business an ordered tub has a lower cost to the dealer than one that has sat on the floor for months.
That's not necessarily true. If I order 1-6 tubs, my freight is A LOT higher than a full truck. The only time I order that few, is a special order deal. The other thing is you typically get breaks for ordering full trucks other than freight, like special truckload pricing, or terms. The tub that is sitting on the floor however, could be racking up a lot of money for the bank if the dealer is on some kind of flooring plan, therefore, a better deal is always an instock tub. Typically...
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There were a few links here in which a couple of people were in the 9xxxk range. Dealers in this area are selling an A8 for $15,695.
Please explain how a dealer ordering a tub is considered a special order and would be more expensive.
so go find those links and track down the 1 bullfrog dealer on the planet who doesn't like making a profit and buy it
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$9k on an A8 is ridiculous. If you get one for $11k you still got a fantastic deal. Real world price for that spa is in the upper $12k range.
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If the dealer truly understands his costs of doing business an ordered tub has a lower cost to the dealer than one that has sat on the floor for months.
That's not necessarily true. If I order 1-6 tubs, my freight is A LOT higher than a full truck. The only time I order that few, is a special order deal. The other thing is you typically get breaks for ordering full trucks other than freight, like special truckload pricing, or terms. The tub that is sitting on the floor however, could be racking up a lot of money for the bank if the dealer is on some kind of flooring plan, therefore, a better deal is always an instock tub. Typically...
That is a perfect explanation. I always get full price on a single tub special order. When I buy tubs I get them by the truckload which saves me money which I will pass along to the consumers.
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http://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/forum/index.php/topic,18955.15.html
You might want to send this person who got the tub for $9k a message (use the "my messages" option above) and ask some questions including where he is located of course!
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I did call the dealer that was suggested in a prior forum. There current price is $12,800, plus tax. That is if I pick it up.
I spoke with another dealer and they told me that I would save $100 if I waited for it to be shipped on a full truck order. He added that the list price for an A8 with a circulator pump and ozone generator is $17,207.
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That is a perfect explanation. I always get full price on a single tub special order. When I buy tubs I get them by the truckload which saves me money which I will pass along to the consumers.
It's interesting that our dealer was able to discount, on single, special orders, 3 different tub models at 3 different times in the last 3 months. The next closest dealer offered the very same prices without haggling.
38% discount or better on all 3 tubs.
There's a *ton* of markup on these. You just have to find a dealer who isn't trying to hit a home run on every sale.
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If the dealer truly understands his costs of doing business an ordered tub has a lower cost to the dealer than one that has sat on the floor for months.
That is a perfect explanation. I always get full price on a single tub special order. When I buy tubs I get them by the truckload which saves me money which I will pass along to the consumers.
It's interesting that our dealer was able to discount, on single, special orders, 3 different tub models at 3 different times in the last 3 months. The next closest dealer offered the very same prices without haggling.
38% discount or better on all 3 tubs.
There's a *ton* of markup on these. You just have to find a dealer who isn't trying to hit a home run on every sale.
What do you mean by 38% discount? Off MSRP or off some inflated starting number they give you? I price my tubs aggressively but yeah I'm in this to make money so I'm not giving these things away. There isn't as much money in hot tub sales as you would think. If all I sold was hot tubs I'd have to raise my prices to account for my expenses. That's why so many dealers have to diversify into other things like pools, patio furniture or what not
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Our Jacuzzi "MSRP" was $19995 (CDN) and we paid about $12400 so that equates to a 38% discount, if you believe the MSRP which seems to be a moving target.
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What do you mean by 38% discount? Off MSRP or off some inflated starting number they give you? I price my tubs aggressively but yeah I'm in this to make money so I'm not giving these things away. There isn't as much money in hot tub sales as you would think. If all I sold was hot tubs I'd have to raise my prices to account for my expenses. That's why so many dealers have to diversify into other things like pools, patio furniture or what not
MSRP which as Amy pointed out differs from one dealer to another and Bullfrog corporate was not willing to quote an actual hard number either. Of the 4 dealers I spoke with, the MSRP on our tub only differed by a few hundred dollars.
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What do you mean by 38% discount? Off MSRP or off some inflated starting number they give you? I price my tubs aggressively but yeah I'm in this to make money so I'm not giving these things away. There isn't as much money in hot tub sales as you would think. If all I sold was hot tubs I'd have to raise my prices to account for my expenses. That's why so many dealers have to diversify into other things like pools, patio furniture or what not
MSRP which as Amy pointed out differs from one dealer to another and Bullfrog corporate was not willing to quote an actual hard number either. Of the 4 dealers I spoke with, the MSRP on our tub only differed by a few hundred dollars.
MSRP doesn't really mean much. For some manufacturers it's legitimate but most are asinine prices.
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What do you mean by 38% discount? Off MSRP or off some inflated starting number they give you? I price my tubs aggressively but yeah I'm in this to make money so I'm not giving these things away. There isn't as much money in hot tub sales as you would think. If all I sold was hot tubs I'd have to raise my prices to account for my expenses. That's why so many dealers have to diversify into other things like pools, patio furniture or what not
MSRP which as Amy pointed out differs from one dealer to another and Bullfrog corporate was not willing to quote an actual hard number either. Of the 4 dealers I spoke with, the MSRP on our tub only differed by a few hundred dollars.
MSRP doesn't really mean much. For some manufacturers it's legitimate but most are asinine prices.
That's part of the problem. Since the manufacturer won't disclose prices it encourages dealers to do whatever they want with prices which puts the consumer on the defense. RV dealers used to do this all the time and I'm sure some still do. All it does it breed an environment of contempt towards the dealers. Really dumb business model.
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I think the business model will change soon enough. It just takes one manufacturer to get brave enough to start doing it, then the others will follow suit.
To your earlier comment av8r, this is not a high volume business. And in low volume businesses, you have to make margin to provide service, or even stay in business. Please do not assume that a dealer is ripping you off if you aren't buying it for cost. For goodness sake, if I could provide service, pay the staff, and put food on my family's table while giving Bullfrog A8's away at 9k, 10k, or whatever you consumers think is "fair," I totally would! I just simply can't.
I don't try to hit a home run with every sale... which I think in your terms means... "screwing over the customer." What I do try to do is make sure I make the margin I need to to keep the doors open, while making sure I remain competitive with the market.
I think your comments breed more contempt towards dealers than the manufacturers long-standing, and admittedly out-dated business model.
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I think the business model will change soon enough. It just takes one manufacturer to get brave enough to start doing it, then the others will follow suit.
To your earlier comment av8r, this is not a high volume business. And in low volume businesses, you have to make margin to provide service, or even stay in business. Please do not assume that a dealer is ripping you off if you aren't buying it for cost. For goodness sake, if I could provide service, pay the staff, and put food on my family's table while giving Bullfrog A8's away at 9k, 10k, or whatever you consumers think is "fair," I totally would! I just simply can't.
I don't try to hit a home run with every sale... which I think in your terms means... "screwing over the customer." What I do try to do is make sure I make the margin I need to to keep the doors open, while making sure I remain competitive with the market.
I think your comments breed more contempt towards dealers than the manufacturers long-standing, and admittedly out-dated business model.
Your points are valid. My experiences with this, while limited, were similar regardless of what brand the dealer carried. Obfuscated information on MSRP, little discounting offered, many knew little about the details of the product they were selling or gave incorrect information even while they professed to have been a dealer of that brand for decades. Today's consumer has access to so much information that many approach a large purchase like a vehicle or Spa by researching online, in forums like this one and by calling not only the dealers, but the manufacturer of the product. While I realize not all consumers will research at the same level, the expectation by the dealer should be to prepare for them like they will. Your point that these are low volume businesses only further supports this as when you get the opportunity to speak with a potential customer, you want to be the guy or gal who blows them away with your knowledge of the product, support, etc. If you're not that person, someone else may be and is likely to get the sale. This is how you remove pricing from the equation...or at least diminish its priority in the discussion.
Hitting a home run doesn't mean you screwed anyone. If you're a dealer you should be able to determine the range of pricing you're able to live with and sell within that range. Some sales will be home runs and some will be less. The factors that determine the range will be different for each dealer, hence the ability for some to discount more.
I've found that if you look, you can find a dealer, no matter the product, who will work with you and find a price that allows them to sell a unit, make a profit and gain a new customer. Since we bought our tub I have referred 4 people to our dealer, who is tiny and in the middle of nowhere. 2 of those people have bought tubs from him. All 4 had never heard of BullFrog until I spoke to them. Sometimes, you have to look beyond 1 sale to see the bigger picture. My dealer recognized this and reaped the rewards.
When we were camping, I found a dealer that sold the brand of fifth wheel we liked and who offered to give us a deal. Every dealer says that, right? When we were ready to buy a year later I called around to the locals (including Campingworld a HUGE volume dealer) and got pricing. I went in to negotiate (cash, no trade) and found most dealers unwilling to discount much. I called the dealer a few hours away who I had met and they offered an ordered unit for more than $5000 less than the locals. Even the Campingworld guys said there is "no way I could buy it for that" Well...we did buy it and subsequently bought 5 other campers from that same dealer over a 10 year period. We also referred dozens of people there, many of whom bought campers and remain customers. I'm sure some of those people also referred friends to the dealer...you get the idea.
Point is, there is always someone who will work with you. Finding them might be a challenge, but they are out there.