Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: brillskill on April 10, 2013, 01:47:08 pm
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ecoone,any good?
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For what? Thinning your wallet? Works great!
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Thx for your insightful info
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There are a couple of people n this board who use it. To me it's kind of expensive for wht it is. It's not an oxidizer so you still need to use chlorine with it. My tub I use dichlor in it and have found it easy to manage.
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So if I need chlorine..what is the point of it..it's not a sanitizer?
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No it's not a sanitizer. I am pretty sure it's also not EPA approved. It cuts. Down on the amount f chlorine needed
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So if I need chlorine..what is the point of it..it's not a sanitizer?
They say a thick wallet is bad for your back.
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From the site ...Eco One can act as a replacement for, or greatly reduce your need for the vast majority of your spa-care chemical regime. One bottle of Eco One Monthly in conjunction with a non-chlorine shock treatment will effectively keep your spa water crystal clear and odor free for 30 days or more....so I guess it can work without chlorine..
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hmmmmmmmm, interesting "guess".
"Eco One can act as a replacement for, or greatly reduce your need for the vast majority of your spa-care chemical regime"
Perhaps this just refers to water clairifiers and stain and scale inhibitors?
"effectively keep your spa water crystal clear and odor free for 30 days or more"
Where in that does it say it's kills bacteria...at the rate required by the EPA to be classified as a sanitizer?
Their site also says, "Using the ecoone® SPA system will eliminate or reduce the need for harsh chemicals to maintain a spa such as metal removers, clarifiers andscum digesters." and "Works with most sanitizers such as mineral cartridges, dichlor and bromine."
Is see nothing there regarding longer a need for chlorine or other sanitizers.
Also from their site..."MAINTAIN SANITIZER LEVELS: Safety first – Bacteria love a warm water environment (SEE SANITIZERS, Page: 5.)"
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you think they mean just use shock once in a while,,maybe after using the tub?
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That's what I do anyway? I dump a small amount of dichlor in after I soak. I also use some baking soda to adjust alk/PH. So if those what are considered chemicals? I guess the term chemicals scares a lot of people. That's how they sucker people into buying very expensive stuff that really doesn't do much if anything. I wonder if the "chemicals" in my chocolate chip cookies will kill me?
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Is dichlor chlorine?
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dichlor is a form of chlorine, the form most commonly used in hot tubs. It is actually sodium dichloro-s-triazinetrione dihydrate, but dichlor for short.
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Thx Sam,so a relatively easy method is a little chlorine after soaking some arm and hammer for ph and maybe shock after a lot of people in the tub?
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Thx Sam,so a relatively easy method is a little chlorine after soaking some arm and hammer for ph and maybe shock after a lot of people in the tub?
That is a very easy and sure way to keep clean water. However depending on your water you may or may not need Arm and Hammer. Diclor has a tendency to drive down PH and Alk (this makes your water acidic) The baking soda brings it back up. The human tear has a PH of 7.2 But anything from about 7 to 7.8 is acceptable. Once you learn your water it can be very simple to drive up PH and Alk at the beginning to say 7.6 and then allow the dichlor additions to drive it back down to say 7.0 Then simply add a cup of baking soda and walla it's back at 7.4 Of course the amount of dichlor (sanitizer) you use may change based on use. I like to bring my chlorine level to 5-7 PPM after every soak. Sometimes that takes 2-3 TBLS. I don't soak every day so in say 2-3 days the level is down to .2 PPM no smell with the very low level. In some instances. I only add 1 TBLS and the level gets to say 2-3 PPM Then maybe I soak the next day. I have even used more because I knew I wasn't soaking for 4-5 days. It is something you will learn with time.
It's at the point now. I add a cup of baking soda at a fresh fill and 3 TBLS of dichlor. I don't even test the water. I soak and add dichlor for a couple weeks and then I test the water. It's usually perfect at that point. Clean the filter every other week or every 4-6 soaks. I keep a spare and just change out. I also drive up my chlorine PPM to 10 (shock) after about 6-8 soaks. This takes a few days to get down before I will soak again. By this time 20 soaks or so I have to add more Arm and Hammer. 1 Cup, I change water every 3-4 probably closer to 4 months. This is Minnesota so I change water as late in the fall/early winter as I can, usually late Nov early Dec. I wait till late April early May to change again. Then likely twice during the balance of the year depending on use. Pretty simple. I test with a Taylor test kit about 2-3 times during a water cycle 3-4 months. Don't even really need to do that it's so predictable.
1 user mostly, 1 hour soak (3 beers) occasional guests maybe 1-2 times during a water cycle.
Without knowing your PH and Alk readings from the faucet I can't say whether this will be the same for you.
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Product works great; my levels are always spot on. I simply toss in a packet when we get out; and once a week, two packets on Wednesday or Thursday. I don't test much anymore, no need to. Pretty simple. :)
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A packet of ecoone shock?..do you use the monthly stuff?
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Yes; the two products you will need are their Spa Monthly and their OneShock packets. Spa Monthly, one bottle per month (sometimes I forget and go longer), and I toss in a packet of their OneShock when I get out; then just one day a week when getting out, I toss in two packets (which they recommend).
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The ecoone® ONEshock™ product is nothing more than 0.25 ounces of Dichlor in a pre-measured self dissolving packet. So what you are buying is the convenience of these pre-measured packets. They recommend one packet per 250 gallons and they say to wait 5 minutes and test the chlorine level which should measure 2-3 ppm, and that one should maintain 2-3 ppm FC in the spa by adding more packets as needed in between soaks. Note that one packet would roughly handle approximately 25 minutes of soaking for one person so for a typical 20-30 minute soak using one packet per person should work about right. Note that you need to add more packets (chlorine) in between soaks to maintain a residual. I'm assuming the 0.25 ounces is for the Dichlor contents; if it's the weight of the packet, then there is less chlorine in each packet than I described.
So this really isn't any different than using Dichlor-only except for the convenience of the packets. One will still get a buildup of CYA in the water though their monthly "SPA monthly" product is a clarifier that will reduce the inevitable cloudiness that would result from the CYA buildup causing chlorine to not oxidize bather waste quickly enough in more heavily used spas.
The Dichlor-then-bleach method is much less expensive and the water lasts a lot longer between water changes, but it's obviously not as convenient since it doesn't have pre-measured packets.
The full instructions for the ONEshock product are as follows:
DIRECTIONS FOR USE
1. Chlorinate: With jets running, add .25 oz. (one, ONEshock� dissolving packet) of this product per 250 gallons of water. Wait 5 minutes, then check chlorine residual. Residual chlorine must read between 2 to 3 ppm.
2. Maintain: This product should be added daily or as necessary to maintain 2 to 3 ppm residual chlorine. Frequent checks should be made of residual chlorine using a reliable test kit. Allow at least 5 minutes mix time before sampling. Note: Heavy bather usage or the use of oils or lotion may increase the chlorine demand of the spa or hot tub resulting in the need for more frequent checks of chlorine residual.
3. Check pH: pH should be monitored with a reliable test kit and maintained at 7.2 to 7.8 range for clean, sparkling water. pH can be decreased by adding a suitable agent such as sodium bisulphate or increased by adding a suitable agent such as sodium bicarbonate.
4. SUPER-CHLORINATION: It is good practice to super-chlorinate each 2 to 4 weeks. To super-chlorinate, add 1/2 oz. (two, ONEshock� dissolving packets) of ONEshock� for each 250 gallons of water. Thoroughly clean spa, vacuum and cycle through filter. Resume program when chlorine residual reads 2 to 3 ppm.
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pre-packaged and overpriced...buy chlorine and shock in bulk then go to the dollar store and buy some plastic measuring spoons and save yourself a bunch of money per year vs. buying ecoone
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That's true on price. The ecoone® ONEshock™ product is $18-$21 per pound for Dichlor (and that pound might be including the weight of the packet material -- not sure about that) compared to $7.50-$10 per pound for Dichlor sold in small spa quantities and $6.25 to as low as $3.38 per pound in larger pool size volumes. Some people don't want to handle or smell concentrated chlorine product, though I don't know if they are willing to pay at least 2x for that benefit.
If people want an even lower price for chlorinating their spa, then nothing beats Dichlor-then-bleach since once one switches over to bleach after roughly a week, the price is the equivalent of $2.87 per Dichlor pound for a 3 quart Clorox bleach at Walmart or less for off-brand bleaches (that are still at least 6% bleach).