Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: chriswindsor on March 16, 2013, 12:19:56 am
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I live in Wisconsin and I need to replace a 25 year old inside the house Sundance hot tub spa that came with my house when I bought it. I am new to purchasing hot tubs and I am trying to learn. After doing some online / dealer research and measurements, I concluded that the Sundance Marin hot tub was a good fit for my needs and size constraints (can't go any bigger and don't really need to). I had very good experiences with my current Sundance so would like to stay with the brand.
I have initial un-negotiated offers from 2 different dealers for $9695 and $9199 for a 2013 Sundance Marin. Both offers include Cover, Cover Lift, Spa Step, Chemicals, UV Clear Ray System and Old Tub Removal / New Tub Delivery & Setup. Both dealers are well established have received good reviews from my friends. I am planning to return to both dealers shortly and perform final negotiation / purchase.
Does anyone have any constructive advice on what is a fair price range for a 2013 Sundance Marin or tips help to negotiate the price down to a fair value?
Thanks
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Those are fair prices on the Sundance Marin with
all of the other items included. That's about where
we are at here in Columbus, Ohio.
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Thanks for the confirmation. While negotiating with the dealer he mentioned there is a new 2013 Sundance spa coming out mid April called the Montclair that is very similar in dimensions and features to the Marin but lower in price. Does anyone have any information on this new tub?
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I have been doing a lot of research lately and spoken with several unbiased professionals who say that Sundance USED to be the best and that in the last few years production has gone to Mexico and quality has gone way down.Ownership of Sundance has changed hands.certainly worth considering.Cadillac used to be the best auto in the world and then had about a 20 year run of producing total crap.Just my 02.Worth looking into.Not sure what other dealers/options you have in your area.Might want to consider Marquis/Jacuzzi/Hot Spring.For indoor applications Marquis has a lot of bang for the buck in their middle tier products like the 6-7 k range and having a tub inside you don't need to worry about the absolute best insulation/frame components etc. which is usually what seperates the Top tier from the Middle.Of course therapy is always the best on Top tier,but compared to a 25 year old tub you will be blown away by anything new.
Good luck sir.
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The new Sundance 780 Series Montclair will be the same size
and layout as the Marin. The primary differences are that the
Montclair will not have the "SilentAir" Injection System, nor the
"I-Touch" Control Panel, and not quite the same jet selection.
Regarding post concerning Sundance's quality. We have been
representing their spas for quite some time and have not seen
the drop in quality that was mentioned by the "unbiased professionals".
Also of note is that of the aforementioned brands to consider,
Jacuzzi Hot Tubs, are manufactured by the fine team at Sundance Spas,
in the same facilities.
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What an interesting comment. The investment company that owns Sundance, they purchased Jacuzzi a few years earlier. Sundance and Jacuzzi are made by the same company, in the same factory, side by side.
I have been doing a lot of research lately and spoken with several unbiased professionals who say that Sundance USED to be the best and that in the last few years production has gone to Mexico and quality has gone way down.Ownership of Sundance has changed hands.certainly worth considering.
Might want to consider Marquis/Jacuzzi/Hot Spring.
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Hey guys I hope I am totally wrong about Sundance but people who had no reason to sway me made those comments.
Interesting,I wonder why?
Oh well,got a used Grandee and really loving it.Awesome Spa.
Happy tubbing to all.
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Hey guys I hope I am totally wrong about Sundance but people who had no reason to sway me made those comments.
Interesting,I wonder why?
Oh well,got a used Grandee and really loving it.Awesome Spa.
Happy tubbing to all.
Any time I see "a professional told me some thing" and not telling what kind of professional this is always makes me wonder why. Doing research is a great way to learn about a product. Some people come on here to learn and if you have info that will help others learn that is great. But coming on here with info from a "professional" with out backing it up does no one any good.
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The "Professionals" in question were a Spa Salesman friend of mine who HIGHLY recommended Hot Spring and an independent repairman that I lined up for an objective inspection before I bought my used Spa.I was not in negotiations to purchase anything from either one of them,just seeking advice.
I had previously been steered away from a Cal Spa and I am very glad that I was.
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You do realize that Sundance and Jacuzzi are made in the same place by the same company right? I'm not a Jacuzzi dealer or a Hot Springs dealer but I too have heard the same from a few independent tech's I know and from a Sundance dealer who I know that also sells another brand
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All good guys-I was just repeating what I had been told.If I was misinformed I stand corrected.
And I am definitely just a guy who bought a used Hot Spring and not a dealer-not trying to sway anyone at all.
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It's ironic how "made by the same parent company" is a valid point for sundance & jacuzzi but not for aquaterra and free flow..both by Watkins..
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It's ironic how "made by the same parent company" is a valid point for sundance & jacuzzi but not for aquaterra and free flow..both by Watkins..
You are learning grasshopper.
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It's ironic how "made by the same parent company" is a valid point for sundance & jacuzzi but not for aquaterra and free flow..both by Watkins..
They are for the most part very similar and possibly identical. I didn't realize people on here said otherwise. The main difference between the two is big box store buying versus hot tub speciality store
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Lol..Dog!....not u hottub guy..
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Lol..Dog!....not u hottub guy..
I have learned brillskill that any product that Watkins makes is the BEST (I was told by a professional so it has to be true) Unless they are sold from BIG BOX STORES.
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Again ..a professional hot tub salesman..one can dream:)
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Again ..a professional hot tub salesman..one can dream:)
You'd be surprised how many college educated people make a good living in this industry and enjoy what they do. Maybe it makes you feel better about your life looking down on the people who come here offering help and advice. I don't understand the animosity.
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I do, there are condescending a-holes all over this great country.
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It's just the opposite..you guys bash every opinion any one makes unless its by a "professional "..I respect anyone who works at any job..but it's hard to respect someone who thinks he or she knows it all...
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Are you good at your job? And do you feel you do the best you can and are skilled in what you do? Do you have a lot of experience over the years that has taught you the things you need to know to be good at what you do?
Why would it be any different for a hot tub professional?
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It's just the opposite..you guys bash every opinion any one makes unless its by a "professional "..I respect anyone who works at any job..but it's hard to respect someone who thinks he or she knows it all...
Thats just not true, the spa owners here get a great deal of respect from spa pros and many of the owners are very helpful to new shoppers. The situation that has arisen lately is the exception and it really was started by one peson who gets off on causing issues and acting like he is in the right and even thinks hes some kind of comsumer advocate lol. The spa pros here do a great job as do the long time owners who frequent this site.
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It's just the opposite..you guys bash every opinion any one makes unless its by a "professional "..I respect anyone who works at any job..but it's hard to respect someone who thinks he or she knows it all...
Thats just not true, the spa owners here get a great deal of respect from spa pros and many of the owners are very helpful to new shoppers. The situation that has arisen lately is the exception and it really was started by one peson who gets off on causing issues and acting like he is in the right and even thinks hes some kind of comsumer advocate lol. The spa pros here do a great job as do the long time owners who frequent this site.
And both of them each came here looking for advice and really didn't like what they heard! ::) Many of us "professionals" were here long before they came around, and my guess is we will be here after they are gone. It would be great if the almighty Terminator would chime in and put these guys in their place. LOL! I don't consider myself a "professional" as most of us don't here, but we do know WTF we are talking about!
I don't know what brillskill does, Don't really care. He could work at McDonalds for all I know, Brimmerdog is a "sales" rep for Ping or so he says, no reason to doubt him. I just find it odd you guys need to come here and stir up chit! We are here to help people and give honest information about spa's and advice about chems and service related issues plus whatever else might come up!!
Not really sure why you guys are here other than to just stir up trouble here and there. You both have bought your spa's and I hope are happy with them. Many come and go with the info they were or were not looking for. Neither of you really know chit about hot tubs yet you feel the need to hang around and put your crappy 2 cents worth in.
So curious what the story really is? Oh and your mom called down and said switch the laundry over!!
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Jim..all I did (and read all my posts) was give my opinion on a tub I bought and a couple of Costco tubs I've been in that friends and family have..just an opinion nothing more nothing less..but because I'm not a hot tub salesman or professional my opinion means chit..keep insulting me guys ...
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Yeah I have read your post, that Geo spa one was interesting. You should re-read that one and tell me you feel the same way. Either way I am done with you! Just another troll that will be gone in time!
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Jim..all I did (and read all my posts) was give my opinion on a tub I bought and a couple of Costco tubs I've been in that friends and family have..just an opinion nothing more nothing less..but because I'm not a hot tub salesman or professional my opinion means chit..keep insulting me guys ...
Because our 30 years of experience makes our opinion different than your 6 month old experience with your tub then WE are the ones who don't know chit. No one ever said that your value tub or the value tubs sold through Costco were nothing other than what they are. An inexpensive option to a higher quality, better build, better backed more expensive option from your local dealer.
Oh and by the way everyone here knows that I don't feel Hot Springs are the best option out there. And if you'd like specifics it is because they use to many proprietary parts and are over priced. However they make a fine tub with a long standing reputation for reliability and longevity. And those two things you won't get from Wayfair or Costco.
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Hey Jacuzzi Jim get your facts right. I have never said I was a Ping "sales" rep. I said I'm a Ping Demo Tech.
It's really funny how you type one thing to me in a message.....remember this..... "Nice question, You notice how defensive the HS guy gets about it and why many of them don't want to even put their 2 cents worth in? It is a good system and a great sales pitch, but it really in the long run doesn't have a leg to stand on and they know it. I love debates like that, I only wish I could write my thoughts out better than I can talk about it" Keep working at it you will get better.
I speak my mind and I stand by what I type. If I am proven wrong I will be the first to say I was wrong. Just because some one doesn't have a hot tub store doesn't mean they can't add an opinion on what they have found in their ownership, research on hot tubs. I don't say things in a message that I won't say to some one on here or if I met in person would sit down and have a fun debate about the subject.
I don't and never will hide behind behind a keyboard. If all this site wants is for hot tube dealers to give answers then thats how they should set it up. Until then get used to people like me and brillskill to stick around.
By the way dip chit my mom passed away so I would really appreciate it if you would leave her out of any conversation.
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Hey Jacuzzi Jim get your facts right. I have never said I was a Ping "sales" rep. I said I'm a Ping Demo Tech.
It's really funny how you type one thing to me in a message.....remember this..... "Nice question, You notice how defensive the HS guy gets about it and why many of them don't want to even put their 2 cents worth in? It is a good system and a great sales pitch, but it really in the long run doesn't have a leg to stand on and they know it. I love debates like that, I only wish I could write my thoughts out better than I can talk about it" Keep working at it you will get better.
I speak my mind and I stand by what I type. If I am proven wrong I will be the first to say I was wrong. Just because some one doesn't have a hot tub store doesn't mean they can't add an opinion on what they have found in their ownership, research on hot tubs. I don't say things in a message that I won't say to some one on here or if I met in person would sit down and have a fun debate about the subject.
I don't and never will hide behind behind a keyboard. If all this site wants is for hot tube dealers to give answers then thats how they should set it up. Until then get used to people like me and brillskill to stick around.
By the way dip chit my mom passed away so I would really appreciate it if you would leave her out of any conversation.
Yes I do remember that and I still feel the same way, always will. If you dig back far enough you will see that in my post and the heated debates we use to have about such things. And sorry you are a "Ping demo tech" I have talked to many, they fit you for clubs then try and sell you the latest and greatest. Not sure but it sounds a sales rep to me. As far as your mom it was said tongue and cheek, FWIW I lost my dad when I was 8, my step dad when I was 19 and my mom when I was 27 all to cancer. Life is tough all over.
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Dog..just don't bother..he's right your job sucks ..open a jacuzzi store..youll be jusy as happy and content has him..he's"done with me" maybe he will be done with you too..
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Hey Jim just so you know (I get told all the time on here that I know nothing about hot tubs) you know very little about what a Ping Demo Tech does. First I'm not talking about any other companies techs just Pings. We fit you for the right club for your swing. The right lie angle for your irons. The right size grip for your club. The right length for your clubs. The right material for the iron shaft. The right iron club head for what you want the ball to do. The correct swing weight for the person. As an employee of Ping Golf if I say the price of our products to some one I am fitting at a demo I will be fired. Ping policy. I don't sell anything. I fit. If the person likes the product then it is up to them to buy what they want at a golf shop or pro shop. There is a hell of a lot more technology and knowledge needed in fitting some one correctly (key word correctly) for a set of golf clubs then selling some one a hot tub.
Of course you have to know everything about your tubs and the inner workings. When was the last time you changed the seating in a hot tub for a person or moved the controls to a different place on the tub? Pulled out the motors for a customer to put in something stronger? You are very limited in what you can do to a tub for some one. That is what I am talking about as far as the difference in selling a tub to building the correct club for a person.
One thing you have to be very knowledgeable is chemicals or I hope you are to help your customers after they buy the tub and have no idea what is going on with their water. This is why you never see me in any post on chemicals because I know very little about it. My dealer set me up with such an easy chemical set up that I feel sorry for the people having such problems with their water.
So as I have said before if I read some thing that needs to be proven or is just wrong I will speak up and you were wrong on what I do so here I am again. (like a bad rash that just won't go away)
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Dog..just don't bother..he's right your job sucks ..open a jacuzzi store..youll be jusy as happy and content has him..he's"done with me" maybe he will be done with you too..
You are correct but I have met so many people in my life that know everything about everything (on here it is about hot tubs) that get to set in their ways. I have to agree with the "old timers" on here that new people come on here and say things that are wrong and have to be corrected. There are also new comers that come on here and add info that the "old timers" don't want people to know. One example I come in and corrected what was being said about Costco's return policy on hot tubs. Instead of taking the two minutes to find the right answer some like to make stuff up to scare people who are thinking about going the Costco route.
I hope you stick around here brillskill because it is fun to have some one like you here.
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I am not going to argue with you anymore, it's not worth the time or effort. And FWIW I play Ping irons, I have for a long time. In fact I re-shafted the set I am playing now, so I do know about swing weight, grip size yadda yadda. They are I5s green dot (2* up) with a SW of D2 std length and std grips with KBS shafts. I have done at least 3 or 4 sets of Pings and a set of Callaways along with a few drivers including the TISI back in the day. So I do know a bit about golf clubs as well.
Anyway good day!
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Yea ill stick around..I'm going to give updates on the tub I bought once in a while..have a good week DOG
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I am not going to argue with you anymore, it's not worth the time or effort. And FWIW I play Ping irons, I have for a long time. In fact I re-shafted the set I am playing now, so I do know about swing weight, grip size yadda yadda. They are I5s green dot (2* up) with a SW of D2 std length and std grips with KBS shafts. I have done at least 3 or 4 sets of Pings and a set of Callaways along with a few drivers including the TISI back in the day. So I do know a bit about golf clubs as well.
Anyway good day!
I always have a great day.....play golf every day. By the way green is 2.25 upright. Your welcome.
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Damn, I wish I played golf or knew something about hot tubs so I could comment here...
Maybe I'll change my name to Jacuzzi_Kirra and claim I'm a professional while I'm at it. This should be interesting conversation next time I talk to the Jacuzzi Corporate Owners or Board Members at the Jacuzzi Family Vineyards. Now drinking is something I can claim profession too.
To stay focused on this Sundance Marin, Sundance makes great spas. Almost bought a new Cameo or Maxxus and could have been very happy with Sundance, although in my "professional experience," the Jacuzzi J-1000 control system is far more advanced than Sundance control module and limited LCD screen. But than again, they roll off of the same assembly line and are built side by side with Jacuzzi.
Maybe we should reach out to this guy, he's a professional that was in charge of the plant in Tijuana, Mexico. He's someone I'd like to have a drink with..
http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidribal
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Hey Kirra I give lessons for golf :) I can't say much any more or I will get in trouble because like you I'm not a professional and will not back down because of how many post some one has by their name.
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My Sundance is around 8 months old now. I'm convinced I bought a quality engineered product with quality parts that are going to last me a long time. That said, perhaps the construction in Mexico was my only disappointment in a very minor way. One of the very last steps, I assume, in building my tub was drilling some holes to run plumbing/wiring through. I would have thought the craftsman would have cleaned up the saw dust after he was done. Also, i use to wire cabinets and machinery for products my company made and whomever wired the control box did a severely poor job. The worst part of my delivery day was trying to get the power wires to the connection strip and get them in there properly around all the poorly routed existing wiring.
I have not minded some American companies doing some of their manufacturing jobs in Mexico if it meant some jobs there to aid in the battle against illegal immigration. I love my "new" tub, but do think they could have stepped up the final inspection just a notch. Of course these are pure cosmetic issues, but what is the first thing people see? Can you imagine opening a new car door and seeing dirt on the seat?