Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: pooch on March 04, 2012, 11:29:11 am
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Looking at purchasing a 2012 optima with the built in Clearray, was wondering if adding an ozonator would be beneficial or is it overkill? My kids are very sensitive to chemicals and if this would help lower the chlorine demand that would be helpful (will be using Dichlor). Would adding the sun purity cartridge be a good idea as well?
Any opinions on ecowrap? I live in a cold climate and anything to help save energy is a good thing.
I really appreciate any advice or opinions!
Thank you!
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I am not sure you can even plumb an ozone in at this point with the Clear ray and if it would really make a difference. I have not opened a Jacuzzi 400 series spa yet to see if it can even be done. They are the same as Sundance for the most part inside. Also the Clear Ray is new enough that I would see what the chlorine requirements are before even thinking about adding an ozone if even possible? As far as the extra insulation wouldn't hurt but then it's probably fine without it.
And yes go with the sun pure cartridge!!
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Thanks for the info Jacuzzi Jim! I was confused because I read here http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html (http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html) about using both together and wasn't sure if that was even possible with a Sundance tub.
Appreciate it!
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Thanks for the info Jacuzzi Jim! I was confused because I read here http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html (http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html) about using both together and wasn't sure if that was even possible with a Sundance tub.
Appreciate it!
ClearRay seems pretty cool - I do similar water treatment with my saltwater fish tank and have wondered if a system existed similar for hot tubs. Does anyone know if this is proprietary or if there is a way to put this in an existing hot tub?
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We just delivered a J-345 with both Clear Ray and Ozone. What you do is simply splice into the same electrical line as the Clear Ray and "T" it off. That way the Ozone only runs when Clear Ray does. Both don't require a tremendous amount of juice. That way both run only when your circ pump is running.
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The claims about salt systems on the link are misstatements. Since ACE from Hot Spring is quite successful and quite popular, I assume the statements are meant to be about ACE without saying so. ACE is unlike other generic salt systems. Not corrosive. No need to be adding salt. Don't mean to hijack the thread, but the link here needed to be addressed. In fact, the link itself was only partly on topic.
Thanks for the info Jacuzzi Jim! I was confused because I read here http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html (http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html) about using both together and wasn't sure if that was even possible with a Sundance tub.
Appreciate it!
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The claims about salt systems on the link are misstatements. Since ACE from Hot Spring is quite successful and quite popular, I assume the statements are meant to be about ACE without saying so. ACE is unlike other generic salt systems. Not corrosive. No need to be adding salt. Don't mean to hijack the thread, but the link here needed to be addressed. In fact, the link itself was only partly on topic.
Thanks for the info Jacuzzi Jim! I was confused because I read here http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html (http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html) about using both together and wasn't sure if that was even possible with a Sundance tub.
Appreciate it!
yup standard fare from competitors who are losing sales to saltwater, I love the corrosion angle, kind of makes me chuckle when people bring that up
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In fact, the link itself was only partly on topic.
Thanks for the info Jacuzzi Jim! I was confused because I read here http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html (http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html) about using both together and wasn't sure if that was even possible with a Sundance tub.
Appreciate it!
Exactly, the link was only meant to be in reference to the topic of ClearRay and Ozone working together not ACE. Thanks for correcting that info though. Hotspring was my top choice before the wet test. Just didn't fit my wife and we weren't totally sold on the Moto jets. Other than that the fit, finish and reputation of Hotspring Tubs are wonderful!
Not to push the topic even more off track but why did Hotspring choose to put the ozonator outlet right smack dab in the middle of the floor (Grandee)? Every time I would start to relax, my foot would hit the outlet and a stream of HOT water would run over it and make me adjust my position. Not good design IMHO.
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The claims about salt systems on the link are misstatements. Since ACE from Hot Spring is quite successful and quite popular, I assume the statements are meant to be about ACE without saying so. ACE is unlike other generic salt systems. Not corrosive. No need to be adding salt. Don't mean to hijack the thread, but the link here needed to be addressed. In fact, the link itself was only partly on topic.
Thanks for the info Jacuzzi Jim! I was confused because I read here http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html (http://www.poolscuesspas.com/CLEARRAY.html) about using both together and wasn't sure if that was even possible with a Sundance tub.
Appreciate it!
yup standard fare from competitors who are losing sales to saltwater, I love the corrosion angle, kind of makes me chuckle when people bring that up
"Maintaining high salt and chlorine levels above recomended range can contribute to corrosion of pool or spa equipment"
I think the "ACE" system is a good system, is it better than a std chlorine/nat 2 system not really. Yes it works but you also have to maintain it by cleaning the cells and replacing the plates when time (not cheap) you still have to maintain PH/alk buy the recomended salt for it and prep the spa to use it properly and then dial it in. Also saying it's chlorine free is not exactly true. As far as the corrosion factors time will tell.
I am not going to go into details or get in some kind of a ours is better than your's match with the HS dealers cause we all know thats a no win situation with their we are better than everyone's sales training. But the fact is it's just another way to sanitize a spa. Just like ClearRay it does work people will buy it oh wait it's std and be happy. Ozone same thing it works just fine. The fact that you HS people assume that websites salt comment is directed at you actually cracks me up and says alot.
The point is there are many way to sanitize a spa salt being one of them, is it the neatest thing since no by-pass filtration no.
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Is this the same type system Cal has been using for awhile? It looks like the same thing I saw on a Cal a month or so ago.
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Is this the same type system Cal has been using for awhile? It looks like the same thing I saw on a Cal a month or so ago.
Same principle different components with the same results.
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We have been installing ozones on all our spas that are coming with the Clearray system.
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Keep the salt in the pool...ClearRay to sanitize...Ozone to Oxidize...with a dash of dichclor, and your tub will be rockin'. If the Salty Dawgs ( you know who you are ) take offense to those people that don't agree with you, get over it. I've heard more complaints about salt systems 5 to 1 than people that like them.
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Keep the salt in the pool...ClearRay to sanitize...Ozone to Oxidize...with a dash of dichclor, and your tub will be rockin'. If the Salty Dawgs ( you know who you are ) take offense to those people that don't agree with you, get over it. I've heard more complaints about salt systems 5 to 1 than people that like them.
sounds pretty redundant to me....personally I just keep ozone and dichlor and not worry about adding a $100 light bulb I would have to replace every year...doesn't make sense imho but your mileage may vary
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While I think ClearRay will work but it's just another sales tool like ACE is. I have always been a fan of ozone,nat2 and dichlor. It works why mess with it..
ClearRay you replace a bulb prolly more in the 80 dollar range, salt you have to clean and eventually replace the diamond plate guessing the 300 range again just another sales tool in the box.
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ClearRay is more than a sales tool...The real question we should be asking customers is how much are you willing to pay to get closer to "Zero". U.V. is the road there....salt isn't ( in my opinion).
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ClearRay is more than a sales tool...The real question we should be asking customers is how much are you willing to pay to get closer to "Zero". U.V. is the road there....salt isn't ( in my opinion).
well someone is fresh out of sales training I see ;D
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ClearRay is more than a sales tool...The real question we should be asking customers is how much are you willing to pay to get closer to "Zero". U.V. is the road there....salt isn't ( in my opinion).
well someone is fresh out of sales training I see ;D
For sure. If they work, a salt system and the Clear Ray/UV system are both an effective way to maintain a hot tub AND a sales tool.
If they don't work, they're just a sales tool.
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For sure. If they work, a salt system and the Clear Ray/UV system are both an effective way to maintain a hot tub AND a sales tool.
If they don't work, they're just a sales tool.
Interesting thought. So, you're saying that a non-functional system, added on at extra cost is a "sales tool?"
I have found that honesty is always the best policy in any sales presentation. "If they don't work," then I say so, and discourage the use of them. I don't want to just put one spa in the backyard of my customer, I would like to be there when they move to a new home, upgrade to a newer tub, need a cover, and when they walk their friend or co-worker into my store to buy THEIR new tub. So selling somebody anything which doesn't work is counter-productive at best, and dishonest at worst.
If I have a system which works well, I will offer it, and answer questions about it as honestly as possible, up to and including saying something like this, "you can buy several lifetime's worth of Dichlor for the price of this system. But it's not about the nickles and dimes you save, it's about the luxury of silky, soft water. Is it going to be worth the extra money? Only you can decide."
Or, in the case of an ozone system (standard on our Highlife™ Collection), I say,"you can soak chlorine free. You still use some chlorine to shock once a month, or as an added safety measure when you entertain a crowd, but for day-to-day use, you soak chlorine free."
I have carefully thought those through, and they are true in my experience and in the experience of my customers.
I have only sold a handful of ACE systems, and they went to people who had owned tubs before but wanted a more advanced system of chem care with buttons to push instead of bottles to handle. They have all had good results - one cell went bad on us, (hopelessly clogged up) and Watkins sent me a replacement, free, along with a redesigned filter standpipe to keep it from happening again. The customer and I were both very impressed.
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I have a 2012 Optima coming in a few weeks. It does not have an ozonator as the sales lady said I won't need it. My issue is my Daughter's skin, she is very sensitive to chemicals so the less I need to use the better.
If I order the ozone unit online can I install it myself? Seems like it's pretty easy to do I just don't want to void my warranty by doing it myself.
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For sure. If they work, a salt system and the Clear Ray/UV system are both an effective way to maintain a hot tub AND a sales tool.
If they don't work, they're just a sales tool.
Interesting thought. So, you're saying that a non-functional system, added on at extra cost is a "sales tool?"
In that case its a short sighted sales tool because if it doesn't deliver as promised it won't last and customers won't be happy. I think sometimes people think of the word "sales tool" negatively but the devil is in the details. All that needs to be asked in teh end is "while it may help sell a product, does it also give value to the cutomer by performing as advertised?".
BTW, I wasn't commenting on either of the products mentioned previously. There are things in the industry I have seen as a "sales tool" without really giving much value to the customer. Everyone knows many spa owners have been wanting a mostly closed loop sanitizing system like a salt system for many years. The Ace certainly is a sales tool for Hot Springs dealers and the fact you and other Hot Springs dealers have sold them and used them in showrooms with good results means it can be a sales tool for you while also giving value to the customer by doing what its advertised to do. If customers want it, are willing to pay extra for it (and thats up to them individually) and it performs then everyone goes home satisfied.