Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: burhead on February 28, 2010, 06:02:26 pm
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I finally got this old girl up and going. It took forever to find a pump and get everything rigged up. So I filled it up and turned on power. Everything seems fine so far. My problem is, the only oners manual I can find shows a different control setup. It shows a switch on the spa pack to swich from either continuous or time clock mode. My spa pack has no such switch, just a timer dial. My topside controls are different as well. I have a termostat type dial, a jet button (which switches high and low speeds) and a mode button. I assume the mode button controls continuous or time clock operation. when the mode button is pushed i get either a red LED or a green LED but I dont know which light is which mode. I know there is one member here that has had one of these tubs so I am hoping he knows. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks.
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That would be me :-) ........... ex gf wound up with it. Sounds like someone put in some aftermarket controls/controller. Got a picture of the spa pack and controls?
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All the controls say suntub on them. I am thinking that maybe it is newer than 1994, which is the only one I can find an online manual for. Here are some pics.
(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab153/burhead5881/DSCF3332.jpg)
(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab153/burhead5881/DSCF3327.jpg)
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Can you get a close-up CLEAR picture of the label on the bottom right of the box?
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Ill get a pic tomorrow. I just got done draining it. It has a pretty good leak somewhere in it. I dont really know where to go from here as the bottom is copletely filled with foam so who knows where the leak is at. :(
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here is the pic of the spa pack:
(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab153/burhead5881/DSCF3334.jpg)
As for the leak. Anyone have much experience/ success fixing them? I did some reading on here today and think I have a pretty good plan of attack. I going to put it up on cinder blocks and fill it up and add some dye I got from the local spa place. Hopefully this will show me where it is at. I have a pretty good idea as there is a frozen spot on one portion of foam. Also the foam in this area is a much lighter density that the rest of the tub, so I am thinking that this spot has been repaired before. When I go to replace the foam, do I just use regular old expanding foam?
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Ill get a pic tomorrow. I just got done draining it. It has a pretty good leak somewhere in it. I dont really know where to go from here as the bottom is copletely filled with foam so who knows where the leak is at. :(
Leak in the foam? hmmm you must have won the lottery!
Just kidding of course, hopefully its just a pump or heater union!
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I cant get that lucky. I know it isn't at any of the visible fittings. I watched it while running and saw no leakage.
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The problem with the Suntub is that it has rigid foam on the bottom, making it very difficult to dig out. IF you are going to attempt to repair it, I wouldn't bother testing to see where it is coming from. More than likely it is at a glue joint. There are not very many jets in that tub, so your best bet is to just dig out all the jets, dig out the manifold, and replace all the joints with barb fittings and a new manifold. This way, you shouldn't have to worry about this happening again. It will save a lot of headaches in the long run.
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As for repiping the whole thing, Are the parts standard plumbing fittings that can be found at the hardware store or do I have to special order them? Im an electrician by trade and I despise plumbing. Is this something I should leave to a Hottub repairman. I was hoping for an easy fix but I do see the logic in your reply.
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The problem I see with this is that to replace all the old joints, you'll need to cut out, and then extend the pipes. Which adds a new additional joint for the extension to the new joint at the new manifold, to replace one old joint that wasn't leaking to begin with.
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The problem I see with this is that to replace all the old joints, you'll need to cut out, and then extend the pipes. Which adds a new additional joint for the extension to the new joint at the new manifold, to replace one old joint that wasn't leaking to begin with.
If done correctly, all the new joints will be rigid joints and all the hoses will be clamped onto barb fittings. Even the manifold can be glued on using a pipe extender and a hose clamp so there would be basically 0 glue joints left to fail. Then you won't have to ever worry about digging the tub out again.
either way though, its not going to be fun digging out that tub ;)
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HA! I just "found" an original owners manual for your spa :-) A 96 SunTub. Contact me via PM with your email and I'll send you a copy. It's a pretty bad copy, that I'll probably retype at some point, but it is readable.
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HA! I just "found" an original owners manual for your spa :-) A 96 SunTub. Contact me via PM with your email and I'll send you a copy. It's a pretty bad copy, that I'll probably retype at some point, but it is readable.
Nice gesture, thanks.
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ahhh, but no PM yet....and I'm about 2/3's through retyping it. Only problem is the electrical schematic is SO smeared I can't completely read it to recreate it. With a little luck burhead can open the control box and snap a picture of the schematic that should be in there.
HA! I just "found" an original owners manual for your spa :-) A 96 SunTub. Contact me via PM with your email and I'll send you a copy. It's a pretty bad copy, that I'll probably retype at some point, but it is readable.
Nice gesture, thanks.
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yes there is a schematic in mine. I will get the pic for you. Sorry I've been working feverisly on this and a couple of other projects so I havent been back here to check this forum.
So I ran the tub on both modes and put an ammeter on each wire. The heater was running on both modes. Then I flipped all the time clock switches to the opposite position and tried both modes again and the heater still runs. Now it is my understanding that in time clock mode, only the pump should be running to just circulate the water. Is that correct? The only thing that could be going on is that since the tub is not up to a high enough temp., the control box is going to call for heat.
I have been fighting the leaks for the last week. Find a leak and fix it, fill tub find a leak and so on. Last night I filled the tub with dye and didn't see any other spots of blue in the foam but one of the joints I fixed continues to leak. I successfully fixed 2 joints by using a wet/dry glue that is supposed to bond to wet surfaces. I used a shop vac to create a vaccuum in the lines and drizzed the glue on and it sucked it into the joint. I did this on the third joint aswell and it looks good but continues to leak. So now I am stuck. The leaking joint is at one of the jets, where the jet assembly meets the flexible pipe. So how do the jets come out of the tub. I guess I am thinking of spicing i a new piece of pipe but wont be able to do so until I can get the jet out of the tub. I ll get some pics tomorrow. Thanks for the help guys.
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Just emailed you the manual...would REALLY appreciate the pic of the schematic.
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here is a pic of the schematic. Sorry they arern't great because the tub is currently up ended and the pump is on the high side. If you need better ones let me know. Thanks again for the manual, it is completely accurate for my year and model.
(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab153/burhead5881/DSCF3338.jpg)
(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab153/burhead5881/DSCF3340.jpg)
Here are some pics of my jets and the leaking joint. Looking at it closer today I can't see where the water would be leaking, everything looks sealed up. I was almost wondering if it was leaking elsewhere and following the pipe and running off at the lowest spot of the pipe. The only place it is wet is around the joint and down to the lowest spot of the pipe. So does anyone know how the jet comes out of the tub?
(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab153/burhead5881/DSCF3341.jpg)
(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab153/burhead5881/DSCF3342.jpg)
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oooooooooo, I think I can make that out
THANKS!
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I have this exact same tub. Mine is in brand new condition and so is my manual. BTW - press "mode" until the LED turns red. That's continuous mode. Green is the timer mode. Unfortunately, my pump just died last night. Where did you find a replacement?
If anyone needs a clean PDF scan of the manual, let me know.
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Great work people, nice to see people helping each other out.
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Sorry haven't been back in awhile. I got my pump and motor at a local spa dealer. When the pump and motor came, the output was wrong. I guess they dont make the pump anymore so some custom plumbing work was in order. If all you need is the motor, I managed to get one of those from a company called grainger. I finally got my leaks all fixed and the thing has been working properlly for the last week or so. Thanks to all here for the help. BTW, I managed to fix my leaks using a technique I found here. Creating a vaccuum in the jets with a shop vac and sucking primer and glue into the leaking joints.
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burhead
It looks like you're in good hands on this post. It's nice to see everyone assisting you in this leak dilemma. If you need any parts that you can't find locally. I can help you out. I'm a Sundance dealer with more parts in stock than I know what to do with.
Reach out if needed.
Hottubber1 8)
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I need the same owners manual for a 96 sundance suntub with the red/green mode button. thanks..
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I need the same owners manual for a 96 sundance suntub with the red/green mode button. thanks..
I have a manual I could fax/mail copies of the pages to you. Send a pm with info how/where to send it.
yes there is a schematic in mine. I will get the pic for you. Sorry I've been working feverisly on this and a couple of other projects so I havent been back here to check this forum.
So I ran the tub on both modes and put an ammeter on each wire. The heater was running on both modes. Then I flipped all the time clock switches to the opposite position and tried both modes again and the heater still runs. Now it is my understanding that in time clock mode, only the pump should be running to just circulate the water. Is that correct? The only thing that could be going on is that since the tub is not up to a high enough temp., the control box is going to call for heat.
I have been fighting the leaks for the last week. Find a leak and fix it, fill tub find a leak and so on. Last night I filled the tub with dye and didn't see any other spots of blue in the foam but one of the joints I fixed continues to leak. I successfully fixed 2 joints by using a wet/dry glue that is supposed to bond to wet surfaces. I used a shop vac to create a vaccuum in the lines and drizzed the glue on and it sucked it into the joint. I did this on the third joint aswell and it looks good but continues to leak. So now I am stuck. The leaking joint is at one of the jets, where the jet assembly meets the flexible pipe. So how do the jets come out of the tub. I guess I am thinking of spicing i a new piece of pipe but wont be able to do so until I can get the jet out of the tub. I ll get some pics tomorrow. Thanks for the help guys.
I have the opposite problem with my tub right now, it will not heat in either mode. I have checked a few things but haven't found a definite problem. Any suggestions?
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oooooooooo, I think I can make that out
THANKS!
Hey dr. Spa! Do you still have that owners manual? I have the later model suntub, any help would be so appreciated! Thanks!
Jg
Jg@satelliteboardshop.com
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I have been given A 96 SunTub and need to find a manual. I read this thread and saw Dr Spa Ret. had mentioned he has one. Is there ay way to get a copy. I cannot find it anywhere and can't get this thing running and heating.
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I have been given A 96 SunTub and need to find a manual. I read this thread and saw Dr Spa Ret. had mentioned he has one. Is there ay way to get a copy. I cannot find it anywhere and can't get this thing running and heating.
Go to RHTUBS.com
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Thanks, I'll check that out.