Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: gordholio99 on February 04, 2010, 10:34:40 pm
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Hi again everyone:
I started another thread recently concerning the cost/hassle of repairing full foam tubs. That thread has compelled me to start looking at Arctic Spas. Arctic seems to rate quite highly with spas techs and people in the know - even those who prefer full foam tubs say it's a well constructed spa.
My question to any Arctic supporters/salesfolks/servicepeople/customers is this: If Arctic is such a good product, why do I seem to read more complaints online about Arctic than virtually any other brand? Granted, the problems don't seem really major (popping jets, Onzen hassles, replaced pumps, filter problems), but there's just so many of them. Moreover, many of those who are complaining are doing so vociferously, saying they've had numerous things go wrong over relatively short period of times.
I don't think I can post links to other forums, but there are quite a few I *could* post. And there's at least one absolutely humungous thread elsewhere that's very current and just filled with multiple, ongoing complaints.
Is Arctic "better" now? Have they rectified the issues all these people have been discussing?
And yes, I do know people go to the Internet mainly to bitch, but still, there appear to be a lot of people unhappy with their Arctic tub. That just seems so weird considering it's so highly regrarded by many in the know.
Thanks in advance!
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Hi again everyone:
I started another thread recently concerning the cost/hassle of repairing full foam tubs. That thread has compelled me to start looking at Arctic Spas. Arctic seems to rate quite highly with spas techs and people in the know - even those who prefer full foam tubs say it's a well constructed spa.
My question to any Arctic supporters/salesfolks/servicepeople/customers is this: If Arctic is such a good product, why do I seem to read more complaints online about Arctic than virtually any other brand? Granted, the problems don't seem really major (popping jets, Onzen hassles, replaced pumps, filter problems), but there's just so many of them. Moreover, many of those who are complaining are doing so vociferously, saying they've had numerous things go wrong over relatively short period of times.
I don't think I can post links to other forums, but there are quite a few I *could* post. And there's at least one absolutely humungous thread elsewhere that's very current and just filled with multiple, ongoing complaints.
Is Arctic "better" now? Have they rectified the issues all these people have been discussing?
And yes, I do know people go to the Internet mainly to bitch, but still, there appear to be a lot of people unhappy with their Arctic tub. That just seems so weird considering it's so highly regrarded by many in the know.
Thanks in advance!
First let me startoff by saying that I own a business that sells Arctic Spas so you have to take what I say with a grain of salt. I am actually one of the first Arctic dealers established in the US, so I have seen them pretty much from the start.
You have probably seen most of these complaints on poolandspaforum.com which to my understanding has lots of canadian representation. Arctics are much more prevelant in the Canadian market than the US market and is probably the most popular brand in that market. I guess what Im getting at is lots of Arctics go in that sector and most of that sector post on that forum. So in turn you see lots of bad situations posted on that forum, when in turn its just a small percantage that are complaining. A bunch of those issues that have been discussed on that forum have been addressed by Arctic, such as jets popping out, filters, and onzen. All have new designs that work brilliantly in my opinion. Also you will notice on that forum that one of the owners of Arctic Spas themselves "James Kierstad" posts frequently now to take care of any customers that are showing concerns about service.
I can say this about Arctic, over the past four-five years they have made HUGE strides in their quality. I believe that my word stands for something since I am actually much like a consumer and could carry several different brands of spas if I would like. I dont have to sell Arctics, their are lots of options in my market but I believe that Arctic makes a elite spa. The thing you have to understand with the hot tub industry (and unless your in this industry everyday it IS very hard to understand), is that the spa is only as good as the dealer that sells it and services it.
If you go look at an Arctic, you will see that they are very impressively constructed, just be sure that the dealer themselves are a quality service center. BBB etc... You must do this with any brand you are looking at though. Its very important because no matter what anyone tells you, the spa you are looking at is a mechanical item and all mechanical items eventually need service.
Sorry to type a novel,
just my .02 cents.
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Sorry to type a novel,
just my .02 cents.
Thanks for letting us know your opinion and where you are coming from. Having been a spa owner for 7 years now and on this forum that long, I've read a lot about Arctic, but its one of the major brands I've never seen in person. As part of my duties in this forum, I regularly visit every spa dealer in my area. I usually visit a different dealer every time I need chemicals. Maybe someday someone will put an arctic line in a store within 50 miles of me.
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I've butted heads against the Arctic story for a few years now here and other forums. I think that first, like Summitman said; they had their issues in past years and have come a long way in the last five or so.
This forum has more passionate and stronger voices in favor of Arctic than most others I've been on.
Personally I've often said that I like the spa but have some issues with the story and also as I've taken the stance against their original pitch or "we're right and everyone else it wrong" I've been ganged up on, called names, received vulgar demeaning PM's and even had my family and lifestyle drug into the conversations.
Those things came from Arctic people in different areas of the country and made me wonder what the corporate message of Arctic was.
Arctic even hired someone to clean some of this up on the forums and he and I sent several PM's back and forth with thoughts and ideas about it. What I got out of those is that when Arctic started one of the partners had a very aggressive outlook towards any/all competition and that bred the contemptuous attitude in some salespeople.
The other issue is that Arctic grew at an astronomical pace (partially due to that aggressive attitude) and when you grow that fast your going to have some havoc in your wake...it's inevitable.
We didn’t get to work on as many Arctic’s in our area due to the fact that they hadn’t been around long enough here to be out of warranty and most where handled by the dealerships. In the last few years I’ve had more and several of my old concerns in past posts are what we see surfacing in service. We are seeing lots of motor failures and plumbing leaks. I believe they've changed from the motors that had the problems.
The repair I posted recently was a 4-year-old frozen Arctic that I did quite a bit of work on. I know that Summitman challenged the full foam vs their type in that post but the truth is the problems with that spa initiated from that type insulation. The trunk line coming from the filter was not supported by foam and caused leaking in that joint because of weight and vibration over the years. The motor bolts had backed out and let the wet ends come loose due to what I think was constant heat in the cabinet.
The positives that I found where these…first, it was the easiest frozen spa I’ve ever had to thaw. I put a light in the cabinet and it really did warm the whole bather area! The sides where very easy to get open and to see into (although I’m a big guy and the door holes were a bit small) in fact taking all them off gave me more light see the plumbing.
The ball valves were very stiff and wouldn’t turn and the frozen/cracked one was twice the price of a slice valve to replace but then I think slice valves are not the best either.
Also to be fair, the failure on the Cal Spa I compared in that post was due to someone at the factory forgetting to install hose clamps.
As a whole, I like many things about the Arctic and would consider them a viable product to sell in my store but I’m not so sure that I would be a good team player and just “buy in” to some of the pitch.
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As Summitman stated I'm also an Arctic Spa Dealer for over 10 years now in Breckenridge/Vail Colorado. Yes Arctic has had some minor problems ie jets popping out. But Arctic is one of the only companies that warrited the waterway jets when the stopped spinning. So Arctic started to design there own jet. They went through some trial and error. Now it's by far the best jet on the marketed! It never stops spinning, and doesn't pop out!
So now is the best time to buy an Arctic Spa as bugs are worked out and my business hasn't been better!
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Now see, what Michael said about jets is one of the problems I have with the Arctic way of selling.
The truth is that most of the manufactures I deal with replaced those waterway jets under warrenty. In fact, I can't remember any of them denying a claim when I sent it in and yes I would agree that since 2008 the complaints about the Arctic jets have not even popped up on the internet much.
The only problem with that is track record, on the waterway jets it took a few years before the problem really got noticed
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There wont be a problem with Arctics jets. The design is superb. Waterways problems were noticed pretty much from the beginning on my end. If you havent checked out the new design you should, just to see them. Im not trying to pump them up, its just a great design.
I agree that saying "Arctics jets are by far the best jets on the market" is a bit of a stretch, but it is no different than many Hot Spring dealers spouting that they are the most energy efficient spa on the market or the most therapuetic in regards to the moto-massage. These are all based off opinion and should be stated as such.
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a lot can be said by the dealership selling there products regardless of the brand... we hear alot of what you are saying from customers coming in after seeing multiple brands. I hear quite a bit that the customer was told there brand is the best from multiple brands. then the consumer has to sift through the b.s. not everyone can be the best.....everyone has a different way to build the mousetrap. if there was a brand as the best there would be no comptetitors... it does get old hearing that spa salesman state ( not a particular brand) that there jets are the best. when most brands in our area are using the same, or the pump is the best because its the biggest. or the shells the best. etc. whats funny in this that some salesman do not get educated with competitive brands in the market to now that they are not talking out of there #%$$.
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Who says they are so good? Other than those who sell them? IMO they are as good as several other but no better, and not as good as several others yet.
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Who says they are so good? Other than those who sell them? IMO they are as good as several other but no better, and not as good as several others yet.
Well for instance, several of my customers that have owned other brands of spas say so. Many have admitted that their electrical bill DECREASED after replacing their previous spa with an Arctic. Which is hard to do especially when the electrical rates go up every year. Also we highly suggest people to wet test spas before purchasing and that will usually seal the deal on the Arctic Spa if you fit them in the right model. FYI we compete daily against Hot Spring, Sundance, Jacuzzi, etc. This is more than my opinion, these are proven results that I have seen!
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Well for instance, several of my customers that have owned other brands of spas say so. Many have admitted that their electrical bill DECREASED after replacing their previous spa with an Arctic.
And I have no doubt this could be said of just about ANY OTHER brand of spa as well.
Also we highly suggest people to wet test spas before purchasing and that will usually seal the deal on the Arctic Spa if you fit them in the right model.
Also certainly true of just about ANY OTHER brand of spa as well.
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Who says they are so good? Other than those who sell them? IMO they are as good as several other but no better, and not as good as several others yet.
Well for instance, several of my customers that have owned other brands of spas say so. Many have admitted that their electrical bill DECREASED after replacing their previous spa with an Arctic. Which is hard to do especially when the electrical rates go up every year. Also we highly suggest people to wet test spas before purchasing and that will usually seal the deal on the Arctic Spa if you fit them in the right model. FYI we compete daily against Hot Spring, Sundance, Jacuzzi, etc. This is more than my opinion, these are proven results that I have seen!
You could replace Arctic twice in this post with one of the three at the end and insert it with the other 2 brands mentioned at the end. I guess it depends on what brand you sell!!!! The proven results dealers of the other brands prove you wrong!! So, who's right?
Confused consummer
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Well for instance, several of my customers that have owned other brands of spas say so. Many have admitted that their electrical bill DECREASED after replacing their previous spa with an Arctic.
And I have no doubt this could be said of just about ANY OTHER brand of spa as well.
Also we highly suggest people to wet test spas before purchasing and that will usually seal the deal on the Arctic Spa if you fit them in the right model.
Also certainly true of just about ANY OTHER brand of spa as well.
It can definetely be SAID about any other brand, but all I know is it is TRUE with the Arctics that I sell. Tman said all he had is what dealers were telling him/her, I was just showing him/her what consumers were telling me. Thats all. Im not saying that Arctic is the end all be all of hot tubs, but they are elite as any brand out there.
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Well for instance, several of my customers that have owned other brands of spas say so. Many have admitted that their electrical bill DECREASED after replacing their previous spa with an Arctic.
And I have no doubt this could be said of just about ANY OTHER brand of spa as well.
Also we highly suggest people to wet test spas before purchasing and that will usually seal the deal on the Arctic Spa if you fit them in the right model.
Also certainly true of just about ANY OTHER brand of spa as well.
It can definetely be SAID about any other brand, but all I know is it is TRUE with the Arctics that I sell. Tman said all he had is what dealers were telling him/her, I was just showing him/her what consumers were telling me. Thats all. Im not saying that Arctic is the end all be all of hot tubs, but they are elite as any brand out there.
I've seen allot of tubs in the last 20-25 years or so of repair including Arctic. I've only worked on a couple Arctic's (not sold localy) While here in Northern Minnesota you would think they would be sold, maybe there's no market for another dealer, beats me. But from my independent investigation I would say they almost make the top 5. A decent tub, but there are better.
I'm not confused at all Summ, but thanks for the pitch.
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Now see, what Michael said about jets is one of the problems I have with the Arctic way of selling.
The truth is that most of the manufactures I deal with replaced those waterway jets under warrenty. In fact, I can't remember any of them denying a claim when I sent it in and yes I would agree that since 2008 the complaints about the Arctic jets have not even popped up on the internet much.
The only problem with that is track record, on the waterway jets it took a few years before the problem really got noticed
I have recently noticed that alot of my jets are wanting to come apart, The back is seperating from the face. I'm pretty sure they used waterway jets in my model but was wondering if someone could point me in a direction to by replacement parts for them. The jets are the mini storms.
My dealer is claiming they are not covered under warranty, Plan B
Well, there is a least one manufacturer that didn't warranty the waterway jets.
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Well for instance, several of my customers that have owned other brands of spas say so. Many have admitted that their electrical bill DECREASED after replacing their previous spa with an Arctic.
And I have no doubt this could be said of just about ANY OTHER brand of spa as well.
Also we highly suggest people to wet test spas before purchasing and that will usually seal the deal on the Arctic Spa if you fit them in the right model.
Also certainly true of just about ANY OTHER brand of spa as well.
It can definetely be SAID about any other brand, but all I know is it is TRUE with the Arctics that I sell. Tman said all he had is what dealers were telling him/her, I was just showing him/her what consumers were telling me. Thats all. Im not saying that Arctic is the end all be all of hot tubs, but they are elite as any brand out there.
I've seen allot of tubs in the last 20-25 years or so of repair including Arctic. I've only worked on a couple Arctic's (not sold localy) While here in Northern Minnesota you would think they would be sold, maybe there's no market for another dealer, beats me. But from my independent investigation I would say they almost make the top 5. A decent tub, but there are better.
I'm not confused at all Summ, but thanks for the pitch.
Well Roger since your the only guy in the industry that has 20-25 years of repair then I concede. They are far more than a decent tub. Most that have seen in person all the top spas would put Arctic among the best.
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Most that have seen in person all the top spas would put Arctic among the best.
Didn't I say that? If I was missunderstood I apoligize. But if snippy is how you want to get, it shows your personality you know.
Decent and junk are my 2 catagorys, decent can be 4 grand for a decent value tub and 8 or more for a decent top of the line. Junk can be 4 grand and 8-10 grand. So if your looking for where you fall IMO....decent, just like 10 or more other brands.
If you would like my complaints against Arctic here they are. 1. They seem noisier to me than several other brands. 2. The seating seems to confining to me. 3. They are overpriced IMO, just like some other brands.
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Most that have seen in person all the top spas would put Arctic among the best.
Didn't I say that? If I was missunderstood I apoligize. But if snippy is how you want to get, it shows your personality you know.
Decent and junk are my 2 catagorys, decent can be 4 grand for a decent value tub and 8 or more for a decent top of the line. Junk can be 4 grand and 8-10 grand. So if your looking for where you fall IMO....decent, just like 10 or more other brands.
If you would like my complaints against Arctic here they are. 1. They seem noisier to me than several other brands. 2. The seating seems to confining to me. 3. They are overpriced IMO, just like some other brands.
If decent is as good as it gets then great!
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If decent is as good as it gets then great!
Yep, I have one personal favorite brand and, like I said about 10 other brands that are decent. Any one of the ten could become my personal favorite if they build a better product. But everybody has a personal favorite.
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So, you're not going to tell us if that personal favorite brand is D1 or Hot Spring, are you? :-)
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So, you're not going to tell us if that personal favorite brand is D1 or Hot Spring, are you? :-)
I'm not a big Hot Springs fan. They to are overpriced. They fall about to third on my list. Just ahead of Sundance and then Arctic. But my list is for me.
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So, you're not going to tell us if that personal favorite brand is D1 or Hot Spring, are you? :-)
I'm not a big Hot Springs fan. They to are overpriced. They fall about to third on my list. Just ahead of Sundance and then Arctic. But my list is for me.
Come on Roger you can tell us who 3, 4, and 5 are buy not number 1 and 2? I am pretty sure based on your previous posts on other forums that D1 is at the top for you. Not sure who 2 is though. I have never really heard why you think D1 is at the top. You dont have to answer, but curious minds would like to know.
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So, you're not going to tell us if that personal favorite brand is D1 or Hot Spring, are you? :-)
I'm not a big Hot Springs fan. They to are overpriced. They fall about to third on my list. Just ahead of Sundance and then Arctic. But my list is for me.
Come on Roger you can tell us who 3, 4, and 5 are buy not number 1 and 2? I am pretty sure based on your previous posts on other forums that D1 is at the top for you. Not sure who 2 is though. I have never really heard why you think D1 is at the top. You dont have to answer, but curious minds would like to know.
They are innovative, great to deal with both in tech and marketing. They have a great product with a long standing reputation for reliability, energy effeciency and longevity. And I have never soaked in a more comfortable and quiet tub than the Nautilis.
Oh and Marquis
Dissclaimer, this is not meant to promote either of the mentioned brands. These are MY personal favorites.
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And to think - you chose my thread to reveal this. :-)
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I was going to suggest that you take a look at Marquis, but not sure if you even have a dealer near you. I have an Epic and I purchased it in '05. Last year the shell began to show signs of crazing (which is cracks under the surface that really don't impact the integrity of the shell as far as leaks). In any case, I sent Marquis a couple of pictures, talked to my dealer and they sent me an offer and completely replaced the tub. The offer was to allow me to upgrade if I desired.
I don't know of many manufacturers that would do that without hesitation.
Additionally, I have a wonderful dealer who understands how important customer service really is. ;) So after 5 years, I can honestly say I made a good decision with my purchase and thank goodness it has been dependable...Probably partially because I do the water maintence (not my husband!!!) ;D ;D ;D
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I would have to strongly disagree with your selection of H20 & Catalina I know nothing about Master except some shady marketing. Catalina has the worst quality I have seen. Since the dealer where I am went under I have people stopping by asking if I can get them parts for their 2 yr old tubs. H20 derrived out of Pacific Spas because a small group thought they could do better. I have seen them up close & they look OK The dealers I know that picked them up were greatly dissappointed with the quality of the tubs when they had to do mulitple warranties on floor tubs that were only running for a couple months. None of them carry H20 anymore. The new Cals do have more insulation than early 90's tubs. There are happy Cal spa owners but yes Cal does under pay and try to deny warranty claims unless you have follwed everything to a T In Canada its not as bad.
For the original 3 choices if those are the only ones available Cal LA or Arctic I would have to say Arctic its the better of the 3, then Cal, then nothing
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temronwilliams: I don't think anyone in this thread "selected" H20. I'm interested in what you have to say about H2O tubs (in particular your claim that dealers were greatly disappointed with them due to multimple warranty issues), but I don't think anyone in this thread has even mentioned H20.
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temronwilliams is making an attempt to spam this board.....as he has with 4 other message boards this morning. His profile has a link in the signature line he's hoping will show up here. On other boards it does...make that, "did". For some reason it doesn't here.
His entire postings are simply designed to look somewhat relevant to the subject, in hopes that no one will notice the link in his signature line.
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I think Bill took care of his "line"...he is probably off commenting on Whats the best BS board right now!!
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I recognize that H2o & Catalina post since thats mine from back in 2007, when H2o just came out.
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What's odd is that the spam link in his signature line is for a UK company.
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There is nothing wrong with H20 i sell them along with D1 spas. temron is way off. there quality is very good, i have not had many problems with there tubs, as i have stated in earlier posts....also H20 started in early 2005,not 2007. we have carried them since.just had to add my opions......
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Hi, Guys! I wonna share my Unforgettable experience with Arctic Spas! I work in construction business and quiet often I need to relive the low back pain which only sitting in a hot water can do. It took me a time till I finally decided to buy a Hot Tub. I did my research, checked Hydropool, Marquis, Beachcomber, Jaquzzi, Artesian hot tubs and by the time I entered Arctic Spas Store I knew everything I need to know about the hot tubs. I already made my mind buying a Hydropool hot tub, the size I needed for 4500$ tax in, but once I saw Arctic Spas products I decided to turn it down and buy Arctic Spas hot tub for 8000$!!! I was really impressed. I found another solution for my back yard, went over my budget big time and bought Grill House as well. I brought friend of mine with me and all together we spent over 25000$ !!!!!!
It was 8 weeks ago and now, every time we recall Arctic Spas we can't get rid of the filling like we stepped in a horse .... Lie, unprofessional behavior, ignorance. And here is our first story:
Once we signed all papers, we were told we would have our hot tubs, mine 3-4 days - it was already in a store and friend's 2-3 weeks - it has to be made and delivered. Someway, somehow It took 1 week just to submit application and get financial approval ( I spent 20 min. in a dealership to get 50000$ loan approval for my car). When I asked Glen why it took so long and when my friend is gonna have his tub then, he said "don't worry about your friend, on my own risk I ordered his hot tub without waiting for approval" (What a nice guy!) Next message 3 weeks after from Glen was : " It manufactured, waiting for its place in container . Another week after checking the status on a computer with Store Manager - "under production!!! ". We were so mad when we figured out that even after getting confirmation about financial approval it took to Glen another week just to place the order!!!!!!! So… I got my hot tub, something they had in a store, in a 2 weeks, friend of my is waiting for 8 weeks and couldn't get proper respond when he's gonna get his h.t.
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Here is another story….. After I built the concrete base for Grill House I had "very experienced" installers coming over, 10 years working for Arctic Spas and 2 years installing Grill Houses. They put support boards on a concrete base, right after put panels on a top, screw them together and measuring from corner to corner and by kicking and pushing panels start getting them in octagon shape!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some panels got off the boards it was sitting on and I said to guys that I need proper support. And I had respond: "I call office that you're not happy with installation"…. like it was a perfect one! He left with his phone and 5 min. after got back tried to bring boards to under the panels. Im not installer but I do understand that they had to make proper octagon with boards first, double check with tape measure, then fix it to concrete base so it doesn't move and go from there… ! But it ended up that when they put 6th roof panel they had 3-4 inch gap between last 2 panels at the lowest point !!! and they couldn't get them together. You wonna know what they did?!!! They brought heavy duty cargo strap that truck drivers use to fix their cargo on a trucks, connect it through the windows and using that pull one side to another and put 20 screws to hold them together! This is not what I saw on installation guide on youtube…… it was another "Fun" when it comes to door installation, they put it with a door frame, level it, put shims too tight, stretch out the door frame with a screws. After that guy was going around with level and couldn't understand why the door doesn't close, one corner sitting in a door frame and another one sticking out!!!!!!! I never installed doors but I've seen them getting installed and I know that you have to put shims when door is in closed position!!! just as much as need just to fill up the gap, put screws not to tight…. otherwise you bend the frame and it's never be working properly. What kind of installers are they? I feel bad for people they did installations! What brain you should have to install Grill House for 2 years and didn't learn the way to make it proper?!
And the last story…. 2 days after I went to see store manager, told him everything I saw, everything I fell regarding their service, installation process. It wasn't hard to me to explain why I'm not happy with installation either…. I just brought him to their demo grill house and was pointing this and that (they had absolute copy what I had)…. benches up and down, holes everywhere, screws sticking out, decorative planks that supposed to cover edges fixed with the screws, not finish gun…. sloppiest installation you could imagine (their door didn't close at all!!) Of course Philip(manager) was disappointed hearing that, he offered me 150$ store credit and promised to send somebody to fix what ever could be fixed some day next week(it was friday). I only asked to put in a system "innovative" way of installation, so if the roof goes apart because of the big tension, they know why it happens and asked to put proper door handle(When you approach to Grill House you can see some kind of door handle you usually see on drawers and bolts! sticking out that holds same door handle from opposite side), handle you can see on every picture of Grill House…. send someone with a wood filler to close huge holes they did. So…..I adjusted the door on hinges(it was the Only chance of doing it), redid benches, put new planks with finish gun and guess what?!!!!!!! Tomorrow is 2 weeks since I spoke with a manager….! and I didn't have anyone neither coming or calling me. So…. They are one Big Sympson Family!!!!!
I've got question to business owners or someone who runs the business…. I've seen your info on a website. You deal with 25 countries and have over 200 INDEPENDENT!!! dealers .Don' You guys care how they run Your name? I never saw someone selling mcdonalds burgers around the world and servicing customers the way that INDEPENDENT dealer sees it. You 're selling toys, Guys…Expensive Toys! Don't You Think that the "Wrapping" is not important? Numbers means everything? I didn't spent 3.99$ in your store….sorry… your independent dealer store… I spent 18000$ and I deserve treatment like that?
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I bought an Artic Klondiker in March of this year and absolutely love it. Send me a PM and I'll be glad to go into more detail.
By the way, I heard some talk about how the Western Cedar would turn green in a few months.. Quite the contrary. After 6 months, it still looks great! I will put a fresh coat of stain on her after a year, but as of this post, it looks super.
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It amazes me how many people can afford a $15k spa, yet have the punctuation and grammar of a 3rd grader.
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Sam, I hope you were not referring to my comments.. :)
To set the record straight, my Klondiker, (IMO, one of the nicest spas on the market today), cost nowhere near $15,000. My total cost was a little over $9500.00.
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Sam, I hope you were not referring to my comments.. :)
To set the record straight, my Klondiker, (IMO, one of the nicest spas on the market today), cost nowhere near $15,000. My total cost was a little over $9500.00.
Rosewoodsteel,
I don’t think he’s referring to you. It looks like he’s referring to “igilka”. And if he is, who knows, maybe English is not “igilka’s” first language. And just because he has poor English, does that mean he shouldn’t be buying a spa? Pretty classless comment if you ask me.
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Bah, you misunderstood me. This new technological age with twitter and facebook, etc, seems to highlight a total disregard for grammar and spelling. It just makes me cringe to see so many long-winded rants with awful spelling and grammar. It wasn't meant to be a personal attack. More of a lament. Sorry for coming across that way.
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Bah, you misunderstood me. This new technological age with twitter and facebook, etc, seems to highlight a total disregard for grammar and spelling. It just makes me cringe to see so many long-winded rants with awful spelling and grammar. It wasn't meant to be a personal attack. More of a lament. Sorry for coming across that way.
Sorry about the misunderstanding, and thanks for the explanation!