Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Saved by Grace on April 09, 2008, 06:30:55 pm
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My deck builder is coming in an hour to go over the project. Any hints or tips for us to consider? Any if I had to do it over I would have done this?
The snow we got last night melted :)
Thanks,
Fred
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If you are building the deck around the spa create lots of access for the equipment.
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I was thinking of coming up to the front (about half the height of the tub) of it and being able to step in and then surrounging it only a little ways with steps along the side to maybe half way deep.... Or just putting it on a plain deck and putting stairs to get in....
More thoughts.... like running more electric or ????
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Deck half way up is a great application. My fav personally.
One thing to consider is the addition of a cover lifter. Which side, and will you have access to install one after the fact if needed. Extra wire is a good thing if you're thinking you may want to move the spa in the future. What is your foundation for the spa?
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Deck half way up is a great application. My fav personally.
Ditto!!!!!!! The fully sunken in tubs look great but are just not as user friendly!!!
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The lift on that spa has to go to the back, due to the raised back, I like sinking them as well, but no matter what brand it has to be accessible. Now if you have 1 or 2 open sides the spa can always be moved away to repair any thing in the sides and back, the front should always have access. Removable hatch/panel??
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On the J480 the cover can only go one way, towards the back. I know when the cover lifter is on you lose some of your view, but how much?
Our tub will be an addition to our current deck. I'm sure he will put in extra piers and beef up the framing. Any thought on having the deck higher or lower from the ground. I'm thinking just off the ground to be able to step on and off the perimter as needed.
Thanks....keep them coming.....
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Assume for a moment: It is deep winter, the power has been out for 3 days, your spa is frozen, damage has occurred, How do you access it? :-?
Have an exit / access plan ready, accessing the four sides of the spa could become necessary, it is best to think of that NOW. A cracked light lens may have to be accessed from the bottom of the spa, how would they do that in your set up?
Picture this: a beautiful new 8' spa, recessed into the deck, 6' off the ground, inside a 12' screened in gazebo enclosed, and topped with a cedar shake roof. A beautiful retreat representing a large investment for therapy and comfort.
A drip developed, the equipment was not readily accessible for inspection, the tub was drained (not winterized) and left for later. "Later" came 4 months later in the spring when we were called, we started the water to fill and immediately water began to pour out from underneath the spa.
What are we to do? The customer is terribly upset with us for our "inability" to fix their problem, 6 foot off the ground, surrounded on all sides by decking unable to remove the panels. We can elevate 1" at a time and go up, but where, we can't crane it out (roof), we can't work in the gazebo, (92" spa in a 12' gazebo) and the customer is upset with us, (actually, with their lack of planning). This is now 2 years later and nothing has been done because of COST.
PROPER PLANNING IS CRITICAL WHEN YOU WANT TO BUILD IT IN. ;)
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Screws and bolts, no nails.
You can access a lot, or change your mind totally on design, when it's put together right.
But with nails, you usually end up throwing away wood.
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If I could do it over (and I just might...) I would add a pergola over my tub... ::) oh and I would have waited a bit to put my tub on the new deck so I could stain the wood under the tub...does that make a big difference..probably not, but I know it's not painted under there :o ;D ;D
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We decided to build the deck flat for the first step. Then place the tub and he will come back after we use it awhile and build removable panels/steps to tie it into our existing deck. I thought that was a great idea. We'll have a much better feel for what we want after it's here and we are using it.
Thanks for all the input,
Fred
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Fred , I think that approach makes a lot of sense and that is the way I will do mine also , I allready have the concrete pad ( top of my pump house ) which is sunk into my tiered landscpae on three sides , after I use the spa for a while , like you I will have a better idea of just what to do for the surrounding area and will not be in such a rush to do it.
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I think you are wise also. Try it out the easiest way, and you may decide it is also the best for you.
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One deck consideration that might be of interest:
If you want to preserve your view from the tub, and, if you will have railing around the edge of your deck, having the tub surface mounted on top of the deck will preserve the view from the tub. The view from a sunken tub may be partially obscured by the railing. I planned on a surface mounted installation from the beginning and after seeing the view preserved, I was very happy with the unintentional outcome.
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I was told the standard is Hot tub 18 inches above deck surface. That way "stepping into" the tub would seem more natural. Also getting out would be easy. I should say that people often comment that it's easy to get into my tub. Avoid a "flush mount" for safety reasons. This does create a problem though with cover lifters. If you have plastic sides, (like I do) you may have to reinforce the "frame" of the tub so you can screw into it for the lifter. If you have solid sides then you can just screw the lifter into the sides. When flipping the cover open, 18 inches is nice as it doesn't go all the way down and makes it easier when putting it back. I have the rear of the hot tub about 3 foot from my house so it's not like I loose any view to the rear. Also to get the 18 inches, consider what I did. I put heavy duty blocks down on my poured cement and then laid 3/4 inch marine plywood ontop of the blocks. (My deck surrounding the hot tub is a few inches taller than around the rest of my deck. I have a multi leveled deck) Hope that helps!
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Thanks everyone for the suggestions. We just got back from Menards where I was going to order the same composite decking we used two years ago when we first built our deck. On Saturday on our way home after buying our tub we stopped in and checked on the lead time and we were told 7 to 10 days. This evening we were told two to three weeks. :( We can go through a different supplier and get a little different type and have it next week but it would cost us about an additional $250 to $300.
The last thing we want is to have our hot tub sitting in a warehouse as I call Menards every day for an order status. So I guess we'll have to spend the extra money so our deck looks really nice under the hot tub.....
As far as height from the top of the tub our builder told us the same distance of 18". I wonder if that is too high for getting out of the tub. It seems like the step in the J480 (which is really nice with the light in it by the way) is lower than that and it might be hard to get out if the deck is higher than that Jacuzzi step. Not knowing how it would work is why I think adding stuff afterwards is such a great idea. We can do a lot of experimenting to figure out what works best for us.
And go figure.....more snow on the way. We are under a snow warning with 5 to 12 inches expected by the time it ends on Saturday morning. I'll be plowing my yard instead of my driveway.
In His Peace,
Fred
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I don't have a J-480 here, but I measured the J-470 and 18" looks pretty good, should come out just a bit lower than the inside (LIGHTED) step. From the top down at 39" the inside step is aprrox 19 " down. I am pretty sure the measurements are the same give or take a half inch where the inside step sits.
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Thanks Jim. I wasn't quite sure how far down that LIGHTED step was. I just remember that the LIGHT on the step was very easy to see even with all the jets going and made it very easy to get in the tub because all you had to do was put your foot on the LIGHT.
In His Peace,
Fred
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No problem with that LIGHTED step measurement!! It is a nice feature!!! ;D
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Seriously, we rated features we would look for between 1-10. Like having a lounge was an 8, space was a 10, controls was a 7, jets was an 8 and so on... We rated easy in and out a 9 because of wanting our moms and my father-in-law to be able enjoy the tub (not to mention we're not getting any younger). This was very important to us. The Grandee had a nice set of steps so that was a plus on it. However, the light and step in the Jacuzzi was wonderful. My mom acually wet tested it (I also got in again while my wife was attending to the paperwork). My mom was getting over a broken arm from falling 4 weeks prior on the ice in her driveway. So her arm was still very tender. Getting in the Jacuzzi was very easy for her as I helped and told her to just "step on the light". It may sound petty to some, but for us it was/is very important.
In His Peace,
Fred
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I built a flat deck, but also built steps around the front two sides. For me, that made way more sense than a built in. It is easy to work on, and if I move and the new owners don't like spas, then no harm done. The steps split in the middle. It is hard to see, but if you look closely you will see the line right at the pergola post. So to access the panel, I simply pull the one side of the step away. Even if I need to pull both sides away, the pergola can stay since the steps are built around it. Trick huh? The pergola posts look like they are solid cedar, but I built them hollow. That way I was able to run wire for speakers in two corners and I also run an extention cord through from time to time for Christmas lights, etc. The steps running all the way around both sides are really nice and safe after too much wine :-)
Steven~
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I built a flat deck, but also built steps around the front two sides. For me, that made way more sense than a built in. It is easy to work on, and if I move and the new owners don't like spas, then no harm done. The steps split in the middle. It is hard to see, but if you look closely you will see the line right at the pergola post. So to access the panel, I simply pull the one side of the step away. Even if I need to pull both sides away, the pergola can stay since the steps are built around it. Trick huh? The pergola posts look like they are solid cedar, but I built them hollow. That way I was able to run wire for speakers in two corners and I also run an extention cord through from time to time for Christmas lights, etc. The steps running all the way around both sides are really nice and safe after too much wine :-)
Steven~
Nice Deck
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As soon as I read the beginning of this thread the other day, I thought of YOU..Northwoods. Your set up probably sticks in my mind more than any that I have ever seen..it is beautiful.
I just showed it to my husband and he was very impressed too...You may be the inspiration that we need to change our deck..I love the railings, the layout of the deck, and the tub steps. This is Better Homes and Gardens material... ;)..very very nice!
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Steve, Beautiful layout.
Fred
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Northwoods, that a mighty fine lookin layout ya got there
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That is really nice looking!!!
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Next time, consider using the Deck Designer Tool
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Actually PRGUY, I did look at that site when I started designing. However, it seemed very limited as to what it could do for me. So I decided to design my deck by myself.
Steven~