Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Chas on March 03, 2008, 09:14:35 pm
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Tres bling.
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And it's FULL FOAM.
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Wow Chas!! Very nice.
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Very nice Chas.
I assume this is the new line from Hotsprings. Curious where does it fall into the line up of Hot Spot, Tiger River, Solana, Caldera and Hotsprings
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Chas,
Are they available to all Watkins dealers meaning HS and Caldera?
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Curious where does it fall into the line up of Hot Spot, Tiger River, Solana, Caldera and Hotsprings
Between HotSpring and Tiger River.
I don't know if it will be available to Caldera dealers. Yes I am one, but of course I am also a HotSpring dealer...
It has some of the cool toggle jets from Caldera spas, one filter, lots of lights (don't worry, you can change them out from the front) lots of power, a metal frame, different siding than the other lines, they are music ready, but the system is not like the other systems - Ipod friendly of course...
I want one!
I put it up on my web site - http://www.HotSpring-Ventura.com
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My "source" sent me the overhead photo of the spa. I think I counted around 29 - 30 lights in the spa. I got to see the frame as well. Pretty cool looking.
The spa also has a bottom pan. Another new thing for a Watkins' spa.
From what I am being told, this is only a Hot Spring line spa. Just like the Tiger or Solana. But, that could change. There will be two more spas coming out. I can't wait to see them, too.
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Looks very interesting. I hope the local HS dealer gets one in sometime so I can look at one up close! It's good to see acompany witha strong reputation for quality expanding it's models to appeal to a broader range of customers.
Chris W
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Between HotSpring and Tiger River.
I don't know if it will be available to Caldera dealers. Yes I am one, but of course I am also a HotSpring dealer...
It has some of the cool toggle jets from Caldera spas, one filter, lots of lights (don't worry, you can change them out from the front) lots of power, a metal frame, different siding than the other lines, they are music ready, but the system is not like the other systems - Ipod friendly of course...
I want one!
I put it up on my web site - http://www.HotSpring-Ventura.com
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Chas,
when you say positioned between HS and Tiger River is that in terms of how you precive the value of the tub or its price position.
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(http://watkinsnet.net/Media/DesignHomepageStylesheets/Limelight%20Extranet%20Home%20Page_3.jpg)
Tres bling.
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[glow][/glow]And it's FULL FOAM.
Did we expect anything less?? ;D ;D
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Here's a bird's eye view....
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Looks pretty good! I like the lights.
Do we know how many gallons it holds?
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Looks pretty good! I like the lights.
Do we know how many gallons it holds?
310
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310
314 in Canada.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Good for Hot springs to introduce a new line, but, it pretty much looks like a remake of a lot spas already made! ::) Wont be hard to sell against!
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Looking more and more like Sundance Spas
every year......
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Looking more and more like Sundance Spas
[glow]every year[/glow]......
:-?I don't understand how you can say that about a product that was just developed and hasn't even been fully released yet. :-?
Watkins MFG has several lines to compete at different prices and now one to compete with the "Bling". It's just good business as far as I can see. :)
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Good for Hot springs to introduce a new line, but, it pretty much looks like a remake of a lot spas already made! ::) Wont be hard to sell against!
Whether it looks like other spas out there (always true to some degree, who is completely unique) doesn't seem to be the point to me because its supposed to look unique versus the other brands the Hot Spring dealer has (Hot Spring, Tiger River and Hot Spot) to allow them another option for the customer and it does that IMO.
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Looking more and more like Sundance Spas
every year......
I disagree. I think the new Watkins spas have a quality look to them and are rather nice looking.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Watkins MFG has several lines to compete at different prices and now one to compete with the "Bling". It's just good business as far as I can see. :)
I agree with this - at this point I have to.
Bullfrog talked about adding "bling" features for awhile. I was rather opposed to the idea.
However, more than a year after the "bling"-oriented options have become available, they are big-selling features.
As a previous opponent to "bling", I have to say it is good business, seeing how part of our business is increasing sales.
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Wow. Anybody know the release date for Term's "Lord of the Bling" series?
I hear its being released on a Blu-ray box set!
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Between HotSpring and Tiger River.
I don't know if it will be available to Caldera dealers. Yes I am one, but of course I am also a HotSpring dealer...
It has some of the cool toggle jets from Caldera spas, one filter, lots of lights (don't worry, you can change them out from the front) lots of power, a metal frame, different siding than the other lines, they are music ready, but the system is not like the other systems - Ipod friendly of course...
I want one!
I put it up on my web site - http://www.HotSpring-Ventura.com
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Coleman has been doing the metal frame and solid pan bottom for years.
I see this as another swrewd, caculated move by Watkins to improve and build on technology that's been proven to add quality.
Hey Chas how can you get to all those lights to change them from the inside if the tub is fiully foamed.
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Hey Chas how can you get to all those lights to change them from the inside if the tub is fiully foamed.
Uh, from inside the spa. As in, inside. Not outside where the foam is...
Am I making sense? You have to drain the water, I suppose... Then a special tool pops them open.
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Watkins MFG has several lines to compete at different prices and now one to compete with the "Bling". It's just good business as far as I can see. :)[/quote]
Costco ;)
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All I know is this should be their company theme song! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGGdW4-UYbY
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Looking more and more like Sundance Spas
every year......
I think it looks more like a copy of a Coleman than a Sundance.
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A very nice looking tub! Can it be ordered without the multitude of individual lights? I'm not crazy about all of those extra shell penetrations when, for my money, just one color changing LED light is necessary to fulfill my "bling". MS offered a multitude of lights like these when I ordered my LSX 4 years ago but I opted not to order them just from the extra shell penetrations standpoint.
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I think it looks more like a copy of a Coleman than a Sundance.
You're right Micah, I think it looks alot like a Coleman 471. The way the lounger is designed is very similar except the Coleman has a hooded foot releif dome. The filter cover area reminds me of a Sundance. I think it's a nice looking spa.....
Chas, how many filters does the Limelight have?
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I'm pretty sure it only has one, like the Tiger River spas. I know for sure it has three suctions down low, and two jet pumps. We haven't gotten ours yet - we went to the factory today but only picked up three spas and a mess of covers - but I promise as soon as I get my hands on one I'll
spam it up -er - answer the questions you have posed.
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Are beta testers needed?
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We ordered three of them yesterday. They are selling like hotcakes!
Term
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Looks like a combo of the new Marquis with a Coleman and Tiger River flare. Marquis Spas now has those same under water led lights, I sure hope the are more reliable than the previuos fiber optics that have been used in the industry, for me it was a service nightmare above the water I can't imagine if they leak when they are under water YIKES!!! I don't suppose the metal frames to be of Watkins standards for long though.
Are we to assume that there is a 5 year warranty on this new line of spas as well?
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7 year no leak shell
5 year shell surface
3 year no leak plumbing
3 year component
3 year No-Fault heater
3 year cabinet
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We ordered three of them yesterday. They are selling like hotcakes!
Term
Hi Term, do you know the HP of the pumps, and the jet count. What are the outside dimensions?
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Hi Term, do you know the HP of the pumps, and the jet count. What are the outside dimensions?
Howdy Jo!
Two 2.0 HP Wavemaster Pumps
41 Jets
7' x 7' x 36" 310 Gallons
About a million lights and a waterfall
Termie
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Very nice!!
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Very nice!!
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Jo,
you get better looking with each picture of you Term's put up. How do you stay in such get shape.. ;)
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Bombay Saphire 8-) ::) :-* :-*
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We are bringing one to the home show next week end. It will be wet. Looking forward to seeing consumer reaction. :)
Looking forward to selling a few. :D
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Bombay Saphire 8-) ::) :-* :-*
Tis true....
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WOW!! I didn't know they made them that big!!!!
That size might last me a full week ;D ;D ;D
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WOW!! I didn't know they made them that big! That size might last me a full week ;D
Use a smaller straw.
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Howdy Jo!
Two 2.0 HP Wavemaster Pumps
41 Jets
7' x 7' x 36" 310 Gallons
About a million lights and a waterfall
Termie
Well geez weez look at these!
http://www.jacuzzihottubs.com/j-200/index.html
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Well geez weez look at these!
http://www.jacuzzihottubs.com/j-200/index.html
Geez, if you're going to look at those you might as well look at these too! :)
http://www.sunbeltspas.com/
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Geez, if you're going to look at those you might as well look at these too! :)
http://www.sunbeltspas.com/
That link should come with a warning. The female "model" on their hot tub page was a little scary :o
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Here are some pictures of the Limelight Flair Hot Tub that so many of you have requested:
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(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/DSC04791.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/DSC04793.jpg)
It uses the 65 sq. ft. Tiger River filters:
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Jesse got to sit in the fire truck yesterday. Firemen are the BEST!
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Terminator
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Howdy Jo!
Two 2.0 HP Wavemaster Pumps
41 Jets
7' x 7' x 36" 310 Gallons
About a million lights and a waterfall
Termie
I'm surprised the spa can put out Caldera like jet pressure with only two 2.0 HP Wavemaster Pumps. Does the Limelight bypass filtering method actually increase jet pressure compared to the conventional HS no bypass method?
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Its not no by-pass filtration, and they put a lot of holes in that spa.
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I'm surprised the spa can put out Caldera like jet pressure with only two 2.0 HP Wavemaster Pumps.
Looking at the jet types, placement, etc., and knowing the dimensions...
2 - 2.0 HP Wavemasters should have no problem running that spa. There are ample jet control valves to ensure enough pressure for a therapeutic massage.
Gotta give it to the boys at Watkins - that looks pretty well laid-out. And that lighting really gets me - even if the spa has to be drained to change - that is cutting edge.
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Gotta give it to the boys at Watkins - that looks pretty well laid-out. And that lighting really gets me - even if the spa has to be drained to change - that is cutting edge.
I may be mistaken but I think it is the made by Sloan and is the same system that Marquis is now using or is very similar.
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Cutting edge? Not really, probably get slammed for this, but it looks like they took ideas from others and built their own spa. It will sell, but Like I said before, will not be hard to sell against.
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Cutting edge? Not really, probably get slammed for this, but it looks like they took ideas from others and built their own spa. It will sell, but Like I said before, will not be hard to sell against.
Could someone be feeling a little Jacqueezy? ;) ::)
Just kiddin.....
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Mendo,
Just looked at the Marquis site - I'm pretty sure you're right. (I still think it's a neat idea.)
JJ,
I stand corrected, and I do agree that it's looking to grab that corner of the market. I think they're doing a good job - it's an attractive spa.
I don't anticipate any greater difficulty selling against it, than against the other spas in my area. Although, my presentation doesn't involve my competitors much (the customer needs to THINK ABOUT ME DANGIT!!!!).
HS guys,
it's still a nice spa - I'm sure you'll enjoy selling it as much as I'm enjoying my new models.
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Cutting edge? Not really, probably get slammed for this, but it looks like they took ideas from others and built their own spa. It will sell, but Like I said before, will not be hard to sell against.
It is funny you say that... this summer we sold a diamante spa at a few fairs and the lounge in it was shaped almost identical to this one and I thinking how close they appear to be when looking at this limelight....it does not look real inviting but surprisingly it was very very comfortable.
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Could someone be feeling a little Jacqueezy? ;) ::)
Just kiddin.....
I know your kidding, Jacuzzi has something similar in the J-200 spa line, not as many jets or lights, but still a price point spa. I use it to sell the upper end spa's. Problem is if you make a lower end price point spa to nice, it can hurt your high end sellers.
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I know your kidding, Jacuzzi has something similar in the J-200 spa line, not as many jets or lights, but still a price point spa. I use it to sell the upper end spa's. Problem is if you make a lower end price point spa to nice, it can hurt your high end sellers.
This is not a low end spa. It is simply a spa that appeals to a different buyer.
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This is not a low end spa. It is simply a spa that appeals to a different buyer.
I have the same Jets in my 5 year old Crown Xl
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I finally got mine. Wow - it looks better than I remember.
I was unloading the truck and trailer early this morning - and a guy came up. He wanted Big, a stereo, and Bling. I showed him the Limelight and new La Palma by taking them off the trailer, setting them down right there in the parking lot, and unwrapping them. He bought a LaPalma with stereo. If the larger Limelight had been ready to go, he would have bought that.
Good first showing, I would say.
We had a guy call in sick, so I just moved the two spas into the warehouse and left them near the door to the showroom. We have already shown it a couple more times, and I think we may have the Limelight sold.
They may not be 'hard to sell against,' but they also don't seem to be that hard to sell.
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Problem is if you make a lower end price point spa to nice, it can hurt your high end sellers.
Heh heh heh....the Limelight served its purpose today: I used it to sell a HS Vista, Vanguard, and 2 Sovereigns today. It is a great comparative tool to show how everyone else makes spas and then how HotSprings are made. I love the thing!
Happy Easter Pie to all!
Term
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I'm confused..."how everyone else makes spas? I thought thi Limelight was a beautiful new (less expensive) addition to the HS line, why would it be the bad example? :-/
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It's not a BAD example, it's just everything that a HotSpring is not for the most part: a lot of jets, a lot of lights, a lot of bypass valves, metal frame, less insulation, less expensive. So, I showed it to folks and explained that this is how most of the other spas are made nowadays and they said "Yes, this is similiar to what the Doololly Spa salesman showed us" and I said "Now, this is how the HotSpring Spas are different".
Everyone today liked the difference. Tomorrow it may be just the opposite.
I really do think the Limelight Tubs will become very popular, but the HotSpring Spas are still pretty hard to beat.
Anyways, it was a busy day and I hope tomorrow is as well for all us hardworkin' spa peddlers!
Term
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Heh heh heh....the Limelight served its purpose today: I used it to sell a HS Vista, Vanguard, and 2 Sovereigns today. It is a great comparative tool to show how everyone else makes spas and then how HotSprings are made. I love the thing!
Happy Easter Pie to all!
Term
maybe everyone else but Arctic.
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maybe everyone else but Arctic.
I was referring to competing brands sold locally. Arctic does not have a dealer in our area as far as I know.
Term
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Thats funny cause tell everyone that a Hot Springs is not really any better than a Jacuzzi, Sundance or Marquis,D1 just different and over priced, and most say yeah they are over priced, as I sell em a Jacuzzi.
Really with out getting into a huge debate which I am sure this will become after I say this. What makes a Hot Springs so much better than any of the other major manufacturers? Cause to tell you the truth, I don't see it.
Lets see no bypass filtration, moto massage, full foam, jets, warranty,ozone, construction? Or let me guess they never break down? Yeah right. ::) The only thing I see there is no by pass filtration WOW, moto massage, some people hate it, some love it, most I have talked to that wet tested did not care for it. So please enlighten me as to why a HS spa is really so much better than the Jacuzzi's I sell.
And I will agree that HS does build a nice spa but it dang sure is not as nice as any other major spa builders spa.
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I was referring to competing brands sold locally. Arctic does not have a dealer in our area as far as I know.
Term
I just wanted the "everyone else" statement clarified thats all. You are correct, no Arctic dealer in your area.
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Thats funny cause tell everyone that a Hot Springs is not really any better than a Jacuzzi, Sundance or Marquis,D1 just different and over priced, and most say yeah they are over priced, as I sell em a Jacuzzi.
Really with out getting into a huge debate which I am sure this will become after I say this. What makes a Hot Springs so much better than any of the other major manufacturers? Cause to tell you the truth, I don't see it.
Lets see no bypass filtration, moto massage, full foam, jets, warranty,ozone, construction? Or let me guess they never break down? Yeah right. ::) The only thing I see there is no by pass filtration WOW, moto massage, some people hate it, some love it, most I have talked to that wet tested did not care for it. So please enlighten me as to why a HS spa is really so much better than the Jacuzzi's I sell.
And I will agree that HS does build a nice spa but it dang sure is not as nice as any other major spa builders spa.
It is always better to be honest with customers and to be positive. When you tell a prospective customer that the competitor is "overpriced" and that "their spa is no better than mine", you will sound like every other salesman peddling something.
I much prefer the approach of saying "This is similiar to what you have seen at the other places you've shopped. Since you are still shopping, you have obviously not found what you were looking for. If you have a few minutes, I will be happy to show you how we do things differently from the others. Hopefully, you will find what you're looking for."
Then I show them the differences and let THE CUSTOMER decide which makes the most sense and is best FOR THEM. Most of the time, they like what they see here. Sometimes they don't and I simply remind myself that I will probably get an opportunity to sell them a spa in a few years. Other times, they hate me and I hate them and we promise to naked Indian wrestle if our paths ever cross again.
Every salesperson has their own approach. This is mine.
Ya'll be good! :)
Term
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What makes a Hot Springs so much better than any of the other major manufacturers? Cause to tell you the truth, I don't see it.
So please enlighten me as to why a HS spa is really so much better than the Jacuzzi's I sell.
The answer, my little pidgeon, is complicated, but I will try to explain:
[size=16]BECAUSE IT'S A HOT SPRING SPA!![/size].
Rich
Drinkin' the new Limelight Kool-Aid :D :D
(But, Jim, I do have a Jacuzzi jetted tub and a Jacuzzi shower in my bathroom....)
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Good for Hot springs to introduce a new line, but, it pretty much looks like a remake of a lot spas already made! ::) Wont be hard to sell against!
Ouch!!!! That's going to hurt.... :o
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I'm very new to the Spa arena and I'm trying to purchase my first one. The only source I have been using other than spa store salesmen and a co-worker is this website.
The HS dealers on this site remind me of Harley Davidson owners. I ride a rice-burner cruiser and have owned and rode many brands over the years. When on the road I can't always get a Harley rider to wave to me. I have a Fat Boy looking cruiser and sometimes they think I'm on a Harley.
The point I'm trying to make is that it is great to be proud of the product you sell as long as you don't put your nose in the air while doing it.
The hardest thing I'm dealing with is that there is several good choices out there and my decision is taking a long time because I keep scheduling wet tests. And the other thing is that the model that might be just right for me is not wet on the show floor. Example is at the Hot Spring dealer I thought the Grandee would be the right spa for me but he had me test an Envoy which I found very uncomfortable. At the Jacuzzi dealer we thought a J-470 or J-365 would be the ticket and they had me test a J-465 and J-345 which the family did enjoy the J-345. The Coast dealer did pull the tub from the warehouse and fill it for me so that I could test the Radiance model I was looking at so that was cool but a little too cool because the water was only 88 degrees.
If I bought a spa right now it would be either a Coast Spa or a Jacuzzi spa. The thing I really enjoyed about the local Jacuzzi dealer is that they refused to talk bad about any of their competitors, they would only talk about the benefits of owning a Jacuzzi which was very classy. I liked East Tx Spa's comment earlier all except the naked Indian thing.
OK, I'm stepping off my soapbox now, sorry if I offended anyone.....
Scott :)
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Swell-tub, I think that last post was spot-on! I feel exactly the same way about salesman bashing their competition. I just ordered a Marquis Epic. The salesman used to sell HS, and he had nothing but praise for their tubs as well, and I told him that HS was my 2nd choice. I currently ride a Harley, but I remember the 20+ years I rode a Japanese bike before that -- Not a single Harley guy would wave, if they recognized the bike as foreign. Some of my friends wouldn't even invite me to ride with them, if they knew all their "Harley friends" were coming out. Great analogy! 8-)
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I liked East Tx Spa's comment earlier all except the naked Indian thing.
I'm sorry. I should have said Pehlwani.
Term
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I'm sorry. I should have said Pehlwani.
Term
There you go again using them big fancy words.....
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Wow - I guess I should buy another Hawg. I mean, as long as I am going to be lumped into a group of people, I might as well live up to the stereotype. Actually, I sold my Harley close to thirty years ago because the parts were so expensive. Unfortunately, it kept rattling those expensive parts off onto the road as I drove it. I know - the EVO and other improvements have erased all of that...
So - what I want to know is if I was going down the road in my HotSpring, would other Harley riders wave at me?
As to the question, "what makes HotSpring better," I would simply say this -
Watkins makes some fine products. They live up to the promises they make, and perform well for a lifetime. If you find one which fits your yard, your back, and your budget, you should buy it - you will not be disappointed.
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I finally got mine. Wow - it looks better than I remember.
I was unloading the truck and trailer early this morning - and a guy came up. He wanted Big, a stereo, and Bling. I showed him the Limelight and new La Palma by taking them off the trailer, setting them down right there in the parking lot, and unwrapping them. He bought a LaPalma with stereo. If the larger Limelight had been ready to go, he would have bought that.
Good first showing, I would say.
We had a guy call in sick, so I just moved the two spas into the warehouse and left them near the door to the showroom. We have already shown it a couple more times, and I think we may have the Limelight sold.
They may not be 'hard to sell against,' but they also don't seem to be that hard to sell.
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Swell, good luck with the search. I also tend to over analyze purchases myself. I've been looking for a laptop for over three months and can't pull the trigger. Compare that with the person above from Chas's post. He couldn't even wait for the wrapper to be taken off before he made the purchase. I bet he doesn't have a drawer full of spa brochures like we do.
My dad rides a Jap Cruiser and he feels the same way. What didn't you like about the HS model? A Grandee is quite a bit different than an Envoy. Do you have another HS dealer in your area? Maybe you could give the Grandee a shot before you are done.
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Do you get to Southern Cal at all? I would fill my Grandee for you if I knew you were coming.
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To clear a few things up, I don't bash the competition during a sales presentation, I do show them the benifits of why they should own a Jacuzzi, and I don't just come out and say a Hot Springs is an overpriced hunk of plastic.
Usually when the subject comes up, it is after the sale has been made or during the write up, even as long as a week or two later when they comment how happy they are they purchased a Jacuzzi. I go through the pricing with the customer, and it sometimes comes up how the Hot springs they were looking at was so high priced. I simply say, yes I believe they are over priced for what you get.
Case in point, I sold a J-315 to a lady that was looking at a jetsetter, I sold her the J-315 for 5495.00 she remind you, she told me they wanted 7400.00 for the jetsetter. Now I know pricing can vary all over the country for spa's, but to me there is no way in -ell a jetsetter is worth 7400 bucks least not to me anyway, and judging from my sales a lot of people that shop around here agree with me.
I should add this lady first wet tested the jetsetter, she called me and wanted to try a J-325, so I filled it for her, then she wanted to try the J-315 so I transfered water and that was the ticket. ;)
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Case in point, I sold a J-315 to a lady that was looking at a jetsetter, I sold her the J-315 for 5495.00 she remind you, she told me they wanted 7400.00 for the jetsetter. Now I know pricing can vary all over the country for spa's, but to me there is no way in -ell a jetsetter is worth 7400 bucks least not to me anyway, and judging from my sales a lot of people that shop around here agree with me.
Jet wise, Jacuzzi is the leader :)
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Wow - I guess I should buy another Hawg. I mean, as long as I am going to be lumped into a group of people, I might as well live up to the stereotype. Actually, I sold my Harley close to thirty years ago because the parts were so expensive. Unfortunately, it kept rattling those expensive parts off onto the road as I drove it. I know - the EVO and other improvements have erased all of that...
So - what I want to know is if I was going down the road in my HotSpring, would other Harley riders wave at me?
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My assistant rides a Harley and she will ride with me, so I am excepted by the female Harley owners, I guess when you pay 20 grand for a motorcycle you feel like a member of the Grey Poupon group or something. I acted this way when I bought a Lexus and then I went to the service department to have a spare key made. It cost $150 and while I was waiting in the waiting area that had Cherry Wood book cases with coffee, donuts, cookies, free pop, large flat screen TV's, WiFi, leather couches, etc, I thought "what have I done?" I've become one of those Grey Poupon people. I ran home and threw mud on my Lexus so that I could hide the guilt. BTW I had a key lob made for my wifes Toyota Avalon last week and it cost $300. So I guess with these new cars you better not lose your keys.
Anyway my problem with most tubs is finding a deep seat. I'm 6'0" and my wife is 5'5" and we both have a 30" inseam on our pants. So I have an extra 7" in the torso (there I go bragging again). When I sit in a tub I want my shoulders under the water and neck jets making butter out of my neck, which is my major problem area. Also I don't want a lounger or whimpy jets and I want color lights, waterfall, nice sound system and a tub that isn't so noisy that you can't carry on a conversation while you are sitting in it. Am I asking to much or is there such a spa?
Scott ::)
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Thats funny cause tell everyone that a Hot Springs is not really any better than a Jacuzzi, Sundance or Marquis,D1 just different and over priced, and most say yeah they are over priced, as I sell em a Jacuzzi.
To clear a few things up, I don't bash the competition during a sales presentation
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..and I don't just come out and say a Hot Springs is an overpriced hunk of plastic.
Usually when the subject comes up, it is after the sale has been made or during the write up, even as long as a week or two later when they comment how happy they are they purchased a Jacuzzi. I go through the pricing with the customer, and it sometimes comes up how the Hot springs they were looking at was so high priced. I simply say, yes I believe they are over priced for what you get.
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Maybe your competition is overpriced, but that doesn't go for Hot Spring on the whole. I'm not going to bash Jacuzzi, but from my own personal experience, Hot Spring Spas are worth more money than most competitors. We don't have much of a trade-in business that doesn't revolve around other brands of spas. I've got a few customers that still have their Hot Spring tubs from 25-28 years ago.
I fail to see how a quarter of a century of enjoyment is 'overpriced for what you get.'
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Do you get to Southern Cal at all? I would fill my Grandee for you if I knew you were coming.
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What part of Southern CA?
I'm guessing I could get Spa's by Renee to fill up a Grandee for me.
So I'm serious here, the HS seems a little under powered, does the Grandee use the same pumps as the Envoy?
Also does the Caldera have different jets or larger pumps because they seem to have more water action.
What I liked best about HS is that they had their own service department instead of farming it out. They also had a warehouse of spare parts so you didn't need to wait for parts to arrive. I felt like I would get the best support after the sale with the local HS dealer.
Scott :)
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I should have said let me refraise that! And I probably shouldn't have posted it after so many cold ones. ;)
Doesn't matter I know how I sell.
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Maybe your competition is overpriced, but that doesn't go for Hot Spring on the whole. I'm not going to bash Jacuzzi, but from my own personal experience, Hot Spring Spas are worth more money than most competitors. We don't have much of a trade-in business that doesn't revolve around other brands of spas. I've got a few customers that still have their Hot Spring tubs from 25-28 years ago.
I fail to see how a quarter of a century of enjoyment is 'overpriced for what you get.'
Sorry I forgot, Jacuzzi hasn't been around very long. 8-)
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I should have said let me refraise that! And I probably shouldn't have posted it after so many cold ones. ;)
You should not drink and post....
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/DSC03752copy.jpg)
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Maybe your competition is overpriced, but that doesn't go for Hot Spring on the whole. I'm not going to bash Jacuzzi, but from my own personal experience, Hot Spring Spas are worth more money than most competitors. We don't have much of a trade-in business that doesn't revolve around other brands of spas. I've got a few customers that still have their Hot Spring tubs from 25-28 years ago.
I fail to see how a quarter of a century of enjoyment is 'overpriced for what you get.'
I appreciate what your saying. But there are several makers who have 20 old plus years tub people are still soaking in. I think HS is a fine tub and if it is the right tub for the person looking a great choice but no better, no worse than a Marquis, Jacuzzi, Sundance, D-1 and a few others. each of those makers all have things that they do better than the others but are so close that it comes down to personal preference.
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Sorry I forgot, Jacuzzi hasn't been around very long. 8-)
I am not sure or not but with over 250 pattens, I think they have more than the rest of the industry combined.
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I finally got mine. Wow - it looks better than I remember.
I was unloading the truck and trailer early this morning - and a guy came up. He wanted Big, a stereo, and Bling. I showed him the Limelight and new La Palma by taking them off the trailer, setting them down right there in the parking lot, and unwrapping them. He bought a LaPalma with stereo. If the larger Limelight had been ready to go, he would have bought that.
Good first showing, I would say.
We had a guy call in sick, so I just moved the two spas into the warehouse and left them near the door to the showroom. We have already shown it a couple more times, and I think we may have the Limelight sold.
They may not be 'hard to sell against,' but they also don't seem to be that hard to sell.
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Congrats on the success with the new spas! Our Limelight will be here Tuesday or Wednesday, which someone is already eyeing up. I can't wait to get it up and running in the showroom.
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What part of Southern CA?
I'm guessing I could get Spa's by Renee to fill up a Grandee for me.
So I'm serious here, the HS seems a little under powered, does the Grandee use the same pumps as the Envoy?
Also does the Caldera have different jets or larger pumps because they seem to have more water action.
What I liked best about HS is that they had their own service department instead of farming it out. They also had a warehouse of spare parts so you didn't need to wait for parts to arrive. I felt like I would get the best support after the sale with the local HS dealer.
Scott :)
I believe the Caldera spas typically put out more jet pressure than HS. I'm not sure if this has to do with using more powerful pumps or if it's related to having bypass filtering. The dealers might be able to chime in here.
I was in the same camp when I was looking for a spas. I thought I wanted a spa that would pound you with very high jet pressure. As it turns out, you can only take a few minutes of that. As a matter of fact, 80% of the time my family turns the jets completely off when we soak. I would tend to go with a dealer that you can trust and one that will be around for you in the future. Good luck with your quest.
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That's what I hear from most of our customers - that the jets in their HotSpring tubs put out more than enough oomph.
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I believe the Caldera spas typically put out more jet pressure than HS. I'm not sure if this has to do with using more powerful pumps or if it's related to having bypass filtering. The dealers might be able to chime in here.
I was in the same camp when I was looking for a spas. I thought I wanted a spa that would pound you with very high jet pressure. As it turns out, you can only take a few minutes of that. As a matter of fact, 80% of the time my family turns the jets completely off when we soak. I would tend to go with a dealer that you can trust and one that will be around for you in the future. Good luck with your quest.
For me personally I just do not care for the Caldera jets in my wet testing (I actually had deposit down a Caldera) I found the jets they use to be to small creating high pressure just like a high pressure nozzle would do on a garden hose. I am not trying to knock the Calderas many people seem to like them. But if I had liked the them I would not be a dealer today.
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That's what I hear from most of our customers - that the jets in their HotSpring tubs put out more than enough oomph.
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See the problem is that if you are packing too much extra weight like me you need more oomph to get through the fat. I'm thinking a wet test on a Grandee might be in order.....
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See the problem is that if you are packing too much extra weight like me you need more oomph to get through the fat. I'm thinking a wet test on a Grandee might be in order.....
It would be worth the time, just so you know if it will work for you or not. You don't want to be left wandering "what if" on a purchase like this.
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Anyway my problem with most tubs is finding a deep seat. I'm 6'0" and my wife is 5'5" and we both have a 30" inseam on our pants. So I have an extra 7" in the torso (there I go bragging again). When I sit in a tub I want my shoulders under the water and neck jets making butter out of my neck, which is my major problem area. Also I don't want a lounger or whimpy jets and I want color lights, waterfall, nice sound system and a tub that isn't so noisy that you can't carry on a conversation while you are sitting in it. Am I asking to much or is there such a spa?
Scott ::)
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Scott--Have you found anything yet?? We are looking for deep seats (hubby is 6' 2 1/2 " 240 and I am 5/5) and lots of jets and bling. Gets overwhelming the more you look. But, hey, the last spa I owned (really my mom's, RIP) was a Viking 1 and that was fun enough, what with a beer and a cigar ;) after work and snow faling around....hmmmmm...that is why we are looking again!!
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::)Scott--Have you found anything yet?? We are looking for deep seats (hubby is 6' 2 1/2 " 240 and I am 5/5) and lots of jets and bling. Gets overwhelming the more you look. But, hey, the last spa I owned (really my mom's, RIP) was a Viking 1 and that was fun enough, what with a beer and a cigar ;) after work and snow faling around....hmmmmm...that is why we are looking again!!
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I wet test a Sundance Optima this Thursday, and I have high hopes. I did look at a Sundance Maxxum and it is 40 inches deep I really liked it except it had a big lounger in it. The Optima is 36 or 37 inches deep so I will let you know.
Scott ;)
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::)Scott--Have you found anything yet?? We are looking for deep seats (hubby is 6' 2 1/2 " 240 and I am 5/5) and lots of jets and bling. Gets overwhelming the more you look. But, hey, the last spa I owned (really my mom's, RIP) was a Viking 1 and that was fun enough, what with a beer and a cigar ;) after work and snow faling around....hmmmmm...that is why we are looking again!!
Chrisi of wewannahottubI wet test a Sundance Optima this Thursday, and I have high hopes. I did look at a Sundance Maxxum and it is 40 inches deep I really liked it except it had a big lounger in it. The Optima is 36 or 37 inches deep so I will let you know.
Scott ;)
Good Luck. Our Sundance dealer tells us that the Maxxus is what Ben Roethlisberger of the Stillers (GO Stillers!) bought--cost some fat cash, of which he makes. Just a litle tidbit for any of you Steeler fans heehee LOL
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Good Luck. Our Sundance dealer tells us that the Maxxus is what Ben Roethlisberger of the Stillers (GO Stillers!) bought--cost some fat cash, of which he makes. Just a litle tidbit for any of you Steeler fans heehee LOL
Chrisi
Sundance dealer told me that the Optima is not available tomorrow night and we will have to wet test the Maxxus. So all but one of my wet test have been a lounger model.
Scott :(
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I love my 07 Optima. No lounger but that isn't a problem. Great foot well with plenty of jets. A couple of shallower seats and a couple of deeper seats. Something for everyone.
Hold out for a wet test in the Optima. If the dealer wants your business, he will get one ready for you.
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Sundance dealer told me that the Optima is not available tomorrow night and we will have to wet test the Maxxus. So all but one of my wet test have been a lounger model.
Scott :(
You don't think it is a ploy to sell you the bigger (and more $$) tub, do you??
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You don't think it is a ploy to sell you the bigger (and more $$) tub, do you??
Might be, but I have made it clear that I don't want a lounger because IMHO they are a big waste of space in a tub. Maybe I will be converted but so far it hasn't happened.
Scott ;)
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I love my 07 Optima. No lounger but that isn't a problem. Great foot well with plenty of jets. A couple of shallower seats and a couple of deeper seats. Something for everyone.
Hold out for a wet test in the Optima. If the dealer wants your business, he will get one ready for you.
I gotta agree with SOS--if the Optima is what you want to wet test--hold out for it!!
Sounds again like a ploy to get you soakin' in the bigger tub. (and lovin' it)
We made that mistake on the Clearwater we wet tested--"I don't think the manager will fill the Orlando. He wants to take it to a show). So, the show is coming, but the salesgirl doesn't "know what tubs he's is taking"-----------which led me to start this whole new thread!!!
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Might be, but I have made it clear that I don't want a lounger because IMHO they are a big waste of space in a tub. Maybe I will be converted but so far it hasn't happened.
Scott ;)
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I agree as well, which is why we started focusing on the Clearwater orlando--2 HUGE massage chairs that are not loungers. O well. there are others out there.
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We're moving the Limelight Flair into the mood room and I'll do a full review on it.
You can see it all live on the webcam.
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We're moving the Limelight Flair into the mood room and I'll do a full review on it.
You can see it all live on the webcam.
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Post that link again for the web cam will ya... thx
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Looks like four of you will be commencing to do the swap?
OH !! You took your shirt off! You must mean business now!
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Post that link again for the web cam will ya... thx
HEY, I didn't see any link for the webcam---where would I find it??
I'd love to see the "mood room" with the Limelight, even if it is back on my list to wet test.
Thanks--
WWHT
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http://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1196786320
I'm trying to get camera 3 mounted in the mood room. The spa looks pretty dang nice!
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DUDE!!
looks cool! I'll check back and peek again!
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All I know is this should be their company theme song! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGGdW4-UYbY
Zep--I just clicked on the link, hahaha!! Rush "Limelight" video, my fave Canadian band, eh??!!