Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Zep on February 07, 2008, 06:05:21 pm
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Have you ever wondered what idiots look like?
Well, wonder no more!
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/ItsZep/Hot%20Tub/16955b73.jpg)
YES THAT IS A POWER CORD FLOATING ON FLIP FLOPS
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Services are pending..............
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I simply will not comment on this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I simply will not comment on this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will ... I would hope that this is just a funny joking photo. No one can be that big of an idiot (times at least 4 people). If for some reason someone did have that stuff plugged in - I hope the plug did fall in - get rid of that gene pool (no pun intended).
Of course with all the beer bottles around this could be a poster of why we should drink responsively.
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Very funny pic. Looks staged to me though. I still like it.....
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Very funny pic. Looks staged to me though. I still like it.....
My thoughts exactly, but maybe they are from here.
(http://mccallw.tripod.com/border.jpg)
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Yeah.....
Everyone knows you shouldn't
have glass near a pool....
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One of my employees was electrocuted two years ago working
on a pump in a pond at his Mother's house.
Fire ants had eaten through some wiring and somehow when he
was in the water it killed him instantly right in front of his young
granddaughter watching "PaPa fix the pond".
After that I went crazy on GFI outlets!
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I can't find the newspaper article but some chucklehead was electrocuted a couple of weeks ago. He was trying to steal copper wire from a construction site and cut into a 600 volt feed line with a rusty old pair of wire cutters.
I guess that guy actually paid his stupid fine
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I can't find the newspaper article but some chucklehead was electrocuted a couple of weeks ago. Â He was trying to steal copper wire from a construction site and cut into a 600 volt feed line with a rusty old pair of wire cutters.
I guess that guy actually paid his stupid fine
Well, there sure seems to be a lot of idiots out there.
I googled "electrocuted stealing wire" and got a bazillion hits all over the country.
Ah, the lure of copper!
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Rich.....here is one for ya!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b2_1202253681
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b2_1202253681
I couldn't watch...was it gross?
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Oh come on lurkergirl......be brave!
it's not bad
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It might be just me, but the outlets in that pool photo look European. So, I guess that would be 220 volts, 50 cycles.
From what I have heard, it doesn't even hurt.
You die far too fast for it to hurt.
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PS - so sorry to hear about the employee who died. Wow - I am big on GFI also.
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Rich.....here is one for ya!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b2_1202253681
Well, I guess he showed her!
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Thanks Chas.....it was very sad....such a waste.
Before that happened my house did not have GFI outlets in
places like my front and back yards, my garage, my kitchen....
now they all have GFI outlets.
Chas I am not very handy....and have a question about GFI
As far as GFI outlets....I know they shut off the current when tripped
but can you still get shocked or electrocuted in the milosecond it takes
a GFI to trip? In other words are they almost 100% effective? If I was
sitting in bath tub and a tv plugged into a GFI fell in the tub water would
I even get a shock or does the GFI work so quick you wouldn't even feel
a shock for a second?
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GFIs are wonderful safety nets..but they can fail! Just because you have one installed, doesn't mean it will work 100% of the time. That is why you need to periodically test them.
I had an electrician tell me I was over kill because I have a GFI in my electric box in additon to one on the post at my fish pond. Hey he should know better than I do, but I felt safer with that set up. I have GFIs in my basement circuits, all outdoor circuits, all my kitchen (code requirement) and bathroom circuits.
I have noticed that hair dryers have them now on the cords in case people would drop them into water. Haven't noticed that on TV cords yet though  ;)
Get busy Zep, they aren't a big deal to install and you just need to remember to test them every so often.
http://ttp://www.diynetwork.com/diy/el_cords_outlets_wiring/article/0,,DIY_13803_2275358,00.html
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That link isn't working...sorry..but here is the DIY article:
Q: I have an older home, and a friend told me I should replace my bathroom outlet with a GFCI outlet. What is this, and why should I install it?
A: (James Young, Ask DIY Electrical expert) GFCI stands for Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter, and it means an outlet that can prevent against electrical shock in wet locations such as bathrooms, kitchens and outdoor areas.
Here's how it works: Say you're standing in front of the bathroom sink, using a blow dryer, and you drop the appliance into the sink, which is full of water. With a regular outlet, the dryer may just keep running, and if you touch the water (or any that has splashed out), you may get a bad -- even fatal -- shock.
With a GFCI outlet, the power will automatically turn off, thus saving you from serious injury or death. So you see why this type of outlet is so important.
A GFCI has two buttons (figure A): a test button and a reset button. To test the unit (which you should remember to do periodically), plug in an appliance such as a hair dryer and turn it on. While it's running, press the test button. The dryer should stop. Once you've ascertained that the GFCI is working correctly, unplug the dryer and press the reset button.
Installing a GFCI is a job that a do-it-yourselfer can accomplish in a fairly short time, but remember to use extreme caution when working with electricity.
Turn off the power to the circuit you'll be working on. Over the breaker, place a strip of tape with Do not touch written on it; it's also not a bad idea to place a similar sign on the front of the breaker box (figure B).
Use a tester to make sure the power to the outlet is indeed turned off (figure C).
Remove the screws holding the cover plate and take the plate off. Then test the outlet again -- and be sure to use the tester to probe all around the box to make sure there's no "juice" at all (figure D).
Remove the mounting screw and take the outlet from the wall.
Remove the wires from the outlet in the following order: Starting with the black (hot) wire, loosen the screw that holds it by turning it counterclockwise (figure E). Then do the same to remove the white (neutral) wire and lastly, the ground wire.
Straighten out the neutral and ground wires and strip about 1/2" from the end of each (figure F). Leave the hot wire as is.
To attach the GFCI, start with the ground wire. Attach it to the green screw by forming a hook on the end of the wire, hooking it around the screw and tightening it, turning the screw clockwise (figure G).
Note that the GFCI receptacle has two holes in the back; this is called a stab-in receptacle. Starting with the neutral wire, push the end of it into the hole on the side with the silver screw (figure H). Tighten the screw to hold the wire.
Repeat with the hot wire, attaching it through the hole on the side with the brass-colored screw. Tighten the screw.
Gently push the wires back into the box, then line up the mounting screw with the corresponding hole and tighten (figure H).
Replace the cover plate.
Remember: If you have any questions or fears about working with electricity, call a licensed electrician. This type of work can be very dangerous, and there's no use risking your life just to save a little money!
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Thanks Boni......but like I said after the guy I worked with died I went crazy getting GFI outlets.
All my outdoor, garage, bathrooms, kitchens.....ect.....now have GFI outlets.
You're right though.....I do need to buy one of the testers and test them.
(http://www.builderdepot.com/GARDNERBENDER_20/prodimg/1100410.JPG)
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woops, I missed the part that said you already installed them..sorry Zep :-[
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Chas I am not very handy....and have a question about GFI
As far as GFI outlets....I know they shut off the current when tripped
but can you still get shocked or electrocuted in the milosecond it takes
a GFI to trip? In other words are they almost 100% effective? If I was
sitting in bath tub and a tv plugged into a GFI fell in the tub water would
I even get a shock or does the GFI work so quick you wouldn't even feel
a shock for a second?
They are supposed to shut off at 500 millivolts. That is such a tiny amount that you really should not feel it. And if they are working correctly, they will shut off before you could feel even a tickle.
A GFI can protect the entire circuit that comes after it. That is, put a GFI on the first outlet on a branch circuit, and all the outlets downstream from that outlet will be protected by the GFI. This can be good, and bad. I set my kitchen up with ALL GFI outlets, and wired them so that if one trips the others do not. That is because I have my computer in the nook in our kitchen and it happens to be on that branch circuit. I don't want to have my computer shut off if my wife cuts the cord on the electric carving knife. Again.
Other than special instances like that, it is fine to have all the downstream outlets protected by the first one in line. Here is an example of a guy who wired his own house and put GFI outlets in one area right below his electrical panel. The circuits then go off to all parts of his house and shop. This way, if an outlet anywhere in his house goes dead, he can go to the panel and check the circuit breaker AND GFI in one location. They are not labeled in the photo, but he says he labeled them all once he was finished. They also allow a bunch of outlets right there for shop use and other stuff.
(http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/newhouse/wiringplumbing-7.jpg)
For existing construction, you will have to find the first outlet in each branch circuit. Then install the GFI there, and make a map of where they all are. Post that map inside the door of you electrical panel so you know where to go to find and reset them.
8-)
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The only test that you need is to push the "test" button on the GFI. If you need confirmation that the circuit is dead buy either that tester or a night light.
That picture that Chas posted is too funny. I guess some people will put GFI on GFI to be really protected.
New construction should have GFI protection in wet areas, the problem being that the kitchen may be protected by the 2nd level bathroom depending on how the wire was run. My house was built in 1970 and did not have any GFI's in it. As I modernize the house I am putting more circuits in and putting in GFIs where needed.
I remember years ago giving an inservice to nurses about electrical safety and saying how people should install GFIs wherever they have a sink. Someone asked how much would it cost to install and I said probably about $40 each. The person snapped back "that's too expensive!"; my response was "how much would you give to get a loved one back". She shut up!
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The only test that you need is to push the "test" button on the GFI. If you need confirmation that the circuit is dead buy either that tester or a night light.
That picture that Chas posted is too funny. I guess some people will put GFI on GFI to be really protected.
Vinny, I believe each of these are separate circuits all upstream of other outlets elsewhere in the house. Â This way he has all his tripping GFIs in one place (near the circuit beakers I would imagine) while the downstream outlets are protected.
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Vinny, I believe each of these are separate circuits all upstream of other outlets elsewhere in the house. This way he has all his tripping GFIs in one place (near the circuit beakers I would imagine) while the downstream outlets are protected.
That's exactly right. It isn't seen in the photo, but the electrical panel is just above this area. This could be accomplished by putting in a whole bunch ofl GFI breakers, but this guy did it this way for less than half the price, and he didn't mind having all of those extra outlets in his shop area.
There is no 'GIF on GFI,' they all handle just one branch circuit. I think it's a fine idea - no it doesn't look all that pretty - it was later covered with drywall anyway - but it passed inspection and does the job well.
8-)
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I guess my question would be - Why do I want to run into my shop IF a gfi tripped?. Having a local GFI that trips is so much easier. I know I had my outside gfi trip and it is on a GFI breaker ... I had to run into my basement a few times before I found and fixed the problem ... it was a pain running up and down those steps!
The other problem I could see even though it passed code is how much is on that circuit as I plug a power tool (if indeed it is that close to the shop) and possibly pop a breaker.
I realize it works I just don't understand the logic. I wired 2 different gfis in my kitchen since I has 2 different circuits. It was much easier and cheaper to do that then rewire the circuits so I understand the cost factor.
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All good questions, and I would say the best answer would be: do what works best for you. For the house I pictured, the builder was very generous with the number of circuits. If he put the GFI at the first outlet of each circuit, he would have to run all over the house reseting GFI buttons before he found the right one for the circuit in question. Also, he protected overhead lighting circuits and outdoor lighting circuits which don't HAVE a first outlet.
His house is a single-story, and if something goes dead the first (and last) place he will go to is the panel in the shop. So he wanted all the GFI units there in the same place. Now, if this would make it harder for your application, then by all means put the GFI units where it makes sense for your application.
In my house, I did the kitchen on six circuits: a dedicated 20A for the new microwave, another for the disposer, another for the dishwasher, and still another one for the fridge. Then there are two circuits which split the outlets above the counters. There is a seventh circuit which does my overhead lighting and my under-cabinet lighting, but that goes on throughout the rest of the house doing about half the overhead lights.
And the two circuits which split the kitchen outlets also feed a couple of other outlets in the house. So far, it has been working great.
8-)
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YES THAT IS A POWER CORD FLOATING ON FLIP FLOPS
I saw that pic in an email and thought I have done some silly things in MY day, but not that dumb...
8-)Shane