Hot Tub Forum
Original => Hot Tub Forum => Topic started by: Water Boy on January 17, 2008, 12:08:23 pm
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I wanted to first introduce myself. My name is Ed and I manage a store for an Arctic Spa dealer. I have visited this board quite frequently for the last year or so, but I have never taken the time to register a name. I finally did that so I can start chiming in from time to time. I will be glad to answer any questions in regards to Arctic Spas, and spas in general. I know a few post on here from time to time about Arctic Spas, so I decided I would start to do the same.
I wanted to start my first thread off by sharing a nice story a customer told me about their Arctic Spa. We just got through a bad ice storm a couple weeks back, and some of our customers were without electricity for ten days. We had several customers calling that had lost their power, and they were asking what to do with their spas, and that they were worried about them freezing over. We confidently told them to do nothing except to leave their cover on and that thrie spa would be fine. We reassured them this is why they bought an Arctic Spa. Well, to make a long story short, a customer came in yesterday thanking us and praising his spa. He was amazed that in five days, his spa only decreased from 104 degrees, to 86 degrees. And that was with below freezing temperatures at night. When he opened the cover there was still steam rolling off of the top.
Again just thought I would introduce my self and share a good story. I am looking forward to telling more in the future.
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Welcome! Where are you located??
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When he opened the cover there was still steam rolling off of the top.
"Now that's what I call high quality H2O."
Welcome!
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Being an Arctic spa, I figured it would have gone up a degree or two, after the power outage. 8-)
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Thanks for the welcome's. I live in Kansas. And no Wizard of Oz jokes, we have heard them all!!! ;)
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Thanks for the welcome's. I live in Kansas. And no Wizard of Oz jokes, we have heard them all!!! ;)
I still don't understand why your biggest city is in Missouri!
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You must be referring to Kansas City. Half of Kansas City in KS and the other half in KC MO, not all of KC is in Missouri. Also I believe Wichita is larger than KC and it is ALL in Kansas.
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Welcome!
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I sure would like to see one! There are no dealers near me so far. My own spa is getting close to its 5th birthday and the end of its warranty. I have no current plans to buy another when the warranty is up, but you know what they say about the best layed plans. I think the closed dealer to Columbus, Ohio is more than 100 miles.
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You must be referring to Kansas City. Half of Kansas City in KS and the other half in KC MO, not all of KC is in Missouri. Also I believe Wichita is larger than KC and it is ALL in Kansas.
Is Bachelors III still on the Kansas city of KC?
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Thanks for the welcome's. I live in Kansas. And no Wizard of Oz jokes, we have heard them all!!! ;)
Welcome! It is amazing how many people with one leg actually buy spas, and am further amazed that Arctic has created its entire line up cater to these people with one leg and or even no legs. Good for Arctic!!!! Finally a spa that caters to those with crooked spines as well, but for the average person to buy one it doesn't seem to make sense as the molds are all wrong for those of us who sit up and walk on two feet. Are there any plans for Arctic to make a mold that caters to the average human being? Just curious! ;)(The previous was an opinion I had at a glance of looking at the spas and trying them out for each his or her own)
O.k I am kidding! Welcome and Represent your product with pride on here and you will be a great asset to the board. ;)
oh and give my regards to the Tin Man!
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oh really, I have an Arctic Spa and TWO LEGS and love it!
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"I have an Arctic Spa and TWO LEGS and love it!"
Dude...you better watch it....a statement like that really crosses the line!
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Is Bachelors III still on the Kansas city of KC?
I'm not for sure what that is so I couldn't tell you one way or the other!
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Welcome! It is amazing how many people with one leg actually buy spas, and am further amazed that Arctic has created its entire line up cater to these people with one leg and or even no legs. Good for Arctic!!!! Finally a spa that caters to those with crooked spines as well, but for the average person to buy one it doesn't seem to make sense as the molds are all wrong for those of us who sit up and walk on two feet. Are there any plans for Arctic to make a mold that caters to the average human being? Just curious! ;)(The previous was an opinion I had at a glance of looking at the spas and trying them out for each his or her own)
O.k I am kidding! Welcome and Represent your product with pride on here and you will be a great asset to the board. ;)
oh and give my regards to the Tin Man!
Well thanks I guess. Not for sure what you meant by all that. I can tell you that we have many happy customers with the shape and sizes of our spa molds. I have even been told by several that ours seem to be more comfortable than many. So don't know if you were kidding or being serious even though you said you were kidding.
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Welcome! It is amazing how many people with one leg actually buy spas, and am further amazed that Arctic has created its entire line up cater to these people with one leg and or even no legs. Good for Arctic!!!! Finally a spa that caters to those with crooked spines as well, but for the average person to buy one it doesn't seem to make sense as the molds are all wrong for those of us who sit up and walk on two feet. Are there any plans for Arctic to make a mold that caters to the average human being? Just curious! ;)(The previous was an opinion I had at a glance of looking at the spas and trying them out for each his or her own)
O.k I am kidding! Welcome and Represent your product with pride on here and you will be a great asset to the board. ;)
oh and give my regards to the Tin Man!
I was referring to this post. I have two legs and love my Arctic Spa. This guy says that if you have two legs Arctic doesnt offer a comfortable spa. I beg to differ. Very comfortable, try the Summitt!!
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I was referring to this post. I have two legs and love my Arctic Spa. This guy says that if you have two legs Arctic doesnt offer a comfortable spa. I beg to differ. Very comfortable, try the Summitt!!
One example would be the frontier Legend, take a look at the pizza shaped loungers with one foot jet, then the corner seats to the lower right pushes your lower lumbar out and I found the foot room for this seat to be inadequate, in my opinion the cool off seats are too narrow, this is just my opinion of the spa mold itself. The whole one foot jet thing is a joke that has been in the industry for years, if you have one foot jet in the foot area of a lounge it makes sense that the jet would be more affective if you only have one foot.
I am glad you love your spa and your two legs, The entire post was meant as a joke for others to enjoy it wasn't a personal attack. A very very wise man once told me that anything goes, as long as its funny. Trust me I have been the bad end of many many bad jokes on this forum. Right SpaTech?
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I am glad you love your spa and your two legs, The entire post was meant as a joke for others to enjoy it wasn't a personal attack. A very very wise man once told me that anything goes, as long as its funny. Trust me I have been the bad end of many many bad jokes on this forum. Right SpaTech?
Sure, make jokes about Arctic and then look to me to help bail you out. I took your post as a jestful hello though the one-legged part/pizza seat made no sense until seeing the model so please make sure your audience is up to speed next time you take the stage.
BTW, the reason we don't make fun of you AS MUCH is you stopped selling XXX spas. Of course at the time we were the crazy ones. After you move on you see the light but I never did get a PM saying "oh wise one, you were right all along".
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One example would be the frontier Legend, take a look at the pizza shaped loungers with one foot jet, then the corner seats to the lower right pushes your lower lumbar out and I found the foot room for this seat to be inadequate, in my opinion the cool off seats are too narrow, this is just my opinion of the spa mold itself. The whole one foot jet thing is a joke that has been in the industry for years, if you have one foot jet in the foot area of a lounge it makes sense that the jet would be more affective if you only have one foot.
I am glad you love your spa and your two legs, The entire post was meant as a joke for others to enjoy it wasn't a personal attack. A very very wise man once told me that anything goes, as long as its funny. Trust me I have been the bad end of many many bad jokes on this forum. Right SpaTech?
I can see your point Spaman to a certain extent, but the keywords in your reply are" in my opinion." I just sold a Frontier Ultra two weeks ago. It was to a family of a husband and wife, and 3 kids. They love their spa. They wanted a side by side lounger where their feet were by the other one's hands so they can rub each others feet while they are in the spa. Also have you ever sat in the Frontier with water?? It is quite comfortable to many, but not all spas fit every person of every size, but for many they do. Also, when just one person sits in the lounger without someone next too them, it gives you lots of extra space on the side to move around and put your feet near the jets on the other end as well. Lastly even though there is only one jet in the "pizza shaped" seats foot area, you can actually feel it quite well on both of your feet. I even remember a guy at last years home show that looked at every spa there that loved the Frontier because it had the deepest lounger there, and he was 6'6. So I guess what I was trying to say is that even though you may not like it, there are many that love it. We all have differnt tastes! ;)
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I wanted to start my first thread off by sharing a nice story a customer told me about their Arctic Spa. We just got through a bad ice storm a couple weeks back, and some of our customers were without electricity for ten days. We had several customers calling that had lost their power, and they were asking what to do with their spas, and that they were worried about them freezing over. We confidently told them to do nothing except to leave their cover on and that thrie spa would be fine.
Again just thought I would introduce my self and share a good story. I am looking forward to telling more in the future.
I guess theses arctic spas did not have the cover that would not sit flush on the shell.
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I guess theses arctic spas did not have the cover that would not sit flush on the shell.
Its amazing and hard to fathom but this arctic actually had a five inch thick cover. Seems as though all the other brands I looked at had a cheesy little 3" cover.
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I guess theses arctic spas did not have the cover that would not sit flush on the shell.
You are right 104 degrees those spas, as do all Arctic Spas, do not have the cover that would not sit flush on the shell. I know what you are referring to as I said I have visited the board for over a year before joining, and actually this is one of the reasons I decided too because of posters like you that take one thing like this and run with it like it was a problem across the board with all Arctic Spas. What you are referring to is one single claim for one spa owner of the thousands of spas that are made each year. Arctic became aware of the problem with the customer, and the problem was fixed. Arctic Spas are of the highest quality whether you believe that or not, but even quality products can have a few flaws from time to time.
I believe that the Honda Accord is the best car made today, but the one time a problem arises on one Honda Accord, so now is must be assumed that all accords have the same problem. No, that would be foolish. But, they still have a few with problems from time to time as do all spas as well.
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I wanted to first introduce myself. My name is Ed and I manage a store for an Arctic Spa dealer.
Hello, Ed, and welcome. Glad to have you aboard.
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Hello, Ed, and welcome. Glad to have you aboard.
Thanks Tom. See ya in Quebec!!
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Hello, Ed, and welcome. Glad to have you aboard.
That's what I was thinking. We really should keep this simple "greetings" thread on topic.
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Welcome, Water Boy.
Goarctic, you have a Summit? Me too. I love the molded seats, but can completely understand why others might not. I do wish I had a foot dome, though.
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re: I do wish I had a foot dome, though.
Anne you can borrow mine! ;)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/ItsZep/Hot%20Tub/powerDome.gif)
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Ooh, nice!
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One example would be the frontier Legend, take a look at the pizza shaped loungers with one foot jet....
The whole one foot jet thing is a joke that has been in the industry for years, if you have one foot jet in the foot area of a lounge it makes sense that the jet would be more affective if you only have one foot.
I'm not sure about this, Spaman. I've never had the opportunity to sit in an Arctic, but my HS Envoy has only one foot jet for the side therapy seat and I have no problem putting both feet in front of that jet. It knocks the heck out of my feet just fine.
IMO, the least satisfactory jets in my tub are the dual foot jets in the lounger. They never have had the "umph" I thought they should. (I think Gomboman has also mentioned this in the past)
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I'm not sure about this, Spaman. I've never had the opportunity to sit in an Arctic, but my HS Envoy has only one foot jet for the side therapy seat and I have no problem putting both feet in front of that jet. It knocks the heck out of my feet just fine.
IMO, the least satisfactory jets in my tub are the dual foot jets in the lounger. They never have had the "umph" I thought they should. (I think Gomboman has also mentioned this in the past)
Rich, the one jet in the foot of the arctic is the same performance as the two in the lounge. So take the dissatisfaction you have with the two and imagine only having one of those. The jet in front of the chair in the envoy moves at least 4 times as much water as the one in the lounge of the Arctic.
To each his own, I just personally believe that if Arctic had the most comfortable spa molds others would be following suit. I don't know of one spa manufacturer that splashes Arctic.
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Welcome Water Boy. ;)
I'm playing nice so far Tom! ;D
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Rich, the one jet in the foot of the arctic is the same performance as the two in the lounge. So take the dissatisfaction you have with the two and imagine only having one of those. The jet in front of the chair in the envoy moves at least 4 times as much water as the one in the lounge of the Arctic.
To each his own, I just personally believe that if Arctic had the most comfortable spa molds others would be following suit. I don't know of one spa manufacturer that splashes Arctic.
Four times as much water? That must be one heck of a jet plumbed in that spa. It probably peels off all that toenail polish huh!
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Rich, the one jet in the foot of the arctic is the same performance as the two in the lounge. So take the dissatisfaction you have with the two and imagine only having one of those. The jet in front of the chair in the envoy moves at least 4 times as much water as the one in the lounge of the Arctic.
To each his own, I just personally believe that if Arctic had the most comfortable spa molds others would be following suit. I don't know of one spa manufacturer that splashes Arctic.
Wow! Got a little venom towards Arctic Spas?? You must have lost a few deals to Arctic Spas lately to have that much venom. You are right, to each his own, that’s what I tried to tell you earlier. You also don't know that the envoy jet has 4 times as much power as the Arctic foot jet as you have never sat in an Arctic Spa. Also if you ever do go sit in a Arctic, be sure to try out the Orca jet near the footwell as it is one of the most powerful if not the most powerful foot jets in the industry. Plus I thought you didn't like the shape of the seats. Now it is the power of the jets that isn’t good enough for you. What’s next? Sounds like you are just trying to hit any angle that you can.
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Four times as much water? That must be one heck of a jet plumbed in that spa. It probably peels off all that toenail polish huh!
LOL its not pressure its volume.
And yes I have felt the foot jets in the lounge.
You must rest assured that I have no problems losing deals to Arctic.
As any competition I am certain they get their share.
My opinion really shouldn't matter to you. I just don't find this spa to be conventional.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/cristcabin/frontier_legend_se.jpg)
This is the way I visualize a dual lounge spa.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/cristcabin/Diplomat.jpg)
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I've got a story similiar to the first one...
In the winter of 2000, we had a rare prolonged freeze come through East Texas which was accompanied by a huge ice storm. Trees and power lines took a beating and the temperature stayed at or below freezing for almost a week.
One of my customers, Mr. York, told me that he lost power to his 110V HotSpring Sovereign on Sunday. By Thursday, power had still not been restored and they were tired of not having hot water for baths. He went out to his spa and checked the water with a thermometer. The temp had dropped from 102 down to only 94 degrees! They were absolutely thrilled to be able to thaw out in the spa.
A few days later, warmer weather returned as did the power. Being new to the spa industry at the time, I did not realize just how remarkable that spa performed. It's only been after reading so many horror stories on the internet over the years that I've come to appreciate the quality of products that Watkins makes.
Anyways, welcome to the forum! May your stay be fruitful and full of beans, as has been mine!
Terminator
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I agree with spaman......all spas should have decorative tile. It's a shame they don't nowadays. :'(
Terminator
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LOL its not pressure its volume.
And yes I have felt the foot jets in the lounge.
You must rest assured that I have no problems losing deals to Arctic.
As any competition I am certain they get their share.
My opinion really shouldn't matter to you. I just don't find this spa to be conventional.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/cristcabin/frontier_legend_se.jpg)
This is the way I visualize a dual lounge spa.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/cristcabin/Diplomat.jpg)
Exactly that isnt our dual lounge spa. The Frontier is a side by side or a front to front lounge spa. Here is a picture of the Arctic dual lounge spa called the Klondiker. It looks similiar to the one you attached, but with only more jets. ;)
(http://www.wisdom.ru/spa/arcticspa/klondiker-legend-extreme-b.jpg)
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LOL its not pressure its volume.
And yes I have felt the foot jets in the lounge.
You must rest assured that I have no problems losing deals to Arctic.
As any competition I am certain they get their share.
My opinion really shouldn't matter to you. I just don't find this spa to be conventional.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/cristcabin/frontier_legend_se.jpg)
This is the way I visualize a dual lounge spa.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/cristcabin/Diplomat.jpg)
I would love that one lounger since Im 4 foot 5.
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Dimentian one spas is at the forfront in adressing the needs of little people and I applaud there effort. They should donate a hottub to the Little people, Big World show on tv and be a sponsor and corner the market with there little lounges. Our mma fighters would all by one.
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Exactly that isnt our dual lounge spa. The Frontier is a side by side or a front to front lounge spa. Here is a picture of the Arctic dual lounge spa called the Klondiker. It looks similiar to the one you attached, but with only more jets. ;)
(http://www.wisdom.ru/spa/arcticspa/klondiker-legend-extreme-b.jpg)
I am wondering if you are able to order that without so many leg jets and maybe insert some wrist jets. Every spa I have sat in with so many leg jets, it tends to blow me out of the lounge.
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I am wondering if you are able to order that without so many leg jets and maybe insert some wrist jets. Every spa I have sat in with so many leg jets, it tends to blow me out of the lounge.
Yeah you can. That is the Legend Extreme with all the jets in it. You can order it with much less jets in it if you want to, and the newer models have wrist jets in it.
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Yeah you can. That is the Legend Extreme with all the jets in it. You can order it with much less jets in it if you want to, and the newer models have wrist jets in it.
SWEEEEEEET!
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Do you have pics of these wrist jets and how they go onto the arm rests?
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No I dont have pics of that, and the wrist jets are in the captains chair not on the lounger. Most people prefer that seat over the loungers anyways as it is VERY comfortable.
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I am wondering if you are able to order that without so many leg jets and maybe insert some wrist jets. Every spa I have sat in with so many leg jets, it tends to blow me out of the lounge.
Ahha! But you have NEVER sat in a Klondiker have you spa man! ;)
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Ahha! But you have NEVER sat in a Klondiker have you spa man! ;)
No I haven't, however it doesn't take sitting in it to know that filter housing is in my way.
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What are you all doing???????????????
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What are you all doing???????????????
Wouldn’t we all like to know? But like Spaman told me to do on Page 1, I am representing my product with pride. For some reason, like a few others on this board, he really likes to Bash Arctic Spas and their products. What is quite funny though is that you don't see the Arctic guys on here bashing premium brands spas and products the way they do Arctic. Wonder why that is???
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No I haven't, however it doesn't take sitting in it to know that filter housing is in my way.
No it isnt, but it has also been moved on the new models as well. But that lounger is intended for shorter people anyways, so it isnt in the way, and if it was, that is what the longer lounger is for. Different people, different sizes, different likes. Besides, you have never sat in a Klondiker so how would you know how it feels. It's a quite comfortable spa.
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No it isnt, but it has also been moved on the new models as well. But that lounger is intended for shorter people anyways, so it isnt in the way, and if it was, that is what the longer lounger is for. Different people, different sizes, different likes. Besides, you have never sat in a Klondiker so how would you know how it feels. It's a quite comfortable spa.
Welcome to the forum, its a beautiful spa!
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Welcome to the forum, its a beautiful spa!
Thanks. It is a beautiful spa!
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Just a heads up water boy...
There's wonderful stories for every manufacturer and each has very satisfied customers. It's great you represent your brand with pride (as you should) but it's no different for anyone else whether a salesperson or spa owner here.
Comfort is personal preference and for me personally, I have never found Arctic to be among the top 5 in this area.
Here's my opinion and you can give me yours; The seats are too defined and offer little ability to move around the spa comfortably. There's almost no contouring and they are very angular and rigid in their positioning. Many molds are dated, footwells small and the black jets gotta go! :P I just don't feel they have progressed in their spas in the past 5 years or attempted to update them in any way. I could be wrong as I've been out of the spa biz for a couple years... :-X
Lastly, what % of your presentation is based on the thermal lock concept?
\FYI, I sold Beachcomber for many years here in Edmonton (near the factory) and our biggest competition was Arctic. I do respect the brand, the people (even Tom! ;D , who still owes me dinner I think) and their amazing marketing team to grow as fast as they have so these comments don't come from bitterness or lost revenue. ;)
Steve
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Welcome Water Boy!
I sell Coleman and Jacuzzi spas in Western North Dakota. I too have many stories of how well TP spas have performed in sub zero temps and power outages. In fact we were -16 Sunday night, but it's warming up, we're already at 11 above today 8-). I guess this cold snap has more than Green Bay in it's grasp :'(.
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Just a heads up water boy...
There's wonderful stories for every manufacturer and each has very satisfied customers. It's great you represent your brand with pride (as you should) but it's no different for anyone else whether a salesperson or spa owner here.
Comfort is personal preference and for me personally, I have never found Arctic to be among the top 5 in this area.
Here's my opinion and you can give me yours; The seats are too defined and offer little ability to move around the spa comfortably. There's almost no contouring and they are very angular and rigid in their positioning. Many molds are dated, footwells small and the black jets gotta go! :P I just don't feel they have progressed in their spas in the past 5 years or attempted to update them in any way. I could be wrong as I've been out of the spa biz for a couple years... :-X
Lastly, what % of your presentation is based on the thermal lock concept?
\FYI, I sold Beachcomber for many years here in Edmonton (near the factory) and our biggest competition was Arctic. I do respect the brand, the people (even Tom! ;D , who still owes me dinner I think) and their amazing marketing team to grow as fast as they have so these comments don't come from bitterness or lost revenue. ;)
Steve
Well thanks for the "heads up" Steve, but I've got news for ya. I know I may have just started to post on here, but I am not new to the biz nor to this board. There are wonderful stories for every manufacturer, and we love to hear them. My point was that I told a good story, and people started to bash and dissect Arctic Spas for no reason other than to just take jabs at Arctic Spas, which isn't right. When other brands stories come up, we don't dissect the spas, and find there faults. I could take any brand of spa, and any model of that brand of spa, and find faults with it, but I don't do that, and I am not for sure why others do. Makes no sense to me. You and Spa man are two people in this whole universe that may not like a few features, but that is your opinion. I have thousands of customers that love their Arctic Spa for its comfort. Arctic Spas are defiently a top of the line spa.
Now, onto the rest of your post. You have been out of the biz for a while. I remember when you posted you were changing careers. Arctic Spas have changed some in the last couple of years, but we haven’t changed too much because why change a good thing. If it ain't broke don't fix it right!! The jets have changed from black to a two-tone black and gray, or a black and stainless. They also added waterfalls to the spas. You said the footwells were too small, but many of the Arctic spas have huge footwells. The Tundra, Yukon, and Kodiak and Sumitt all have huge footwells, and the Tundra and Yukon leave one plenty of room to move around in the spa. I'm not for sure where you come about saying there isn’t any contouring of seats. There is plenty of that in many of the loungers and seats in just about any of the spas. Did you ever sit in a hot and running Arctic spa when you worked for Beachcomber? Also some people like there own seats to themselves in a conformed seat for comfort and privacy. We just delivered a Summit yesterday and the couple bought that spa for that exact reason. When they have another couple over, they want each person to be able to have there own seat with lots of room for their feet. These people bought a Arctic Spa for a second time they because they loved their first one so much. They left the old one at there house they sold because the new owners wanted the spa so bad.
Lastly, I don't give out my sales secrets!!! ;)
Here are some pics of the spas that have huge footwells and plenty of room to move around in.
Here is the Tundra:
(http://www.aquahealth.be/massagebaden/images/tundra_legendSE.jpg)
Here is the Yukon:
(http://www.arcticspas-kent.co.uk/goarctic/yukon_ultra.jpg)
Here is the Sumitt.
(http://www.aquahealth.be/massagebaden/images/summit_legendSE.jpg)
I will try to get some pictures of the new jets sometime in the near future.
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Here's another great story told by the customer himself (just click on his nose to play):
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/th_TimPriceJetsetter.jpg) (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/EastTexasSpa/?action=view¤t=TimPriceJetsetter.flv)
Terminator
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Here is a picture that shows the two-tone jets. They also changed the head pillows when they changed the jets.
(http://www.arctic-hottubs.co.uk/foxth.jpg)
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I've got a story similiar to the first one...
Terminator
Me too.
Actually, being in Montana (and servicing rural Montana - as is most of it), I've seen this kind of happening (0F or lower, 3-6 day power outage, spa water still steamy and hot at end) with both Bullfrog and Sundance spas.
Repeatedly.
I actually always assumed (and tell my customers) that with any high-end spa this shouldn't be a worry.
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Here is a picture that shows the two-tone jets. They also changed the head pillows when they changed the jets.
(http://www.arctic-hottubs.co.uk/foxth.jpg)
I gotta say -- that is a pretty cabinet! I don't feel like dealing with maintenance, though.
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I gotta say -- that is a pretty cabinet! I don't feel like dealing with maintenance, though.
Its a very nice cabinet and as a Arctic Dealer I actually give the Arctic customer free stain and seals yearly as long as they call to schedule. I want those cabinets looking good for all those people that come and visit! One coat of stain and seal not even every year keeps em fresh. I actually just got a used Arctic in the other day that I took on trade in four years old and looks like it left the showroom a few months ago.
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Well I certainly didn't mean to upset you nor get you all defensive like that. Again, I did type that it was personal opinion which validates what I wrote and not a broad slam.
Oh...and lastly...I wasn't looking for any insightful sales strategies to expand my horizons with... it was just a simple question... ::) Oy Vay.... :P
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Well I certainly didn't mean to upset you nor get you all defensive like that. Again, I did type that it was personal opinion which validates what I wrote and not a broad slam.
Oh...and lastly...I wasn't looking for any insightful sales strategies to expand my horizons with... it was just a simple question... ::) Oy Vay.... :P
I'm not upset nor was I getting defensive. I was just defending my product with pride like you and Spaman told me to do, thats all! 8-)
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Well, ada boy then!! ;)
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C'mon Waterboy let us all in on the 3 new models Arctic has for 08 and how Arctic has decided to create and use their own spa packs & will no longer use Gecko
Welcome to the board
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C'mon Waterboy let us all in on the 3 new models Arctic has for 08 and how Arctic has decided to create and use their own spa packs & will no longer use Gecko
Welcome to the board
Arctic hasnt introduced the 3 new models yet, dealer seminar is the first week of february. Arctic has been creating their own packs for a few years now with great success. It would surprise me that Arctic is discontinuing the availability of the Gecko packs since we are touring the Gecko plant in Quebec during seminar. I will also add that the spas that we have put the Arctic Global Packs on, we have had nothing short of amazing results.
Sincerely,
One heckuva proud arctic spa dealer
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I will also add that it isnt gaurenteed that 3 new models will be introduced. We will find out soon enough.
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C'mon Waterboy let us all in on the 3 new models Arctic has for 08 and how Arctic has decided to create and use their own spa packs & will no longer use Gecko
Welcome to the board
Do you know something that I dont know Pathfinder??? We will keep you posted of any changes for 2008. I know for sure that we are getting some new colors, but that is it for now.
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Ahha! But you have NEVER sat in a Klondiker have you spa man! ;)
I've never sat in a Klondiker either. I'm sure it's a good tub.
I did accidentally sit on a Klondiker once. "Get offa me, you claim-jumpin' Yankee knob!" he yelled. "I'm tryin' to pan for gold over here!"
"Oh, excuse me, I was just looking for a popular variation on the game of Solitaire" I replied, and scurried off.
It was a painful experience, but not nearly as painful as that time I almost sat on a Kodiak...
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Its a very nice cabinet and as a Arctic Dealer I actually give the Arctic customer free stain and seals yearly as long as they call to schedule. I want those cabinets looking good for all those people that come and visit! One coat of stain and seal not even every year keeps em fresh. I actually just got a used Arctic in the other day that I took on trade in four years old and looks like it left the showroom a few months ago.
Goarctic, what product do you use? I have applied the Olympic stuff that the manual recommended, and I'm not crazy about it. The shell itself stays in great shape, but the steps, with repeated puddles, and us stepping on them, and I guess more exposure to wind/rain/sun than the shell, really only stay protected for about 6 months, and then look very worn for about 6 months till I redo it again.
As to the volcano jet, I do love it for my feet, and sometimes lower back, but I wish that it were positioned differently.
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Goarctic, what product do you use? I have applied the Olympic stuff that the manual recommended, and I'm not crazy about it. The shell itself stays in great shape, but the steps, with repeated puddles, and us stepping on them, and I guess more exposure to wind/rain/sun than the shell, really only stay protected for about 6 months, and then look very worn for about 6 months till I redo it again.
As to the volcano jet, I do love it for my feet, and sometimes lower back, but I wish that it were positioned differently.
Anne, yes it is typical for the steps to wear out quicker. Like you said more exposure and mainly because moisture sits there until it dries out. It takes more frequent staining and sealing. We use the Olympic Maximum 57503. I have found that it prevents the moisture much better than stuff that we have used in the past.
Happy tubbing!
:)
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Arctic hasnt introduced the 3 new models yet, dealer seminar is the first week of february. Arctic has been creating their own packs for a few years now with great success. It would surprise me that Arctic is discontinuing the availability of the Gecko packs since we are touring the Gecko plant in Quebec during seminar. I will also add that the spas that we have put the Arctic Global Packs on, we have had nothing short of amazing results.
Sincerely,
One heckuva proud arctic spa dealer
My info came from a dealer friend out west during a convo of how things were going. They said more than likely 3 new molds is what they heard and moving more away from the gecko packs. I find it kind of interesting that some tubs would come with global and some with gecko. Is that correct??
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As a Arctic Dealer you have the choice to pick a Gecko or Global pack when the spa is built. No big deal, both are good packs. Arctic is very innovative in developing their own products. It allows them to have control over improvements with spas themselves. Instead of relying on the big heads at corporations that make spa components Arctic can research on their own and find new ways to make spas in general better. One thing I like about Arctics pack is it has removable relays on the board. It also has some X10 capabilities that the Gecko doesnt.
As far as the new moulds go, I hope they do introduce a few new ones, cause if they are as good as the Glacier model that was introduced last season they will be great sellers!
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Thanks Tom. See ya in Quebec!!
Nope, I'm not invited. So you'll have to have twice as good a time to make up for my absence. :D
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Many molds are dated
Yes, but then so is a 1964 Bollinger. 8-) The molds were revised in 2007 and again in 2008, but the changes have been fairly subtle for the most part. Raised the lip 3" to provide better wind protection. Moved part of a seat out 2" to make it roomier. Moved a wall in 0.75" to allow more room for plumbing. Not things you'd necessarily notice, but all small improvements.
Since you're razzing us about molds, is this the place to mention our two Autodesk Design Awards and our International Business Award for Best Product Designer in 2005?
Lastly, what [about] the thermal lock concept?
Well, I think it's intelligent, well thought out, an excellent application of thermodynamic principles, and it just makes good sense. But then, I may be a little biased.... ::)
I do respect the brand, the people (even Tom! ;D , who still owes me dinner I think) and their amazing marketing team to grow as fast as they have...
Yes, yes, and a drink or two besides. Call me.
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Hey Go, whats X10? or are you referring to X10 programming language that runs on a java platform.
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Hey Go, whats X10? or are you referring to X10 programming language that runs on a java platform.
I was wrong it has xm capabilities, had it labeled wrong! If you dont know it gives the possiblity of controlling the spa from another location such as inside the house. Again not a big deal, but it opens up more possibities.
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Gecko Alliance I beleive created the Xm technology such as the xm3 pack and the xm ink600 control pad Pacific is on its 3rd yr Coast is on its second & Artesian is on its fourth yr I think. I realize you want to represent you brand with vigor but make sure you cover your bases when making claims like an earlier post about Arctic being the only brand with a 5'3 cover which isnt true at all.
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Gecko Alliance I beleive created the Xm technology such as the xm3 pack and the xm ink600 control pad Pacific is on its 3rd yr Coast is on its second & Artesian is on its fourth yr I think. I realize you want to represent you brand with vigor but make sure you cover your bases when making claims like an earlier post about Arctic being the only brand with a 5'3 cover which isnt true at all.
Your right Arctic isnt the only manufacturer that has a thicker cover but we are one of a few that do. The gentlemen that was ragging on Arctic represented one of the many that have paper thin covers. Also you MIGHT want to cover your bases when you say for a fact that Arctic is completely switching over to their own packs and coming out with three new molds. THESE ARENT FACTS AT ALL.
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waterboy, welcome to the forum. I am an arctic owner. It is great that you work for arctic and you will be a great resource for others.
NOW!!!!
If you have been viewing here for over a year, trutfully, you should know better than this. Your post was a welcome with a twist. It is of my opinion that you were giving a plug for arctic.
Myself and Anne are two of the oldest arctic members here and we worked very hard to stop the arctic slamming that has gone on in the past. Tom, has been a great resource and I feel that he has earned alot of respect for the company due to his professionalism.
Please do not lose sight of the fact that this is a forum where we all share opinions. For the most part we are consumers, not dealers so we dont care about sales and who is competition. What we care about is warm water, quality product, comfort, and whatever tub we purchased is the tub that we support.
I have really noticed a stop or a decline of the arctic slams and the annoying FF vs. TP debates with arctic etc. That is because the owners and reps of arctic here have changed thier approach. Arctic is a quality product and I dont think anyone here can argue this. I do believe that we can reserve opinion whether we would buy one or not though.
So what I am getting at is, please dont be one of these guys that comes here and starts this us against them debate all over again. Have fun, provide info when applicable and dont piss off people and start these stupid debates.
With all that said, I love the name and avatar. You will love posting and I look forward to seeing you contribute here.
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waterboy, welcome to the forum. I am an arctic owner. It is great that you work for arctic and you will be a great resource for others.
NOW!!!!
If you have been viewing here for over a year, trutfully, you should know better than this. Your post was a welcome with a twist. It is of my opinion that you were giving a plug for arctic.
Myself and Anne are two of the oldest arctic members here and we worked very hard to stop the arctic slamming that has gone on in the past. Tom, has been a great resource and I feel that he has earned alot of respect for the company due to his professionalism.
Please do not lose sight of the fact that this is a forum where we all share opinions. For the most part we are consumers, not dealers so we dont care about sales and who is competition. What we care about is warm water, quality product, comfort, and whatever tub we purchased is the tub that we support.
I have really noticed a stop or a decline of the arctic slams and the annoying FF vs. TP debates with arctic etc. That is because the owners and reps of arctic here have changed thier approach. Arctic is a quality product and I dont think anyone here can argue this. I do believe that we can reserve opinion whether we would buy one or not though.
So what I am getting at is, please dont be one of these guys that comes here and starts this us against them debate all over again. Have fun, provide info when applicable and dont piss off people and start these stupid debates.
With all that said, I love the name and avatar. You will love posting and I look forward to seeing you contribute here.
Thanks for the kind words Boscoe. I am glad that you are happy with your Arctic Spa. I didn't mean to offend you in any way. I feel that I am representing Arctic Spas in the best way that I can. I live eat and sleep Arctic Spas, so it is hard not to do that. All I wanted to do was come on here, introduce myself, and share with everyone in what I thought was a great story told to me by a person like you, an Arctic Spa customer. It wasn’t a plug, more of an ice breaker. The problem for some is that I brought up the word Arctic, and it had been quiet on here for a while with that, so some people decided that they needed to start to bash Arctic again. Here's the thing though. I will always defend and stand behind the product that I sell. I know that some of my customers use this board as a reference to get advice, and I work too hard to let them get skewed by people not telling the truth and bashing Arctic Spas. It was the other half dozen or so people that responded that started the bashing and the debate. I am just voicing my opinion, and defending what I sell.
Again sorry if I came off strong and if you thought I was trying to start a debate. Again just wanted to introduce myself to everyone. Maybe we should do this again:
Hi my name is Ed, and I am a sales manager of an Arctic Spas store in Kansas.................
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I think it should go....."Hi my Name is Ed & I'm an Arcticholic" ;)
HI ED!!!!
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Gecko Alliance I beleive created the Xm technology such as the xm3 pack and the xm ink600 control pad Pacific is on its 3rd yr Coast is on its second & Artesian is on its fourth yr I think. I realize you want to represent you brand with vigor but make sure you cover your bases when making claims like an earlier post about Arctic being the only brand with a 5'3 cover which isnt true at all.
As I stated earlier Im not real up to date on all the technacalities of xm (obviously I called it x10! :)). Thanks for correcting me, but it doesnt take away from the fact that Arctic packs that they have been releasing for over two years have had amazing results.
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Ed truth be told, I do believe that arctic has become a top quality brand. Over the past year I do believe that the slamming has stopped and when people ask about top brands, arctic always makes the list.
The problems I see are as follows:
Arctic is a decade old and has been the new kid on the block for many against bigger more established names.
Arctic uses an unconventional insulating system which is different from big brands. This causes many debates
Arctic DID HAVE a terrible sales pitch years back. They truely became masters of thier own demise so to speak. They were known for high pressure sales tactics, and honestly they did advertise a superiority style. Who gives a shat if 10 people could stand on the tub really.
Last, this website consits of buyers and sellers. Everyone has an opinion, however, sometimes opinions and product support get skewed here buy dealers and purchasers that one to let everyone know that they bought a supperior product.
In the past, a new arctic person would joing the board slam the other brands, claim arctic was superior and then dissapear. The last company that did this was LOONEY spas if you know what im saying. I think many felt that arcitc was the next purple coolaid story.
So now, I truely feel that we as in arctic owners and dealers, do not really need to justify our product anymore. I believe that we can add clarity as we go, because I too agree that there are people on this forum still that like to poke arctic with misled information. In case point, this thread. I belive that personal opinions were tried as fact, and I believe that he was infact called on it. Which is good!
It is a classic case of bullying. Arctic is a great product, the more we defend the more it goes on. I do belive honestly though that arctic is a top brand out there, and I believe that nobody on this board can honestly disagree with this.
My 2cents. Iwasnt coming down on you just updating you about the shat storms that our product creates.
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Boscoe,
I know you where talking directly to waterboy, but I would like to add that I am just here to give a balanced opinion on Arctic. I feel with my fifteen years of experience in this industry I can give buyers or people who have a spa advice on spas. I look forward to a long relationship to this board!
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Thanks Boscoe. Don't worry I will not be one of those guys. I joined the forum for a reason. As I said in the beginning I am here to help in any way that I can and to help with Arctic Spas. Look forward to many more conversations with you in the years to come! :)
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Four times as much water? That must be one heck of a jet plumbed in that spa.
'Zactly.
8-)
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Your right Arctic isnt the only manufacturer that has a thicker cover but we are one of a few that do. The gentlemen that was ragging on Arctic represented one of the many that have paper thin covers. Also you MIGHT want to cover your bases when you say for a fact that Arctic is completely switching over to their own packs and coming out with three new molds. THESE ARENT FACTS AT ALL.
Just from a friendly debate standpoint (and nothing more), is a thicker cover always a better cover? If so, why?
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Just from a friendly debate standpoint (and nothing more), is a thicker cover always a better cover? If so, why?
Your probably right thicker isnt always better, its more about whats inside the coverskin. Our cover for instance is 5" thick in the middle and tapers down to 3". Inside the cover skin our foam is number one closed cell foam, no cuts to get it to size. Number two all the foam is then wrapped in what they call Mylovac, a type of barrier that prevents water from absorbing into the foam as quickly. A dry cover insulates much better. Plus on the particular cover we carry, we install a foam strip down the middle portion of the cover where the two insert join together so when the cover lays flat on the spa their isnt a one inch gap to allow energy to escape.
So in regards to your question thicker isnt always better, it is just one way to make a cover better.
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'Zactly.
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I would like to see the formula or science that proves the jet has four times as much water flowing thru. Plus four times as much water doesnt mean the jet is more powerful. Its more about velocity. Just want us to keep facts straight if we are going to come out and say a spa has four times as much water flowing through jets as compared to Arctics.
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Inside the cover skin our foam is number one closed cell foam, no cuts to get it to size.
It does sound like a nice cover but this is the part I've never understand. Why is molding foam to the end use size any better for the quality of the cover than hot wire cutting it to that same size. It may make more sense from a manufacturabilty standpoint (fewer steps) but I don't see how its more beneficial to the end user.
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It does sound like a nice cover but this is the part I've never understand. Why is molding foam to the end use size any better for the quality of the cover than hot wire cutting it to that same size. It may make more sense from a manufacturabilty standpoint (fewer steps) but I don't see how its more beneficial to the end user.
When you cut foam like that it opens up cells in the foam allowing quicker absorption of water. Ever walk outside in the cold with wet clothes on? Do you stay warm?
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When you cut foam like that it opens up cells in the foam allowing quicker absorption of water. Ever walk outside in the cold with wet clothes on? Do you stay warm?
But the core is just a whole bunch of beads pressed together so by cutting them with a hot wire at worse mean the outside beads would be open, is that about 1/1000 of the beads?
I really don't think there is a difference except it sounds easier from a manufacturing standpoint of not having to cut them though you have to form one at a time rather than form a huge block and cut to size... Seems like 6 of one, half dozen of another to me.
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But the core is just a whole bunch of beads pressed together so by cutting them with a hot wire at worse mean the outside beads would be open, is that about 1/1000 of the beads?
I really don't think there is a difference except it sounds easier from a manufacturing standpoint of not having to cut them though you have to form one at a time rather than form a huge block and cut to size... Seems like 6 of one, half dozen of another to me.
Believe what you want but the spa covers that we have been putting out since they introduced this method have been staying much drier than previous cut covers that have been installed. The customer will have less replacements in the long run by using this method. Big savings when you consider a cover sells for as much as they do.
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Doc has mentioned that most foams will absorb at about the same rate - it seems that IIRC he stresses that the vapor barrier around the foam is far more important that the foam itself. Keep the water vapor off the foam, and it doesn't have a chance of absorbing it.
BTW - most foam will not absorb water directly - for example my late Uncle owned a waterski resort and had dozens and dozens of floating docks. They were floated by huge blocks of foam - and they lasted ten years or more sitting directly in water. Those same blocks, if exposed to water vapor would most likely get heavy fast.
Let me know if I am wrong on this - it is what I recall reading here and other places.
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I would like to see the formula or science that proves the jet has four times as much water flowing thru. Plus four times as much water doesnt mean the jet is more powerful. Its more about velocity. Just want us to keep facts straight if we are going to come out and say a spa has four times as much water flowing through jets as compared to Arctics.
OK - here is the math - 20GPM x 4 = 80GPM. I don't know what the pressure PSI is, but it stays about the same. The volume is what this jet is all about, and tons of tub makers put larger jets in similar to this.
But I think you may have missed one detail - the consumer who was telling about how much they love their big jet was talking about ONE large jet. It is on one side of a Diverter Valve and it does, in fact, cut out more than four jets when it is on in order to become practically a fire hose underwater.
Also, it is plumbed with larger tubing, schedule 40spa flex to be exact, and that eliminates any 90 degree fittings and allows for better -and quieter- water flow.
And I sure don't see anyone saying anything to compare this to an Arctic.
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I know this may have been covered already , but I am looking at the Arctic website and in the study they did at Loveland Colorado, in that study it states they based the study on 4.5 hrs of operation the ff spa was in "economy mode" and the Arctic was in "standard" mode. Explain this to me. Maybe I am not as smart as I thought I was but, this would make any comparison unequal.
As far as the amount of water moved thru the foot jet in the Envy vs that in the foot jet of the "pizza" lounge I say visit your local Hotspring dealer. It is really quite simple once you have seen the two operate. All I can say is prove it to yourself. The difference isn't in "velocity" vs "pressure"as the two are the same, it is in water volume. A high pressure jet or "velocity"jet is not therapy but a high volume jet is incredible therapy. This is why whirl pool jets were sooo popular in the spa industry. This volume is one of the single features that has allowed companies such as Marquis to stay in business. With its Patented ak 40 jets. It is all about water volume, as the larger the volume the larger the coverage area of the jet. the higher the pressure or "velocity" the more irritating the jet, this is pressure that causes first itchy irritation then numbing of the area further causing more damage than good. In other words which feels better a poke with a stick or the kneading action of a massage therapist? Further noone ever "bashed" it was criticism based on an opinion of a fairly long term forum member. Sheesh you can always recognize the youngins' ;)
And Spatech? not a word about the me not being as smart as I thought! ;D
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OK - here is the math - 20GPM x 4 = 80GPM. I don't know what the pressure PSI is, but it stays about the same. The volume is what this jet is all about, and tons of tub makers put larger jets in similar to this.
But I think you may have missed one detail - the consumer who was telling about how much they love their big jet was talking about ONE large jet. It is on one side of a Diverter Valve and it does, in fact, cut out more than four jets when it is on in order to become practically a fire hose underwater.
Also, it is plumbed with larger tubing, schedule 40spa flex to be exact, and that eliminates any 90 degree fittings and allows for better -and quieter- water flow.
And I sure don't see anyone saying anything to compare this to an Arctic.
I guess I dont know what you mean, Arctics dont use 90 degree fittings we use a type of flex pipe as well. Actually a upgraded form of flex hose called Reflex Torsion Hose.
Spaman you refer to me as a youngin, if you mean 30 years old then yes Im a youngin, but keep in mind I have been in the business for over 15 years now and have owned my own retail and service center for three years now. I dont know if the foot jet in the Envoy is four times as powerful as the foot jet in the Arctic Frontier, and quite frankly I doubt it is. But, Im not on here claiming that it is four times as powerful. So prove it to me and the rest of the board before making that claim. Like everyone has said a million times here this is a site for consumers to make reasonable judgements on spas and when people spew out incorrect information it gives out misconceptions.
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I guess I dont know what you mean, Arctics dont use 90 degree fittings we use a type of flex pipe as well. Actually a upgraded form of flex hose called Reflex Torsion Hose.
Spaman you refer to me as a youngin, if you mean 30 years old then yes Im a youngin, but keep in mind I have been in the business for over 15 years now and have owned my own retail and service center for three years now. I dont know if the foot jet in the Envoy is four times as powerful as the foot jet in the Arctic Frontier, and quite frankly I doubt it is. But, Im not on here claiming that it is four times as powerful. So prove it to me and the rest of the board before making that claim. Like everyone has said a million times here this is a site for consumers to make reasonable judgements on spas and when people spew out incorrect information it gives out misconceptions.
Wasn't referring to you but yea 30 is young, being in the industry as long as you have, you know exactly which jet Arctic uses in that lounge and you also know which foot jet Hotspring uses in they Envy, if you don't I think you owe it to yourself as a veteran to find out what the industry is doing.
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In other words which feels better a poke with a stick or the kneading action of a massage therapist? Further noone ever "bashed" it was criticism based on an opinion of a fairly long term forum member
Which is exactly why if you actually took the time to wet test one of our spas before becoming a expert of the Arctic Spa you would realize that all of our jets spin and rotate as water flows thru to simulate the "kneading action of massage therapist"
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In other words which feels better a poke with a stick or the kneading action of a massage therapist? Further noone ever "bashed" it was criticism based on an opinion of a fairly long term forum member
Which is exactly why if you actually took the time to wet test one of our spas before becoming a expert of the Arctic Spa you would realize that all of our jets spin and rotate as water flows thru to simulate the "kneading action of massage therapist"
Oh my! ::)
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;D
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In other words which feels better a poke with a stick or the kneading action of a massage therapist? Further noone ever "bashed" it was criticism based on an opinion of a fairly long term forum member
Which is exactly why if you actually took the time to wet test one of our spas before becoming a expert of the Arctic Spa you would realize that all of our jets spin and rotate as water flows thru to simulate the "kneading action of massage therapist"
You know what they say, "you can lead a horse to water but.........
You gotta kick him in the rump to get him to drink!" ;)
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You know what they say, "you can lead a horse to water but.........
You gotta kick him in the rump to get him to drink!" ;)
You arent here in my store when I have customer after customer wettest our spas and comment constantly at how relaxing our jets our and how much they love the action that they provide. Maybe they cant hold up to the holy grail in your mind but here in my city Arctic does just fine against'em!
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Cat got your tongue???
O.k go measure the opening of your jet and go measure the opening of that and you will find your answer, that is your assignment, and until you have done that I don't want to see your argument as I already have done the comparison. I don't even sell Hotspring but I certainly know the difference between the two jets. The "oh my" was because rather than research you would argue. Let me know when you have researched this I will be waiting for your report on my desk by Monday morning. Not too early I sleep in on Mondays.
This whole thing is really quite simple though. ;)
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Opening of the jet means nothing, a bigger opening actually can creat less pressure. Ever hold your thumb over a garden hose opening? Creates more pressure doesnt it. No imagine that pressure spinning smoothly on your back, now you have a clue of what a Arctic jet feels like. Again, have you wet tested a Arctic???
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I guess I dont know what you mean, Arctics dont use 90 degree fittings we use a type of flex pipe as well. Actually a upgraded form of flex hose called Reflex Torsion Hose.
Spaman you refer to me as a youngin, if you mean 30 years old then yes Im a youngin, but keep in mind I have been in the business for over 15 years now and have owned my own retail and service center for three years now. I dont know if the foot jet in the Envoy is four times as powerful as the foot jet in the Arctic Frontier, and quite frankly I doubt it is. But, Im not on here claiming that it is four times as powerful. So prove it to me and the rest of the board before making that claim. Like everyone has said a million times here this is a site for consumers to make reasonable judgements on spas and when people spew out incorrect information it gives out misconceptions.
If you say Arctic doesnt use 90's I will refer you to your own website http://www.arcticspas.com/index.php/en/show_content/2/43/ looks like 90'S and there is nothing more advanced about relflex torsion hose, it a great name
Im 30 as well but I make it my business to know what everyone else in the industry is doing so I can post with knowledge and if I have no idea I dont post , as many of us will be quick to correct. Like I said in the PM its great you love your brand but dont pick fights you cant win & you can learn a lot from the senior members
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Opening of the jet means nothing, a bigger opening actually can creat less pressure. Ever hold your thumb over a garden hose opening? Creates more pressure doesnt it. No imagine that pressure spinning smoothly on your back, now you have a clue of what a Arctic jet feels like. Again, have you wet tested a Arctic???
ARRRRRGH!!!!!!!
Learn this PRESSURE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! ITS VOLUME THAT YOU WANT!!!!!!!
The larger the opening the more VOLUME that can flow through the jet.
I small jet with high pressure and swirl action cannot compare with the high flow of the foot jet in the Envoy. In other words just because you move your stick in a circular motion doesn't make it anymore therapeutic it only means your going to irritate a larger area.
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If you say Arctic doesnt use 90's I will refer you to your own website http://www.arcticspas.com/index.php/en/show_content/2/43/ looks like 90'S and there is nothing more advanced about relflex torsion hose, it a great name
Im 30 as well but I make it my business to know what everyone else in the industry is doing so I can post with knowledge and if I have no idea I dont post , as many of us will be quick to correct. Like I said in the PM its great you love your brand but dont pick fights you cant win & you can learn a lot from the senior members
Point taken on the 90's, I know that they have to tried to eliminate them with the flex hosing. There is a difference between regular schedule 40 hosing and Reflex torsion hose. The Torsion hose is oversized to give a bigger glue joint, and also the colored rings are a system that helps clamp down onto fittings tighter.
I am well aware that I dont know everything about everything, I said before I spoke about the xm technology that I knew little to nothing about it. You should also take that advice when you come out and say that Arctic is discontinuing their relationship with Gecko Electronics.
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ARRRRRGH!!!!!!!
Learn this PRESSURE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! ITS VOLUME THAT YOU WANT!!!!!!!
The larger the opening the more VOLUME that can flow through the jet.
I small jet with high pressure and swirl action cannot compare with the high flow of the foot jet in the Envoy. In other words just because you move your stick in a circular motion doesn't make it anymore therapeutic it only means your going to irritate a larger area.
you didnt answer my question, have you ever wet tested an Arctic Spa?
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I know this may have been covered already , but I am looking at the Arctic website and in the study they did at Loveland Colorado, in that study it states they based the study on 4.5 hrs of operation the ff spa was in "economy mode" and the Arctic was in "standard" mode. Explain this to me. Maybe I am not as smart as I thought I was but, this would make any comparison unequal.
As far as the amount of water moved thru the foot jet in the Envy vs that in the foot jet of the "pizza" lounge I say visit your local Hotspring dealer. It is really quite simple once you have seen the two operate. All I can say is prove it to yourself. The difference isn't in "velocity" vs "pressure"as the two are the same, it is in water volume. A high pressure jet or "velocity"jet is not therapy but a high volume jet is incredible therapy. This is why whirl pool jets were sooo popular in the spa industry. This volume is one of the single features that has allowed companies such as Marquis to stay in business. With its Patented ak 40 jets. It is all about water volume, as the larger the volume the larger the coverage area of the jet. the higher the pressure or "velocity" the more irritating the jet, this is pressure that causes first itchy irritation then numbing of the area further causing more damage than good. In other words which feels better a poke with a stick or the kneading action of a massage therapist? Further noone ever "bashed" it was criticism based on an opinion of a fairly long term forum member. Sheesh you can always recognize the youngins' ;)
And Spatech? not a word about the me not being as smart as I thought! ;D
Spaman, Arctic Spas actually has a jet that moves more volume than the foot jet that you are referring to. It is called the Orca jet, or as Anne referred to it as the Volcano jet. It moves more water than any jet I have ever seen on any spa, and that includes all the "big boys." And like Anne said, who is an Arctic customer as I am sure you know, it is very comfortable for the feet and the lower back. They are positioned differently on every spa. You are looking at the FRONTIER where it has feet jets in both loungers, plus the Orca jet that can be felt in any seat throughout the spa, not just in one seat. That is why so many like that feature on the Arctic Spas. But you are the expert aren't you as you have sat in all the Arctic Spas time and time again right!!
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I clarified the post for the move away from gecko from hearsay by an actual Arctic dealer out west.
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I clarified the post for the move away from gecko from hearsay by an actual Arctic dealer out west.
Thank you, and im not trying to pick fights. Just defending the product so it is look in the proper light by consumers.
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I will say the Orca has similar power to the the jets on the Beachcomber RFM system and the whirlpool jet in the Avalon A844 & A857. If we have factual proof about GPMs then I got no issue saying its the most powerful.
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I will say the Orca has similar power to the the jets on the Beachcomber RFM system and the whirlpool jet in the Avalon A844 & A857. If we have factual proof about GPMs then I got no issue saying its the most powerful.
That's just it Pathfinder. There isn't factual proof for any of this that we are talking about really. But I will say this, one jet doesn't make a spa good or better in any brand that is ever brought up. There is much more to spas than just one jet.
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There is a difference between regular schedule 40 hosing and Reflex torsion hose. The Torsion hose is oversized to give a bigger glue joint, and also the colored rings are a system that helps clamp down onto fittings tighter.
Other than the color I don't see how that is different than the white flex hose most other spas use (which has those same rings except you don't see them since its white on white). I've seen the colored hose before and to me it was just flex hose that was colored.
Some of you guys are only 30!!?? Now it all makes sense. ;)
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Ya'll are giving me a headache. :'(
I do believe this thread is overdue to be transferred to a new home with the dead horses, so we can get back to our regular scheduled programming.
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Other than the color I don't see how that is different than the white flex hose most other spas use (which has those same rings except you don't see them since its white on white). I've seen the colored hose before and to me it was just flex hose that was colored.
Some of you guys are only 30!!?? Now it all makes sense. ;)
Its quite a bit different if you have the two different types in hand you can show the differences. The reflex really does clamp down better on the fittings, and provides and better glue joint.
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Spaman, Arctic Spas actually has a jet that moves more volume than the foot jet that you are referring to. It is called the Orca jet, or as Anne referred to it as the Volcano jet. It moves more water than any jet I have ever seen on any spa, and that includes all the "big boys." And like Anne said, who is an Arctic customer as I am sure you know, it is very comfortable for the feet and the lower back. They are positioned differently on every spa. You are looking at the FRONTIER where it has feet jets in both loungers, plus the Orca jet that can be felt in any seat throughout the spa, not just in one seat. That is why so many like that feature on the Arctic Spas. But you are the expert aren't you as you have sat in all the Arctic Spas time and time again right!!
Wow way to divert attention to another jet, well done! We were talking specifically about the one jet in the pizza lounge, NOT THE ORCA!
The Orca is very comperable to the one in the Envy I was talking about.
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Wow way to divert attention to another jet, well done! We were talking specifically about the one jet in the pizza lounge, NOT THE ORCA!
The Orca is very comperable to the one in the Envy I was talking about.
You were the one that brought all this up to begin with. We are comparing apples and oranges here. You were talking about the volume of the jet in the Envoy. I was talking about the volume of the jet of the Orca. Why does it matter where the placement of the jet is located when we are talking about volume? Both are foot jets, for therapy for the feet, but the Orca jet puts out more volume, which was the main emphasis of your statement. As I said in my last statement, you can feel the volume of the Orca jet in any seat in the Arctic Spa, not just one seat like in the Envoy.
Also I sent you a PM, but you must not be replying. You said you don't sell hot springs. What brand are you affiliated with. Just curious?
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Wow way to divert attention to another jet, well done! We were talking specifically about the one jet in the pizza lounge, NOT THE ORCA!
The Orca is very comperable to the one in the Envy I was talking about.
And again you havent answered my question
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Tub traffic must be slow. ;)
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I guess I dont know what you mean,
Obviously not. I am not trying to compare anything against Arctic. I told you how HS does it. That was all.
Arctics dont use 90 degree fittings we use a type of flex pipe as well. Actually a upgraded form of flex hose called Reflex Torsion Hose.
Great name. What is the pipe schedule - how does it compare to real spa flex? Now relax, I'm just kidding - but I did want to make a point that this is not the place to carelessly drop in words like "we use the upgraded "Frommel Rim Grommet," which as everybody with a brain knows is the best in the world."
But, I'm not on here claiming that it is four times as powerful. So prove it to me and the rest of the board before making that claim. Like everyone has said a million times here this is a site for consumers to make reasonable judgments on spas and when people spew out incorrect information it gives out misconceptions.
I said the foot jet in that one model of spa moves four times the water of the other jets in that spa. Said it uses a diverter to take the flow from over four jets (exact number varies from model to model and depends upon the size of the jets being diverted). I said they make the plumbing as slick as they can. Never once said a word about Arctic nor made any comparisons.
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Is an Orca the same as a Canuck? Or is a Canuck an Eskimo?
Inuits are Eskimos, too, are they not?
Hi spahappy!
Terminaotr
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Yes its slow today, I am in my office trying to clean it. :'(
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/cristcabin/frontier_legend_se.jpg)
I am trying to fathom how you can feel the Orca jet on your feet from the far left pizza seat.
Please explain how this pretzel act works.
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I am trying to fathom how you can feel the Orca jet on your feet from the far left pizza seat.
Please explain how this pretzel act works.
OH NO! Don't get him started!
I need to go out and buy stock in "Photoshop" before you ask Term a question like that...
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Tub traffic must be slow. ;)
Hi SpaHappy long time no see, the wife and I are going to come out pheasant hunting one year, so keep the invite open. ;)
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OH NO! Don't get him started!
I need to go out and buy stock in "Photoshop" before you ask Term a question like that...
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You know he is already working on it, right?
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Yes its slow today, I am in my office trying to clean it. :'(
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b51/cristcabin/frontier_legend_se.jpg)
I am trying to fathom how you can feel the Orca jet on your feet from the far left pizza seat.
Please explain how this pretzel act works.
Very slow here today too. Anyways it works very simple. That's the nice thing about the lounger is that seat and this spa. Just because it is a lounger, doesn’t mean you have to use the seat as a lounger all the time. What you do, is you swivel your legs about 30 to 40 degrees to the right, and your feet and back of your calves will enjoy one of the best foot and leg massages you can get from the orca jet. Now of course this can only be achieved if there isn’t anyone in the lounger next to you on the right, which isn’t always the case.
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Very slow here today too. Anyways it works very simple. That's the nice thing about the lounger is that seat and this spa. Just because it is a lounger, doesn’t mean you have to use the seat as a lounger all the time. What you do, is you swivel your legs about 30 to 40 degrees to the right, and your feet and back of your calves will enjoy one of the best foot and leg massages you can get from the orca jet. Now of course this can only be achieved if there isn’t anyone in the lounger next to you on the right, which isn’t always the case.
O.k but if I try this and the right hip jet hits me in the b@77$ I am suing! ;D
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O.k but if I try this and the right hip jet hits me in the b@77$ I am suing! ;D
You know it's funny you say that. I had a customer last year at the home show that came upto me and his first question was this and he asked in all seroiusness, He said"I want to know how that jet right there will feel on my b@77$. I really didnt know what to think, his wife hit him on his arm, and then I said back as serious as I could"Well I guess it depends on how big of b@77$ you got!!" He thought that was the best answer he could get. He bought a Kodiak Ultra 45 minutes later.
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Is an Orca the same as a Canuck? Or is a Canuck an Eskimo?
Inuits are Eskimos, too, are they not?
Hi spahappy!
Terminaotr
Hey!!!! now just you wait a dag gum minute mister ;D
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Hey!!!! now just you wait a dag gum minute mister ;D
I'm serious. I needed a Canuck logo for Bubba Steve's space Zamboni in my Spa Wars saga and it was a picture of an Orca.
Is it not?
Or is a Canuck like a northern redneck? :-?
Term
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I'm serious. I needed a Canuck logo for Bubba Steve's space Zamboni in my Spa Wars saga and it was a picture of an Orca.
Is it not?
Or is a Canuck like a northern redneck? :-?
Term
LOL, the Vancouver Canucks use a killer whale in the team logo!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canuk
History
The term was coined in the 19th century, although its etymology is unclear. Possibilities include:
kanata[1] "village" (See Canada)
Canada + -uc (Algonquian noun suffix)
Connaught, an obscure term for Irish-French-Canadians.
Meaning
The Random House Dictionary notes that: "The term Canuck is first recorded about 1835 as an Americanism, originally referring specifically to a French Canadian. This was probably the original meaning, though in Canada and other countries, "Canuck" refers to any Canadian." [1]
Usage and examples
Canadians use "Canuck" as an affectionate description of nationality and the word carries no particular patriotic overtones. A few Americans misinterpret "Canuck" as an offensive noun but would be hard pressed to find a Canadian, French or English, insulted by the word.
We called a guy in High School "Canuck". We always took it to simply mean "Canadian" since that was where he was from.
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I'm serious. I needed a Canuck logo for Bubba Steve's space Zamboni in my Spa Wars saga and it was a picture of an Orca.
Is it not?
Or is a Canuck like a northern redneck? :-?
Term
Term
You kill me ;D ;D I'm sitting here laughing my butt off
Canuck is a nick name, like a US resident being called a Yankee, its also the name of the Vancouver NHL team and that's where your logo came from if I remember right. Northern Redneck!!! I love it ;D ;D
All Eskimos are Inuits except for the Edmonton type that play football, its like all Indians (sorry for the term) are Native Americans
Orca is the Inuit term for a Killer Whale
So now you have had a quick lesson in Canadian terminology
Northern redneck ;D ;D ;D
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Being that it's only "slightly" clearer now, who is Bubba Steve and why does he have a space zamboni? I gotta learn to speak Texan... :-?
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I gotta learn to speak Texan... :-?
You and 3/4 of us in the US need an interpretor for Texan! They have language translators on the internet but they are only good fro translating between English, Spanish, French, etc. but never Texan.
Here are a few helpful phrases to clear things up a bit:
Bob Warr Fants: something to keep cattle in a pasture.
Warr Plars: something you cut a fants with.
Rat Naow: immediately.
Rat Cheer: in this very place.
Rat Chonder: over thetaway.
Rat Tare: a little south of Rat Cheer.
Cheer: a sittin'-on thang.
Amulants: a thang thet takes you to the hospital when yore lag is broke.
Syreen: a noisemaker you put on an amulants so's folks will git out of the way.
Ehr Ull: a man's first name.
Arrows: mistakes.
Far Angine: this is something that you call when yore house is burnin' down, or up.
Punchard Tar: something that goes flat when you don't have a spar.
Texco All Cumpny: refineries.
Merkan Cissen: one born in the U.S.A.
BARD - (verb) - Past tense of the infinitive "to borrow." Usage "Ma brother bard ma pickup truck."
JAWJUH - (noun) - The State north of Florida. Capitol is Lanner. Usage "My brother from Jawjuh bard ma pickup truck."
BAMMER - (noun) - The state west of Jawjuh. Capitol is Berminhayum. Usage "A tornader jes went through Bammer an' left $20,000,000 in provements."
MUNTS - (noun) - A calendar division. Usage "My brother from Jawjuh bard ma pickup truck, and I ain't herd from him in munts."
THANK - (verb) - Cognitive process. Usage "Ah thank ah'll have a bare."
BARE - (noun) - An alcoholic beverage made of barley, hops, and yeast. Usage "Ah thank ah'll have a bare."
IGNERT - (adjective) - Not smart. See "Arkansas native." Usage "Them bammer boys sure are ignert !"
RANCH - (noun) - A tool used for tight'nin' bolts. Usage "I thank I left my ranch in the back of that pickup truck my brother from Jawjuh bard a few munts ago."
RETARD - (verb) - To stop working. Usage "My grampaw retard at age 65."
FAT - (noun), (verb) - a battle or combat; to engage in battle or combat. Usage "You younguns keep fat'n, n' ah'm gonna whup y'uh."
RATS - (noun) - Entitled power or privilege. Usage "We Southerners are willin' to fat for are rats."
FARN - (adjective) - Not domestic. Usage "I cuddint unnerstand a wurd he sed ... must be from some farn country."
DID - (adjective) - Not alive. Usage "He's did, Jim."
ARE - (noun) - A colorless, odorless gas. Oxygen. Usage "He can't breathe ... give 'im some ARE !"
HAZE - a contraction. Usage "Is Bubba smart? Nah...haze ignert. He ain't thanked but a minnit'n 'is laf."
SEED - (verb) - past tense of "to see." Usage "Billy Bob seed Bubba over'ta fill'n station yester'd."
VIEW - contraction (verb) and pronoun. Usage "I ain't never seed New York City ... view ?"
GUBMINT - (noun) - A bureaucratic institution. Usage "Them gubmint boys shore is ignert."
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If you say Arctic doesnt use 90's I will refer you to your own website http://www.arcticspas.com/index.php/en/show_content/2/43/ looks like 90'S
Yup, that's a 90. The red hose is the return line. I thought we had removed all 90s in the pressure lines, and just took a quick walk out to the production floor to check. There is a single 90 in the return line, and a 90 at each of two diverters on the model that was going down the line at the time. These appear to be 3" hoses.
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... the far left pizza seat. Please explain how this pretzel act works.
Pizza seats, I like that! ;D That is exactly what they look like!
"Roll out those lazy, crazy, hazy seats of Arctic, those seats of pizza and pretzels and beer..." (the beer seats are in the corners, opposite the pizza).
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Being that it's only "slightly" clearer now, who is Bubba Steve and why does he have a space zamboni? I gotta learn to speak Texan... :-?
Why, you is Bubba Steve!
http://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1184342444
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Hey what happened to the part you promised me Term? Typical director, promise you the big part and once they get what they want...... :-*
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Well, now see, I missed all that due to my
mid life crisis ahhh career change and hense didn't visit here as often...
Some of your most creative work yet!!
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Well, now see, I missed all that due to my mid life crisis ahhh career change and hense didn't visit here as often...
Some of your most creative work yet!!
LOL, we all know that JA orchestrated your "career change"!!!
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Here are a few helpful phrases to clear things up a bit:
That was hi-larrus!
...$20,000,000 in improvements. ;D ;D ;D
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You know, after all the discussion about these jets, I went and looked at the Arctic "Orca" jet. To me, it looks just like the "Euphoria" Jet that Caldera uses and many others use. What is so special about that jet. Of course, I couldn't enlarge the image so I may be mistaken, but it looks to be a generic "volcano" jet that many of the manufacturers use. Yes, it's high volume, but nothing too different.
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LOL, we all know that JA orchestrated your "career change"!!!
lol... well he did say that I wouldn't work in the spa industry again ;D (though I've been asked more than a couple times to return), but I've never been happier, made more money and been thrust into a position of "having" to deal with beautiful women all day seems to just prevent me from wanting to return. ;)
I miss JA... :'(
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lol... well he did say that I wouldn't work in the spa industry again ;D (though I've been asked more than a couple times to return), but I've never been happier, made more money and been thrust into a position of "having" to deal with beautiful women all day seems to just prevent me from wanting to return. ;)
I miss JA... :'(
Can you get me a job there? Sounds perfect. :)
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Hey what happened to the part you promised me Term? Typical director, promise you the big part and once they get what they want...... :-*
Ah'll get tuh it, 'venchully. Been too much goin'on the last few munths, jes ain't had tahm to do all I's wantin' tuh do.
Gottuh sell sum spas!
Termie