Just back frm Class

[spahappy]

wet test a 706. 705, M6 or 481

Bonnie PM me when you and your sister are ready to try out the Colemans listed by losenup. I love my 706 and I'll share some of my observations with you befor you wet test.

That being said, I still think wet tests are different from one person to the other even with tubs within the same manufacturer. While Bonnie may still prefer her spa to any other, her sister may find another brand more comfortable for her body size and family dynamic. The real key is to find the spa that everyone in the family likes.

I think Marquis had a great idea by doing the comparisions. But to really make it fair they should of included more models in each line like they did with their own. And they should have had veteran, experienced, salespeople or reps from every different manufacturer showing their spas and touting the benifits of that brand.

Everone who's been in this crazy business for any length of time would love to open up and disect the competition first hand. But untill a totally unbiased, independent, testing organization takes this task on, we will forever feel that results are somewhat tainted.

Knowing what I do about the two brands I sell, it would be easy for me to make one more desirable than the other during a wet test. Simply by not teaching the consumer everything they need to know about the operation of a spa could leave them with very different opinions.

[Steve]

Instead, what about the concept of having competing brands there without the sales hype and just letting people try the different spas to form their own opinion based on a wet test? WHATTA CONCEPT!   We should do that for our customers!!  

Hey Mendo, how many people that were at those meetings jumped ship?  

Steve

[Mendocino101]

Steve,

The testing was great as it was at your own leisure. It was very much like going to someones house for a barbecue and finding 10 spas to jump in and try. No one tired to influence you and no one said oh hey check this out. As with any maker there were some dealers who sold multi lines and they are the ones who could really offer some insights.

[Chad]

I missed alot.

[spahappy]

Instead, what about the concept of having competing brands there without the sales hype and just letting people try the different spas to form their own opinion based on a wet test? WHATTA CONCEPT!   We should do that for our customers!!  

Hey Mendo, how many people that were at those meetings jumped ship?  

Steve

Come on Steve don't tell be that when you were selling Beachcomber and had wet testers in you didn't teach them how to get the most out of their experience. And you can't tell me that every dealer there was a seasoned soaker. It never ceases to amaze me how many dealers/salespeople don't own a hot tub, rarely soak in one and don't take care of spas in any other enviroment than inside the showroom. Big big mistake if you ask me.

Me thinks you sound a bit like a Marquis rep

Oh and the only way it would be like a backyard party with 10 hot tubs to try is if refreshments of different colors and flavors were included..

Here's a question...Did any of the Marquis dealers attending prefer another brand?

[spahappy]

You and me's always understand each ofther!



Termiy

Term it's time for your computor to crash and lose all those pictures you have of us.

Mendo explain this three way valve to me. How many seats in the spa does it effect?

If the Epic has two 2.5HP pumps can you direct both pumps to one seat?

If it's three ways does that mean you can direct both pumps to two seats?

[Bonibelle]

Spahappy, the easiest way to see what Mendo is talking about is to view the trizone on Marquis website.
http://www.marquisspas.com/flash/tri_zone_therapy/popup_flash_trizone_therapy.asp

It is interactive and you can move the diverters to see how the flow changes. What you can't do is to see the many in-between settings.
I am still working on my sister's husband but she told me tonight she hopes that he will soon agree as she is really having some serious problems with her back from an auto accident.  When she gets to the wet testing part, I will definately encourage her to try Coleman (and I will compare also because I want to feel the same amount of water delivered differently)  She knows my tub and she also has visited my dealer, but as the good sister that I am, I would encourage her to look for a tub that suited her needs best....that might be a Coleman, it might be a HS or Jacuzzi...or a D1 (I believe they are the dealers that are closest to her). She particularly liked the feel of the deep massage of the jets that Mendo mentioned..that is how this all started.
Thanks for your help and I will definately connect with you and loosenup

[Spa_hottie]

The Vanguard listed on the website is correctly listed as a HP model as it has 2 jet pumps and 150 sq ft of filtration.  The Vanguard Classic model is correctly listed as an EE as it has 1 jet pump and 120 sq ft of filtration.  Hope that helps! - SpaHottie

[Gomboman]

The Vanguard listed on the website is correctly listed as a HP model as it has 2 jet pumps and 150 sq ft of filtration.  The Vanguard Classic model is correctly listed as an EE as it has 1 jet pump and 120 sq ft of filtration.  Hope that helps! - SpaHottie

I believe the Mother Ship changed the Vanguard to an EE on the website. I thought the Vanguard was an EE due to the smaller pumps--1.65 HP. The 2.0 HP and 2.5 HP models are listed as HP versions. Also, the Vanguard has 150 square feet of filtering versus 325 square feet (Tri-X Filters) for the HP models

[windsurfdog]

Wow - starting to get lost in the math.

I think the hot ticket is to try these tubs wet. As Mendo will attest, you can enjoy all sorts of combinations of jets.

You will find high-pressure jets which will feel great, and low-pressure jets which will feel great. You will find seats with two or four mega-jets which feel great, and you will find seats with 17 small jets which feel great.

But not all of those seats will feel great to everybody, and sometimes doing a comparison will result in a person liking one set of jets and not liking another.

Just like horsepower numbers on a brochure mean nothing, number of jets, even GPM flow rates do not guarantee that a given tub will be more suited to a person's likes or dislikes.

I have sold spas with oversized plumbing, huge jets, and high-volume low-pressure jets. They were great. I have also sold spas with high-pressure low-volume jets, and they are great as well.

Let your backside decide.

 8-)

A great thread to avoid...

Once again, Chas rises to the top while a couple of others languish on the bottom debating useless "facts".

[Mendocino101]

A great thread to avoid...

Once again, Chas rises to the top while a couple of others languish on the bottom debating useless "facts".

Now there is some real insight and a post that really shows your contribution to the board. Perhaps you can shed some more of your constructive wisdom on other threads that you don't care for.

[windsurfdog]

I really don't see anything constructive in this thread other than some very biased opinions on Marquis.  Don't get me wrong...unlike your thoughts regarding my choice of tubs, I feel Marquis is an excellent product.  You missed both my point and Chas' point...forget all the hype about GPM and such...it's all personal based on feeling.

And, oh, it was probably a good thing that you deleted that snide post directed at me personally...I was beginning to think Steve might want to retract his previous post regarding your refusal to speak badly of anyone.

[Mendocino101]

I think we both share a very similar opinion of each other. And it would be my guess that’s its not very flattering.

[Mendocino101]

I really don't see anything constructive in this thread other than some very biased opinions on Marquis.  Don't get me wrong...unlike your thoughts regarding my choice of tubs, I feel Marquis is an excellent product.  You missed both my point and Chas' point...forget all the hype about GPM and such...it's all personal based on feeling.
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When you talk about missing the point, I am not sure if anyone has ever missed it more than you and your spa. I have never spoken about your tub. The fact is I have always said the product may in fact be very good. I have always spoken about the marketing ethics of your maker and you have never seemed to understand that.

[Campsalot]

Wow, Mendo you are pumped!  That is such a cool feeling when one comes back from sales/product training.  The fact that your company looked so closely at the other spas was a great idea.  Actually, I would have to call it a real common sense move simply because knowing and learning the most about ones competitors is "common sense".  I noticed you did not spend a lot of time talking about the Sundance in your thread.  Yes, I know what you said at the start of the thread!  However, I was curious as to what model you tested and what your thoughts were.  How is the construction, etc?
During this seminar, how much time was spent on learning how to offer "awesome customer service"?  There seems to be a huge lack of that up in my part of the country in the spa business?  Was customer service even discussed?  Looking forward to your answers!  Thanks!