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I think we came into this arena about the same time and also came to the same conclusion about Arctic. It's obviously as well built as many and better built than most. It's hands down better built than any I saw that includes Hot Springs, CalSpa, Marquis, Sundance, LaSpa and, while a close 2nd, Coleman, which we bought due to better "fit." The differences are black and white I think. The Arctic top's better, the shell's better and the bottom's better. The framing may be average but last, yet not least, their method of TP is (arguably) better. You're fighting a lot of defensive salesman treating this like arguments about who's wife's better. (Mine obviously.) You need a smiley face that infers "nod and smile" or "whatever" for those types that manuever the facts to suit their spa (or wife.)Joel
Can someone tell me the definition of sealed dead air space??? I have to be missing something.Now your telling me that the pressure of the hot air would prevent the cold coming in that small air gapthis would be considered by most people as heat loss I never said anything about cold air entering Top 10 in terms of What?The point of the experiment is longevity of the design it is an older tub. So unless your only concern is the first couple years of efficiency then thats great.There is no "iceberg"And people say Hot Springs Kool Aid is strong
QuoteCan someone tell me the definition of sealed dead air space??? I have to be missing something.Now your telling me that the pressure of the hot air would prevent the cold coming in that small air gapthis would be considered by most people as heat loss I never said anything about cold air entering Top 10 in terms of What?The point of the experiment is longevity of the design it is an older tub. So unless your only concern is the first couple years of efficiency then thats great.There is no "iceberg"And people say Hot Springs Kool Aid is strong It sure looks like an iceberg to me!Fortunately we Arctic owners don't : drink Kool Aid (we like higher quality beverages) and we also try and express facts about our brand without demeaning the competition. I guess the truth hurts!
First of all pkud, I stated that I didn't know what was on top of the spa, but rather identified the cabinet as an Arctic. (I still don't know what is covering the spa.)Secondly, you seem to imply that you believe the spa industry exists in a world of total subjectivity, no brand is any better than any brand. Then could I extrapolate out that HS is the number one seller for just it's reputation, or that dealers just mention they are #1 and consumers are just sheep and follow the crowd?
Gee pkud, you sound like a nice, honest guy. I am too! Why then are we selling hot tubs and insurance? Where are you located in FL. My son has been extended a "tentative" job offer by the FAA as a flight controller at Miami International, hopefully to start sometime in Feb after his 2 month training at OK city. Maybe I could generate a sale for you?!
QuoteGee pkud, you sound like a nice, honest guy. I am too! Why then are we selling hot tubs and insurance? Where are you located in FL. My son has been extended a "tentative" job offer by the FAA as a flight controller at Miami International, hopefully to start sometime in Feb after his 2 month training at OK city. Maybe I could generate a sale for you?!Live in Palm Beach, but store is in Ft Laud. Miami is still in my wheelhouse. He'll need a spa with that job.
QuoteQuoteGee pkud, you sound like a nice, honest guy. I am too! Why then are we selling hot tubs and insurance? Where are you located in FL. My son has been extended a "tentative" job offer by the FAA as a flight controller at Miami International, hopefully to start sometime in Feb after his 2 month training at OK city. Maybe I could generate a sale for you?!Live in Palm Beach, but store is in Ft Laud. Miami is still in my wheelhouse. He'll need a spa with that job. He asks, why do I need a HOT tub in that environment?
I am not a physics expert, but I seem to remember from high school that hot air molecules are more dense than cold (maybe Altazi, the physics guru could help here). In addition, hot air wants to rise (to the seal area in which we are discussing) and will apply pressure to whatever small crevise that may exist between the inside and out. Finally, I believe that the pressure of the inside air is greater than the outside which would also deter cold air from entering. If someone wants to verify or dispute those hypotheses, I am all ears.
Fortunately we Arctic owners don't : drink Kool Aid (we like higher quality beverages) and we also try and express facts about our brand without demeaning the competition. I guess the truth hurts!
QuoteFortunately we Arctic owners don't : drink Kool Aid (we like higher quality beverages) and we also try and express facts about our brand without demeaning the competition. I guess the truth hurts!LOL, arctic owners are no different than owners of Marquis, Vita, Hot Springs, Beachcomber, etc. Some understand how their spas work very well and have great points to make, some just pass on what they've been told, some are defensive of their product and will defend it to the death no matter what, some are open minded, some are not, some just like the look and feel of it, some wet tested, some didn't, some bought it because their friend had good luck with theirs, some drink the kool-aid, some help make the kool-aid, some have no idea there is any koo-aid, etc. As far as the truth hurting, it depends on who's truth you're referring to.