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. I'll take my chances with TP tub(which will retain the heat from the hot water protecting equipment) like an Arctic at least where i live.....where it does get belowing freezing!
I love it...TP vs FF--The idea is that with TP the 105 degree water will keep the equipment area warm and being insulated on top with lid and cavity with insulation all around it and insulated floor, you will retain a heated air space possibly postponing freezing time. It will take hours if not days to cool 450 gallons of water thats insulated. These spa motors are meant to be run in a higher ambient temp. look at the name plate on motor somewhere around 50 C =140 F(approx) not really a consideration---when we are talking about freeze up anyways
I think it is stlrex that is in the ho tub business based on his lingo. I bet he is the Arctic store owner or related to someone there. No wonder he claims so much and has so much information. You must have a cut throat business to toss so much information around like you do. P.S. I actually do accounting work from home-sorry!
Sorry but you can not have it both ways, You except people to take a giant leap of faith to buy into this concept as it was already mentioned by TP advocate a full foam will keep the water hot longer without out heat to now and try to twist this into something else is simply not credible and dishonest.
Think about pump or heater FAILURE, or GFCI trip NOT poweroutage...when its -20 C out, water freezes very fast like in the pump or heater or lines that have NO insulation protecting them. You leave for work and all is well you come home from work 8-10 hrs later things will freeze in a FF spa--the tub water and shell will still be warm but your pump,heater and lines are all exposed to that COLD ambient outside temperature of -20 (you see the point). Now you need a replacement part possibly pump or heater do you actually think you will get one that evening?Not likely, we are talking about a Spa Guy/salesman. I'll take my chances with TP tub(which will retain the heat from the hot water protecting equipment) like an Arctic at least where i live.....where it does get belowing freezing!
Posted by: Mendocino101""""As a learning experience for us all....I would bet that if you put a thermometer in the equipment area of a TP the temp will exced 140F ..... """"""As regards to this post. I keep a thermometer on the inside of the equipment area. It's almost always with in 1 degree of the actual water temperature.The only time it gets to a 120 is when all pumps (usually only in a Legend spa with 3 4hp 56 frame pumps) are on for a few hours. Example a home show! Other then that the temp in the equipment area doesn't get much hotter the 110 but almost always around 100-104.Here is a proposal. Find an Arctic Spa owner who actually had to get his/her spa fixed because of freezing? Then lets actually find out how long the power was out, what temperature the spa set at before power loss, make sure the cover was on, and the doors are on. Compare that number to the amount of frozen spas from each other company. I fix rufley 50 frozen spas each winter. Not once in 7 years have we had to replace any component on an Arctic Spa do to freezing! That is because for 5 plus days if the water was at 104, cover on, and doors on the spa will retain heat at ZERO. I've been told by some of the Canadian dealers that it can go that long at -20. But I've only seen 0. Michael www.HeavenlyTimes.com
Mike...Sounds great........ fantastic......wonderful.....but what I posted about was in the areas where freezing does not occur.....where it is of no issue....it means nothing...on the coldest of nights it might get into the 30's ....and that is very very rare.....than based on what I have read and as pointed out by a Ari tic owner, a FF spa will keep the water hotter and a for a longer period of time than a TP style will....and my point was that maybe in the climates where freezing is of concern it might make sense but in those areas where it is not....than its value means nothing and that in those areas a FF spa will be more efficient as pointed out by an Arctic owner.
That is a good question. It would appear that the Arctic guys have on the stats on freeze times for FF, I can only assume they have a freeze time for an Arctic. Is it 4 days? 1 week? 4 weeks?
Sure, if the power were to go out, I'm guessing a FF tub will hold the spa shell water temp longer all things being equal (cover thickness, starting temp etc). But you're talking about the non existent. Unless you're in a third world country, you're power's going to be back on in a day or two not a week or two. In days, perhaps hours, below 32F, a mostly uninsulated FF equipment area will more than likely freeze, a point yet to be refuted. Common sense dictates that an uninsulated area is subject to the elements.