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I never said the Artesian spa couldn't keep water clean. I believe I said that the dealer I visited had a Piper Glen that had very cloudy water. This spa was located right where customers entered the store. She said to call her the day before we were going to come in to wet test so they could clean up the water. We'll probably try the Artesian before we definitely decide on the Maxxus, but right now I am heavily leaning towards the Sundance Maxxus.
Don't worry about the dealer. Let the wet test, features, and price make your decision. They are both quality manufacters so no worries there. Everyone on this forum rants about dealers being important. I couldn't disagree more. Funny how all of them just end up defending their brand.
Well, of course being a sundance lover, I must get my hand in this cookie jar! I sold against Artesian in California, ........commercial and negative jabs........, back to the point.. The spas have more pumps than Sundance, having one pump per station on some models, which is nice, but will cost you more on the electric bill......It sounds like your Artesian Salesperson is trying to talk down a spa he or she doesn't know very much about. It also sounds like your Sundance person isn't telling you the things they should be telling you in a Sundance presentation. In closing, my vote is definately for Sundance! But, I'm a tad biased since I've been working with Sundance (and Jacuzzi) for 4 years, and everyone in my family owns a Sundance.
Don't buy into the 5 pumps garbage. They just use 5 extremely small pumps. You still have to fit them under UL standards. That's 40 or 46 amps )+/- 10%. Yeah try replacing 5 pumps in 7 or 8 years. You probably can't even reach them. Marketing geniuses. They are showroom lights and story. I disagree with design.
QuoteDon't buy into the 5 pumps garbage. They just use 5 extremely small pumps. You still have to fit them under UL standards. That's 40 or 46 amps )+/- 10%. Yeah try replacing 5 pumps in 7 or 8 years. You probably can't even reach them. Marketing geniuses. They are showroom lights and story. I disagree with design. And what company do you work for? I don't know how long the pumps will last but I'm sure with proper water chemistry they all won't go "poof" in 7 or 8 years.
QuoteQuoteDon't buy into the 5 pumps garbage. They just use 5 extremely small pumps. You still have to fit them under UL standards. That's 40 or 46 amps )+/- 10%. Yeah try replacing 5 pumps in 7 or 8 years. You probably can't even reach them. Marketing geniuses. They are showroom lights and story. I disagree with design. And what company do you work for? I don't know how long the pumps will last but I'm sure with proper water chemistry they all won't go "poof" in 7 or 8 years.I've done a little spa service, I'd estimate 9-10 years out of most any pump before seals wear out, usually requiring the pump head be rebuilt or changed, so I'd still consider service access as an important point. Water chemistry doesn't have much to do with seal wear, BTW, but it will affect heater elements a lot...John FLV, NV
With all due respect to all who have posted, the number of pumps, power of the pumps, etc., etc., etc. really is not the point. The REAL point is how the tubs feel. If you get into an Artesian or a Sundance or any other tub, each tub will feel different...some better than others...TO YOU. Let your wet test be your guide and forget about everything else relating to pumps and pump efficiency.Now for energy efficiency, i.e., running 1 smaller pump for 1 seat or a larger pump for two seats, the actual energy usage will not be that different. The biggest difference you will find regarding energy usage is how well the tub is built and insulated...and I don't intend to start a trivial FF v. TP debate...either is fine if well constructed. Another factor for efficiency is cover construction...a lousy, ill fitting cover will cost you more in energy usage. And one more factor is how often/how long the tub is used. Certainly a tub that is used more will use more energy.If you get a quality tub from a quality dealer--a tub that you have wet tested and are happy with the therapy, you will be happy even if it costs you $20-$40 more in electricity a month. Forget $10/month...unless you don't use it. And if it goes over $40-$50/month, you've either purchased a lower quality tub or you have teenagers.... 8-)(P.S.--Vinny, can I still be your friend? )