but derby party, killed my water....too many people in it all day long....never got it clear... couldn't even describe the color, not green, just kinda gray, suspect color from suits as thankfully everyone stayed suited!!!! water looks so much better just waiting for the temp to go up!!! oh yeah and i was wrong bout not being the chemical person, that's my job too. damn. not too good at it either. ph down, alk down, add chems too high!!! hope i get it right before i kill my tub. thanks for all the good advice.