Flim Flam Man is an idiot

[Chas]

Would you then do a test-soak in a Super Custom Fallsburg?  

No, the Super Custom is the one without the ETL listing. Also, I am not a fan of over-powered jets. They hurt.

[Chris_H]

One more item: a new post just appears over there that says, "I chose Cal Spas because they are an obviously bad spa for Colorado ( the easiest mark ). I suspect that Cal Spas will sue us and that would give us the publicity and money we need to grow the testing facility."

Now, in the course of doing business for close to twenty years, I have never been sued. So I guess I just don't understand the system. Could somebody explain to me how it would put money into Jim's hand if Cal Spa sues him?

The part about the publicity I understand -

I don’t understand how getting sued is a good thing.  If he is doing a legitimate test and buying the spas himself and not altering them, I don’t see how he could be sued.  
Now he did state that an accounting firm would be verifying the results of the power usage,ect.  Cal could possibly sue the accounting firm if they give a false report.  Unfortunately, the accounting firm would be providing a “Agreed Upon Procedures Report” which can skew the results in any which way.
Don’t expect much from this.

[autoplay]

Couple questions....what's the difference between "super custom" and just "custom"?

2) Is Conjuna the plantiff or the defendant?

3) Shouldn't all the spas in the spa-off,by ETL/UL certified?

I love Brews idea of having his own spa-off. I'll even get it going if he's serious,and will do it as a non-profit organization. Only stipulation I'll have,and that regards to safety is.....they must be ETL/UL listed,and unchanged from the testing lab/s.

[spaceguy]

Okay, I had to register and finally say something....

I doubt his "test" would be fair.  Even with cameras on the spas,  the spas, covers, or cameras could be rigged ahead of time.  I can think of several ways to deceive, no doubt there are more...which would not be hard for the Deceptionist now would it!

The most neutral attempt would be to use a college, university, testing lab, etc, someone not connected with either or all parties, and have the spas checked out for proper installation and operation, then monitored independently...

But you guys already know this....

[Chris_H]

Okay, I had to register and finally say something....

I doubt his "test" would be fair.  Even with cameras on the spas,  the spas, covers, or cameras could be rigged ahead of time.  I can think of several ways to deceive, no doubt there are more...which would not be hard for the Deceptionist now would it!

The most neutral attempt would be to use a college, university, testing lab, etc, someone not connected with either or all parties, and have the spas checked out for proper installation and operation, then monitored independently...

But you guys already know this....

Nice seeing you here...

Didn't you at one time own a Haven?

[Brewman]

Okay, I had to register and finally say something....

I doubt his "test" would be fair.  Even with cameras on the spas,  the spas, covers, or cameras could be rigged ahead of time.  I can think of several ways to deceive, no doubt there are more...which would not be hard for the Deceptionist now would it!

The most neutral attempt would be to use a college, university, testing lab, etc, someone not connected with either or all parties, and have the spas checked out for proper installation and operation, then monitored independently...

But you guys already know this....

I wouldn't be suprised at all to find out that the test results are already printed and waiting to be published.

I'm not in the industry, and even I can see why there is absolutely nothing to incent any spa mfg. to enter such a contest.  It would only create negative press for the "losers".  No contest, no negative press, no incentive.  I suspect the results would be pretty boring anyway.  For the legit test, anyways.
Brewman

[spaceguy]

Nice seeing you here...

Didn't you at one time own a Haven?


Umm....sort of.....

if I got my money back, did I really "own" one!

[spaman--]

ELECTRIC HOT TUBS, SPAS & ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT
PHOENIX SPAS, INC. - Anderson, CA USA

Self-Contained Convertible & Nonconvertible Spa, Model Nos. 3000, 3010, 3020, 3030, 3040, 3050, 3060, 3070, 3080, 3090, 3040 followed by Oa, T, N, C, S, L, E, P, F, X, Z, H, B; followed by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

Self Contained Spas, Model Nos. Aztecs, Taos, Rena, Mohave, Navajo, Questa, Cimarron, Socorro, Artesia, Mariah, Santa Fe, Tucson, Corazza, Mesa, Coronado, United, Cortez.

+Evaluated to the following...


ETL says it is "still under investigation
as of this morning.

I called ETL 8 weeks ago, is it so difficult that it takes this long?

[Spatech_tuo]

Spaman,
I see your buddy Jim is at it again and this time he says he's going to buy one of your spas to test against his. Care to guess which will win? I'll bet he's already written up the data report and conclusions even though he hasn't started the testing (that way he'll have them ready to post in a more timely manner).

[spaman--]

Spaman,
I see your buddy Jim is at it again and this time he says he's going to buy one of your spas to test against his. Care to guess which will win? Maybe your home office should send him a cease and desist order against posting his bogus results. I'll bet he's already written up the data report and conclusions even though he hasn't started the testing (that way he'll have them ready to post in a more timely manner).

I can only hope I am lucky enough to be able to sell it to him.He can't even legally install his spa in the state of Colorado,I don't know how he plans to do a challenge with it,unless he takes it to Wyoming.

[Chris_H]

Why can't he install a Cal Spa?

[Backpains]

Ok, if the name Jim A is the one you all are talking about, I'm reading it now what a JOKE! Like if he's going to do a damned challange why use a tub that hardly no one has any respect for??? Why not one of the top challangers like jacuzzi or sundance or caldera or hs, geeez dumb and dumber are over there!

[spaman--]

I can only hope I am lucky enough to be able to sell it to him.He can't even legally install his spa in the state of Colorado,I don't know how he plans to do a challenge with it,unless he takes it to Wyoming.

He can install a Cal Spa "his spa" meant a "Super Custom Fallsapart"

[Brewman]

It's now one week past the listing deadline.  I'm not thinking there's anything new to see.
Brewman

[Spa_Tech]

Brewman- Of course theres nothing new to see... this is just how he works. He makes these claims specifically to get attention on him and his product - It doesnt seem to matter that he never delivers-

Case in point- I took him up on his ridiculous 'spa challenge'. I told him I would put up a refurbished 1989 Hot Spring Classic against his top spa, but he'd have to put his money where his mouth is. The deal I laid out was if my 14 year old tub beat his in any section of his challenge, he would pay for all my travel and 'challenge' related expenses.

This, from his perspective should have been an easy $5,000.00. Instead of taking me up on my offer, I got excuses; like he'd have to make a special 110v version of his spa to make the spas even, that I wasnt a representative of a manufacturer with a new spa, yada yada yada... So- no challenge, even though according to him, my old tub was way outmatched.

The throwing down of the gauntlet is only that- he's counting on no one taking up his gauntlet so that he can proclaim to the kool-aid drinkers that ALL manufacturers are so afraid of him that they would never allow their spa to be exposed as an inferior product to his... because most ignore him, his 'prophecy' becomes true.

In my opinion, he is an unscrupulous, fatuous boor. While its amusing to poke the bonehead with a stick, the results are nearly predictable to a fault.