What's the Best Hot Tub

Author Topic: HS Envoy or Californian  (Read 5339 times)

sagacious

  • Junior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
HS Envoy or Californian
« on: February 22, 2006, 12:48:59 am »
Envoy is 2005 floor model (never filled) for $7800
Californian 2006 model for $8400
I wet tested both and now is decision time....
Please help :)

Hot Tub Forum

HS Envoy or Californian
« on: February 22, 2006, 12:48:59 am »

hottubdan

  • Ultimate Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2323
  • In the spa business for over 20 years.
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2006, 01:17:29 am »
An Envoy for $600.00 less than a Californian is a great deal.
What comes with each.  Equal accessories?  How about the dealers?   ;)
Award winning Hot Spring dealer for a gazillion years.

anne

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1752
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2006, 04:59:00 am »
I was quoted $7500 for an '05 Californian- never filled, but not an '06. Seems like a big difference for 1 year. Price included all the standard stull- lifter, delivery....

Anne
Dance like nobody's watching

sagacious

  • Junior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2006, 09:09:18 am »
Yes, both tubs are equally equipped, with all standard goodies, backed by reputable dealers.
So, the question is: which tub is better?


East_TX_Spa

  • Mentor Level Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5687
  • 30 Year HotSpring Spa Dealer
    • I Love My Spa
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2006, 09:34:29 am »
Quote
So, the question is: which tub is better?



Well, I'll be happy to answer your question......they are both top of the line manufacturers, you can't go wrong with either one.  D-1 has some very nice features as does HotSpring.  I know which one I'd invest my money in but it's your money that's on the line so go with the one that provides the most long-term value for your particular needs.

Good luck and envoy whichever one you choose. :)

Terminator
Just layin' low and chucklin' in my stomach wif' da fidgets...

sagacious

  • Junior Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2006, 09:38:24 am »
Thx a lot Terminator but what is your suggestion? ;)

Tatooed_Lady

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1386
  • Participating in the Witness Protection Program
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2006, 09:43:53 am »
that's what I've enjoyed about reading Term's posts.....he sells one brand, but gives credit where it's due, regardless....
RIP C-Rod

drewstar

  • Mentor Level Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5274
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2006, 09:53:10 am »
What did you think of the tubs after testing them?

They look similliar in features and size, although the HS holds about 100 more galllons of water and about 375 sq ft of filters while the D1 has 350 gallons and 2 x 75 sq feet of filtration.    

The HS has 2  2hp pumps (one is 2 speed)

The D1 has 2 4 HP pumps.

How did you like the therapy on each?


I like the foot well on the D1.


These tubs both have a decent rep. I'd go for the one that feels best on your butt. (Assuming each dealer has checked out ok?)

However, I was unsure of D1's claim of  "# Patented design achieves zero percent off-gassing
# The only system that ozonates spa water while in use"

what type of Ozinator are they using?  I was under the impression that my Freshwater Ozinator worked 24 x 7. What's the deal here?

« Last Edit: February 22, 2006, 09:54:03 am by drewstar »
07 Caldera Geneva

East_TX_Spa

  • Mentor Level Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5687
  • 30 Year HotSpring Spa Dealer
    • I Love My Spa
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2006, 09:56:45 am »
Quote
Thx a lot Terminator but what is your suggestion? ;)

The answer is in my original post.  Read it again carefully.  I do envoy your position of getting to choose between these two fine products.  And, I never make typos. ;)

Terminator
Just layin' low and chucklin' in my stomach wif' da fidgets...

anne

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1752
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2006, 10:35:18 am »
I wet tested both those recently, and here are a few things I noted that may be worth paying attention to when you sit in them again (how else to choose?) These are personal opinions, and should only be taken as such:

Californian:
1)thigh jets on the lounger more irritating than therapeutic
2)Adjustable head rest is a big plus, but only one seat has it
3)I found the diverter knobs and air knobs hard to move when the jets were on full- may have just been that unit.
4)seats were too "u" shaped, so made me feel like slouching.
5)jets did not hit my lumbosacral area well enough
6)jets in the smaller corner seat felt a little itchy
7)nice variety of jet arrangements and seat shapes to accomodate height and preferences

Envoy
1)my favorite layout of lounger, seat arrangements, foot massage  
2) I like that the waterfall is not in back of a seat or in front of a lounger! (dont remember where it was on the D1)
3)not personally crazy about the moto massage. But it feels completely different than the D1, so you just have to try both
4)Sort of a pain that the controls are only next to the lounger.
check out jsimo7's "10 month review"
« Last Edit: February 22, 2006, 10:36:45 am by anne »
Dance like nobody's watching

salesdvl

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1154
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2006, 10:48:02 am »
Quote
that's what I've enjoyed about reading Term's posts.....he sells one brand, but gives credit where it's due, regardless....


HUH??              just kidding   ;D
Measure once, cut twice.

drewstar

  • Mentor Level Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5274
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2006, 11:34:50 am »
I envoy Term's post too. He never makes claims of an epic proportions, even though he is a bit jetsetter, he always gives the image of being more of a beachcomber.  I wish we had more dealers like him here, downeast. During our cold artic winters, his grandee personality would be a welcome change.

Anyhow, I think I'v mssion the point and we wouldn't Haven that. Now would we?
07 Caldera Geneva

Spatech_tuo

  • Mentor Level Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6340
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2006, 11:54:14 am »
Quote
What did you think of the tubs after testing them?

They look similliar in features and size, although the HS holds about 100 more galllons of water and about 375 sq ft of filters while the D1 has 350 gallons and 2 x 75 sq feet of filtration.    

The HS has 2  2hp pumps (one is 2 speed)

The D1 has 2 4 HP pumps.

How did you like the therapy on each?


I like the foot well on the D1.




Drewstar,

Always be careful reading or quoting Horsepower on spa literature (or from salesmen). Some manufacturers quote Brake Horsepower only which is deceptive by itself while others quote continuous horsepower or both. D1 is strattling the line a bit here as they show both but don't really explain it that well but it's still better than many do (the dreaded C@! Spas website still quotes BHP only).  

From the D1 website: "2 x 4.0/(2.5) HP"

That means they are both 2.5 continuous HP pumps (otherwise known as 4.0 BHP when marketing terms are used).  

The Hot Springs site quotes: "2.0 HP Continuous Duty, 3.9 HP Breakdown Torque"

We need an industry watch Dog to straighten this out. Where is McGruff when you need him?
220, 221, whatever it takes!

drewstar

  • Mentor Level Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5274
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2006, 11:57:13 am »
Quote

Drewstar,

Always be careful reading or quoting Horsepower on spa literature (or from salesmen). Some manufacturers quote Brake Horsepower only which is deceptive by itself while others quote continuous horsepower or both. D1 is strattling the line a bit here as they show both but don't really explain it that well but it's still better than many do (the dreaded C@! Spas website still quotes BHP only).

From the D1 website: "2 x 4.0/(2.5) HP"

That means they are both 2.5 continuous HP pumps (otherwise known as 4.0 BHP when marketing terms are used).

The Hot Springs site quotes: "2.0 HP Continuous Duty, 3.9 HP Breakdown Torque"

We need an industry watch Dog to straighten this out. Where is McGruff when you need him?


Thanks Spatech. I've read quite a bit about Brake and Continous hp here and other places. And sure enough, in haste, I forget all about it and post mi\sleading data.  Glad your here!

07 Caldera Geneva

Spatech_tuo

  • Mentor Level Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6340
Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2006, 12:13:44 pm »
Quote

Thanks Spatech. I've read quite a bit about Brake and Continous hp here and other places. And sure enough, in haste, I forget all about it and post mi\sleading data.  Glad your here!



Consider that a stern warning with no privileges withheld.
220, 221, whatever it takes!

Hot Tub Forum

Re: HS Envoy or Californian
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2006, 12:13:44 pm »

 

Home    Buying Guide    Featured Products    Forums    Reviews    About    Contact   
Copyright ©1998-2024, Whats The Best, Inc. All rights reserved. Site by Take 42