HS Envoy or Californian

[sagacious]

Envoy is 2005 floor model (never filled) for $7800
Californian 2006 model for $8400
I wet tested both and now is decision time....
Please help

[hottubdan]

An Envoy for $600.00 less than a Californian is a great deal.
What comes with each.  Equal accessories?  How about the dealers?  

[anne]

I was quoted $7500 for an '05 Californian- never filled, but not an '06. Seems like a big difference for 1 year. Price included all the standard stull- lifter, delivery....

Anne

[sagacious]

Yes, both tubs are equally equipped, with all standard goodies, backed by reputable dealers.
So, the question is: which tub is better?

[East_TX_Spa]

So, the question is: which tub is better?

Well, I'll be happy to answer your question......they are both top of the line manufacturers, you can't go wrong with either one.  D-1 has some very nice features as does HotSpring.  I know which one I'd invest my money in but it's your money that's on the line so go with the one that provides the most long-term value for your particular needs.

Good luck and envoy whichever one you choose.

Terminator

[sagacious]

Thx a lot Terminator but what is your suggestion?

[Tatooed_Lady]

that's what I've enjoyed about reading Term's posts.....he sells one brand, but gives credit where it's due, regardless....

[drewstar]

What did you think of the tubs after testing them?

They look similliar in features and size, although the HS holds about 100 more galllons of water and about 375 sq ft of filters while the D1 has 350 gallons and 2 x 75 sq feet of filtration.    

The HS has 2  2hp pumps (one is 2 speed)

The D1 has 2 4 HP pumps.

How did you like the therapy on each?


I like the foot well on the D1.


These tubs both have a decent rep. I'd go for the one that feels best on your butt. (Assuming each dealer has checked out ok?)

However, I was unsure of D1's claim of  "# Patented design achieves zero percent off-gassing
# The only system that ozonates spa water while in use"

what type of Ozinator are they using?  I was under the impression that my Freshwater Ozinator worked 24 x 7. What's the deal here?

[East_TX_Spa]

Thx a lot Terminator but what is your suggestion?

The answer is in my original post.  Read it again carefully.  I do envoy your position of getting to choose between these two fine products.  And, I never make typos.

Terminator

[anne]

I wet tested both those recently, and here are a few things I noted that may be worth paying attention to when you sit in them again (how else to choose?) These are personal opinions, and should only be taken as such:

Californian:
1)thigh jets on the lounger more irritating than therapeutic
2)Adjustable head rest is a big plus, but only one seat has it
3)I found the diverter knobs and air knobs hard to move when the jets were on full- may have just been that unit.
4)seats were too "u" shaped, so made me feel like slouching.
5)jets did not hit my lumbosacral area well enough
6)jets in the smaller corner seat felt a little itchy
7)nice variety of jet arrangements and seat shapes to accomodate height and preferences

Envoy
1)my favorite layout of lounger, seat arrangements, foot massage  
2) I like that the waterfall is not in back of a seat or in front of a lounger! (dont remember where it was on the D1)
3)not personally crazy about the moto massage. But it feels completely different than the D1, so you just have to try both
4)Sort of a pain that the controls are only next to the lounger.
check out jsimo7's "10 month review"

[salesdvl]

that's what I've enjoyed about reading Term's posts.....he sells one brand, but gives credit where it's due, regardless....

HUH??              just kidding  

[drewstar]

I envoy Term's post too. He never makes claims of an epic proportions, even though he is a bit jetsetter, he always gives the image of being more of a beachcomber.  I wish we had more dealers like him here, downeast. During our cold artic winters, his grandee personality would be a welcome change.

Anyhow, I think I'v mssion the point and we wouldn't Haven that. Now would we?

[Spatech_tuo]

What did you think of the tubs after testing them?

They look similliar in features and size, although the HS holds about 100 more galllons of water and about 375 sq ft of filters while the D1 has 350 gallons and 2 x 75 sq feet of filtration.    

The HS has 2  2hp pumps (one is 2 speed)

The D1 has 2 4 HP pumps.

How did you like the therapy on each?


I like the foot well on the D1.

Drewstar,

Always be careful reading or quoting Horsepower on spa literature (or from salesmen). Some manufacturers quote Brake Horsepower only which is deceptive by itself while others quote continuous horsepower or both. D1 is strattling the line a bit here as they show both but don't really explain it that well but it's still better than many do (the dreaded C@! Spas website still quotes BHP only).  

From the D1 website: "2 x 4.0/(2.5) HP"

That means they are both 2.5 continuous HP pumps (otherwise known as 4.0 BHP when marketing terms are used).  

The Hot Springs site quotes: "2.0 HP Continuous Duty, 3.9 HP Breakdown Torque"

We need an industry watch Dog to straighten this out. Where is McGruff when you need him?

[drewstar]

Drewstar,

Always be careful reading or quoting Horsepower on spa literature (or from salesmen). Some manufacturers quote Brake Horsepower only which is deceptive by itself while others quote continuous horsepower or both. D1 is strattling the line a bit here as they show both but don't really explain it that well but it's still better than many do (the dreaded C@! Spas website still quotes BHP only).

From the D1 website: "2 x 4.0/(2.5) HP"

That means they are both 2.5 continuous HP pumps (otherwise known as 4.0 BHP when marketing terms are used).

The Hot Springs site quotes: "2.0 HP Continuous Duty, 3.9 HP Breakdown Torque"

We need an industry watch Dog to straighten this out. Where is McGruff when you need him?

Thanks Spatech. I've read quite a bit about Brake and Continous hp here and other places. And sure enough, in haste, I forget all about it and post mi\sleading data.  Glad your here!

[Spatech_tuo]

Thanks Spatech. I've read quite a bit about Brake and Continous hp here and other places. And sure enough, in haste, I forget all about it and post mi\sleading data.  Glad your here!

Consider that a stern warning with no privileges withheld.