The Great Pool and Spa Show

[windsurfdog]

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[Soakin]

Masterge,

I am not a dealer, but I do take offense to your blanket indictments of the spa industry, especially on this website.  Most of the dealers that post on this site are offering their expertise to strangers that will likely never visit one of their stores, much less put a dollar in their pocket.  I, for one, appreciate the fact that they take the time to share their knowledge with us, and that most of them do their best to do so in an unbiased fashion.  Of course the occasional goofball shows up, putting out propaganda.  Those posters are usually identified quickly and they leave after a few posts, as I expect you will.  While I know none of the dealers who post here on a regular basis personally, I would expect to find that they are honorable, fair businesspeople....

Also retracted, most of the dealers I was referring to don't post here very much anymore.

[HotTubMan]

Also retracted, most of the dealers I was referring to don't post here very much anymore.

WOW. You really are upset, to go looking back that far only to "retract" your statement. Harsh.

[blizzard]

Some of the discussions here remind me of a bone with a pack of wild hungry dogs surrounding it. It's not a pretty site.

[Soakin]

WOW. You really are upset...

Actually, I'm not upset, just disappointed.  When the other thread with Mendo got out of hand, I remembered making this post, and how differently I felt then.  Interesting to note who responded back then.

HTM, while you were away, Chas, Stuart, SpaHappy, and some of the other dealers that made this such a good place to come, either got busy, lost interest or got frustrated and haven't been helping consumers sort through issues like they used to.  Consumers like Bill Stevenson, WSD, Vinny, and Drewski who I used to enjoy reading also seem to not be around as much.  IMO the void has been filled with stay-at-home websurfers, and salesmen with empty stores, entertaining themselves with social conversation, risque pictures and right-wing drivel.  Combine that with "new school" dealers who feel their brand is the answer to any question, and aren't shy about bashing others, and this place is just different than the one I first joined.  Newbies asking for assistance and information can wait days before anyone offers to help.   You, SpaTech TUO, JMcD, and a few other "good guys/gals" (my apologies to those I didn't mention) still come around from time to time, but the tone has changed.  If a biased statement is questioned, the thread quickly escalates to attack mode, and wmccall can't be around to police everything.

I had decided that rather than just complain about it, I would try to nudge things back on track.  Obviously, what I consider a nudge, others feel is a push. When  I end up provoking one of the people I had considered one of  the good guys into an attack by asking if a bias was showing through, I know it is time for me to go.

I wish everyone here a happy holiday season and a prosperous 2006.

[East_TX_Spa]

Amen!

Oh yeah, I just got ALL of my files transferred to my new computer so I can start participating on this fine board again and continue to help folks with their spa questions.  One or two misguided people on here would like things to quietly revolve around total alkalinity and TDS and whatnot.   You know, spas are fun, owning them is fun, selling them is great fun, talking about them can be fun as well as informative.

Ho Ho Ho

Terminator

[windsurfdog]

THE END.    (please.....please.....please.....

THE END.    (please.....please.....please.....  (One more time, with feeling....)

[LtDan]

THE END.    (please.....please.....please.....  (One more time, with feeling....)

Oh c'mon, lets wait to see what all the salesman with empty stores have to say!

[Spatech_tuo]

Oh c'mon, lets wait to see what all the salesman with empty stores have to say!

I'm not a salesman, but since you brough it back up, it'll only end when Master stops their phony road show sales practice. OK, I'm done with this subject too. Anyone else?

[East_TX_Spa]

Oh c'mon, lets wait to see what all the salesman with empty stores have to say!

For some reason, I got the strange feeling that soakin was alluding to me.  He's right about one thing, my store is almost empty....from selling out of product.  I've made the Century Club for the 3rd consecutive year, so it just goes to show that the true producers of this world are maybe, just maybe, talented enough to be multi-faceted and have a good time while turning a profit.

Terminator

[salesdvl]

The point has nothing to do with coming here or any other website and not having fun.  The point is to be able to come here and not have to endure the continuous ramblings that are obvious regurgitated marketing jargon.  Obvious, that is to those of us that have sold Watkins stuff before.  To others it could be construde to be fact and it isnt.  When a poster asked "What should I be looking for when I shop for a spa" a while back your first response was "100% no bypass filtration".  Come on, dude.  People come here for quality information.  Most of us that have been in the spa business for a long time answer with the "comfort, features, things that are important to you....etc..."  Just tone down the arrogance.  Many of us are out here doing the same thing.  Just because you happen to sell Watkins today doesnt mean that every other brand is crap.  It is great that you believe in your product, but the people here are probably not going to walk into your store so relax.  I suspect that if you found yourself taking another position with a different brand as I have you would realize just what is really out there in our industry.  And believe me, being in a store does not allow for objective views of the industry.

[Steve]

WOW...well written. Nothing against East_TX_Spa personally but this post carries a great deal of thought in general I find.

The last sentence is OH SO TRUE and it hasn't been put better IMO!

Steve

[Anglia67]

Amen Soakin....I think "some" of them are finally getting it, maybe,perhaps the picture posting and grand standing may stop, and we can get much needed info that this banal board has become, it seems that when someone  mentions any other brands but what the few , you mention sell, the gates of hell open up.

[Guzz]

I have yet to see the "gates of hell" on this forum, now there is another spa forum that is the gates of hell, but thats another subject. In Terms defence ( although i'm sure he does'nt need it) I find his posts to be very helpfull and unbiased, i beleive we are all here to gain something, I have gained a lot of insight into what people are really looking for when spa shopping, and continue to learn in other ways also on a daily basis. I  think that without  some of Terms imput this forum would be banal

[drewstar]

Amen Soakin....I think "some" of them are finally getting it, maybe,perhaps the picture posting and grand standing may stop, and we can get much needed info that this banal board has become, it seems that when someone  mentions any other brands but what the few , you mention sell, the gates of hell open up.

huh?  picture posting is bad?

Grandstanding?  

Honestly, if you feel there is a problem, contribute and speak up then and there. Its a public forum.  Don't sit back and say nothing and the later whine about vague things.