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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2005, 06:56:15 am »
I'll see if I can't find it!
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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2005, 06:56:15 am »

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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2005, 07:03:32 am »
This is a repost of ZZTop's post of May, 2004, which was titled "How To negotiate buying a hot tub" (or something close to that)!  Sorry if I quoted wrong!  ;D


One of the most often asked subjects on the board.

Hot tubs are more difficult to buy than a car or a house as a tremendous amount of research and knowledge is required before one can make an informed and intelligent choice.  

Prior to purchasing a Hot Tub if you have Tendonitis, Arthritis, soft tissue injuries etc get a prescription from your Doctor for Hydro Therapy ( A Hot Tub).  In most jurisdictions you can write off the entire Purchase or at least the taxes.  Check with your accountant.  
 
Of course in negotiating to just get a deal on the tub is not enough. There are a large number of costly extras, which are must haves which one has to buy anyway, and you do not want to pay on the nose for after the sale.  
 
Here is a list of Hot Tub features you may want to consider:

For example in purchasing our Beachcomber 550X Hot Tub:  the Protect Feature, (easier access, much quieter operation, ( You can have a conversation in the tub while the pump is on high speed), the tub is fully insulated on all four sides, gives you a step to get into the tub) I am convinced this is the most energy efficient design,  24 hour silent hush pump (the most energy efficient and cost effective filtration system), ozone system, either UV or CD, ( helps use less chemicals and can save on chemical costs),   LED Lighting, really Cool at night,  Reflex Foot massage, a must have,  a really great option,  A choice of jets which are interchangeable,  (Note you can totally change the personality of a tub by changing the jets), A hand held jet, (great for hitting that special place the other jets never quite get.), Everwood exterior, totally maintenance  free, unlike cedar,  A suite of chemicals, Chemical test Kit, an extra filter, filter cleaner canister, Upgraded power smart Cover,  a Spa Blanket, ( a Spa blanket will insulate the surface of the water where the greatest heat loss occurs, it protects the cover from absorbing moisture and from chemical damage both of which contribute to premature wear), A Cover lift,  a 5.5 kw heater for fast reheating, a Five year Premium Guarantee all at  50% of their advertised retail price. Delivery and set up usually costs around $200 - 250.00 Which still leaves foundation and Electrical including GFI .  
 
Now have I missed anything?    
 
Oh yes the tub must have a floor drain.  As a tub's water should be changed every 3 months and you do not want to have to bail the last 6 inches of water out of the tub before you can refill it.  
 
And one other subject comes to mind.  Color of the Tub.  The white colors reflect the light at night best however shows the most dirt,  A Tub with a rough textured surface does not show scratches, smooth surfaces will show scratches,  the darker colors wear well, your choice.  

One must not forget that the greatest benefit of a hot tub is HYDROTHERAPY, that is WARM WATER.
Then comes COMFORT.    
Do you want a lounger?, how many seats?  Check the water depth.  Many Spas are quite shallow.  Look for a depth of 38 inches, a reasonable size foot well and a water capacity of 350 gallons or more.

The Jet therapy is secondary and totally subjective to the individual.  That is why the number of jets, number of pumps, horsepower etc can be very misleading.  
The best advice WET TEST!  
The more Pumps and features the greater the cost of operation and maintenance in the long term.  Unless absolutely necessary do not get a 110 Volt tub, the 230-240 volts are much more efficient.  

Be aware of all the GIMMICKS,  like Water Falls, Misters, Head Pillows, Stereo systems, TV's, Ice Wells, Beer dispensers, Towel Warmers, Lighting systems, (Although the LED lighting at night is really cool), Sperm Skimmers, Aroma therapy, Air pumps, Thermopane, Microban,  etc.  

Buy Quality!  This is an investment which should last you a long time and have easy  maintenance and trouble free operation for many years to come.  

Choose a Dealer with a good track record, who has been in business for a long time and treats you right as you may need to rely on him/her after the sale for service.  

Consider the top six Manufacturers  however it should be mentioned that there are many manufactuers who build quality products.

Read all the threads on this Board. (http://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/)  It is filled with a wealth of tips and information posted by my fellow posters. Also have a look at these sites:  
www.poolandSpa.com:8080/~2/login
www.rhtubs.com/cgi-bin/bbs/config.pl
 
I hope this will serve as a basic guide to what to look for and negotiate when entering the world of SpaTopia.  

Top Six Hot Tub Manufactures:
Beachcomber  
Marquis Spas
Dimension One  
Caldera Spas  
Jacuzzi      
    Sundance Spas      
Watkins Manufacturing
     Hotspring    
     Caldera      

There are many other manufacturers who build great products.  The above manufacturers come up on this board most often.  After reading all the threads you can get a feel for what is quality and what is not.  What features are important and what is fluff.  Watch out for the gimmicks which can take the focus off of what is quality.

Regards,  ZzTop   (John B.)
04/27/04
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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2005, 12:03:17 pm »
Wow great info!!! thanks for the repost of that Lori.....very helpful!

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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2005, 12:10:30 pm »
I thought it might be!  ;D

And I sure couldn't have said it any better!!!   ;)
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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2005, 08:55:16 pm »
Thank you so much for the repost on buying a spa! I discovered this forum recently while doing some research for our first spa purchase. The posts here have helped me ask far more informed questions of the dealers to whom I've talked. Thank you all.


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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2005, 06:39:34 pm »
Don't be sold on horsepower and/or # of jets. This is a common sales technique.
Spas are designed to produce gallons per minute per jet. The horsepower required depends on the number of jets.  Too many jets leave you feeling like your sitting in a blender. Look for variety, fit to your muscle groups as well as comfort control at each seat.
A cool down area is important (to me). I also like elbow rests.  And if you have injuries or concern about slipping-don't get a smooth surface.  
The dealer who attempts to find out as much as she/he can in regards to how you intend to use your spa, what your requirements are, if you have children, injuries, any issues electrically, etc. should go to the top of the list.
Test soak, test soak, test soak- my only rules are no thongs, no speedos and recently added no nudity.   ::)
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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2005, 10:54:18 pm »
Here are a few things i think people should think about when buying a spa.  First, make sure you buy from a good company that is well established in your area.  Second,  spas are like everything else you and I buy      ( i.e. cars, carpet, washing machine) You get what you pay for.  I love my Hotspring Prodigy and  I wish you luck on your hot tub search.    

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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2005, 12:09:49 am »
ZZTOP wrote
"Be aware of all the GIMMICKS,  like Water Falls, Misters, Head Pillows, Stereo systems, TV's, Ice Wells, Beer dispensers, Towel Warmers, Lighting systems, (Although the LED lighting at night is really cool), Sperm Skimmers, Aroma therapy, Air pumps, Thermopane, Microban,  etc."

Granted, some of these items listed are just gimmicks that seem appealing but add no real value, but ZZTOP is also a full foam advocate and when he states that Thermopane is a gimmick, I have to protest.

There are some companies that have introduced a different way of insulating their spas, called Thermopane, and it is a contentious point of debate on this forum.  Don't let the fact that a spa is thermopane designed turn you away from their product.
I am a Coleman owner and it was their thermopane design as well as their metal frame that turned me onto them.  You will find much info on this website regarding the 2 different insulations types, "full foam and thermopane".  
Now on the other hand, any spa that has a beer dispenser should certainly  not be called a gimmick.  I would call this a "must have"!  Provided I don't have to replenish the dispencer myself.  :)



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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2005, 05:26:49 pm »
The Buyers Guide section has lots of great advice too and should be overlooked:

http://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/guide.shtml

Other than that, lots of great advice above, but I tend to agree with Rick that many parts of ZZ's post is catered to the product he purchased (Beachcomber).

As a former dealer of Beachcomber I recognize alot of what ZZ wrote as staples of the Beachcomber sales presentation/tactics......not that there is anything wrong with that.

Peolple will advise you to buy the way they did for 2 reasons:
1)They are happy and satisfied.
That does not mean what is right for them is right for you.
2)They feel the need (subconsciously) to justify there decision.

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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2005, 07:11:32 am »
Sperm Skimmers?  What is a Sperm Skimmer?  Now hot tubs are used for birth control.

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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2005, 01:46:47 pm »
Hey the Jacuzzi Premium has a sperm skimmer at the filter and a spa condom on the intakes.

I don't think I'd rely on this for birth control though. ::)




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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2005, 10:34:08 am »
Hi,

Im going through the motions of buying a spa room too. alot of good answers have come out in this thread, particularly does jets matter.  I unfortunately am attracted to a few of the gimmicks that ZZ's post mentioned.  I like the idea of an audio/visual system in a tub.  I understand its not everyone's cup of tea though too.  What I am curiously interested in though, are the manufacturers whom I should avoid like the plague.  Dealers that sell notoriously faulty goods or overpriced for the quality.  Also, is there an industry "average" pricing guide on stuff like: with X types of jets, and Y features you should expect to pay somewhere around Z.

Ive only been to a couple of dealers in my area and Ive seen tubs range from $2,000 to as much as $16,000.  The wet test sounds very important, and I'll be sure to try out a tub that I am very interested in before buying, but cmon, when you are soaking in hot water and jets are hitting you, its kind of hard to say this doesnt feel good! :)


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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2005, 11:57:03 am »
It is highly possible to purchase a spa that not only fits your hydro-therapy needs but also fills your desires for audio/visual stimulation.  You might want to check out the Utopia and aquatic melodies series by Caldera Spas, the Newly redesigned 2005 Calofornian by Dimension One Spas, the Vista and Envoy by Hot Spring Spas, the euphoria & reward by marquis spas just to name a few.

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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2005, 01:39:49 pm »
Buy the hot tub you like the most and buy a hot tub you can maintain.  Wait, can you do that?

P.S.  Does this list include six manufacturers, nine manufacturers, four manufacturers, or...?


"Top Six Hot Tub Manufactures:  
Beachcomber  
Marquis Spas  
Dimension One  
Caldera Spas    
Jacuzzi  
    Sundance Spas  
Watkins Manufacturing  
Hotspring    
Caldera"


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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2005, 02:00:14 pm »
Watkins Manufacturing produces the following:

HotSpring Portable Spas
Tiger River Spas
Solana Spas
Hot Spot Spas
Caldera Spas.


Jacuzzi and Sundance are owned by the same company, and also make a few others such as Gatsby and Sweetwater spas.

« Last Edit: March 06, 2005, 08:48:34 am by Chas »
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Re: Newbie Request for Help Purchasing new Spa
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