My wife and I called New England dealers of pretty much every reputable brand out there in the first two weeks of July. We had a couple of them tell us 6 or 8 weeks initially, which we didn't believe, and when we followed up and got a detailed quote the story changed to late Oct/early Nov. Everyone else was pretty candid in saying November or later, with some saying next year. We ordered from Saratoga on the 20th or 21st and got an estimated date of Nov 17, but we (and the dealer) are preparing for a winter delivery in the snow. I will be gobsmacked if we see it in November.