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If they did reduce their leaks by 70% 1) they REALLY had/have a quality control issue in the first place, 2) Its not about the parts but more about the process. The jet itself isn't the issue as much as is the gasket/silicone process, how you install/torque them down, how you plumb them and certainly how you prep the fiberglass... I call BS on claiming they solved their issue with more expensive jets but then again that entire HTU is a big Marketing ploy.
LOL even if he had a way to track this (which he absolutely doesn't) It still wouldn't be believable...his vids are good for a few laughs I will say that
100% agree. I rarely see leaks from the jets, but even when you do it typically has nothing to do with the jet itself. It's the manufacturing process more than anything. HTU guy is a good salesman and sounds super knowledgeable to a consumer but a lot of what he says is total b.s. and spin to sell master spas.
Chris from HTU told me that Master went to CMP jets from Waterway starting in 2017. He also told me that it reduced leak failures by 70% (from, I presume, an already low number) and that the ones they chose were actually more expensive than the Waterway jets. Without mentioning Master (for fear of inviting a hate-on) I bumped an old thread on CMP vs Waterway to seek some other opinions.For sure manufacturers will move it around based on cost and performance, especially for components they are out-sourcing anyway.
Rarely do I ever hear or see jet leaks. Can't imagine that it would make a difference between Waterway and CMP. I would assume that it is either error when installing the jet fittings or was an issue with a shell mold that didn't allow the jet body to seat properly. Either way, I could care less between the two jet manufacturers as I can't recall an issue with either or.
For greater certainty I don't blindly rely on HTU, which is why I bumped that old thread about the jets. I was testing his assertions.What continues to bewilder me though is how people jump all over him, calling him a shill, questioning his motives and generally dissing him (and Master).The tipping point for me in trusting him is that he speaks highly of and even recommends brands he doesn't sell. Go ahead and respond by saying that it is "all part of the plan" if you want. But to me, his willingness to endorse other brands is a big plus in this murky world of mysterious pricing and where the consumer has to place manufacturer/dealer integrity much higher on the radar than in other markets. He plainly states on his web site that the culture of this market is what inspired him to start HTU. In my view, rather than trashing him, which is the easy thing to do, the industry should take a long look in the mirror and do the tougher thing, which is to change its shady practices.All of this being said, I acknowledge my lack of experience. And to some degree I admit that I'm stirring the pot to provoke discussion. What I really look forward to is getting into a few other brands of hot tubs to compare performance. That will take some time for sure. Once that's done I will be in a much stronger position to judge.
Quote from: Spatech_tuo on November 16, 2018, 11:55:41 amIf they did reduce their leaks by 70% 1) they REALLY had/have a quality control issue in the first place, 2) Its not about the parts but more about the process. The jet itself isn't the issue as much as is the gasket/silicone process, how you install/torque them down, how you plumb them and certainly how you prep the fiberglass... I call BS on claiming they solved their issue with more expensive jets but then again that entire HTU is a big Marketing ploy.Quote from: BullFrogSpasMN on November 16, 2018, 12:43:23 pmLOL even if he had a way to track this (which he absolutely doesn't) It still wouldn't be believable...his vids are good for a few laughs I will say thatQuote from: Sam on November 16, 2018, 01:46:55 pm100% agree. I rarely see leaks from the jets, but even when you do it typically has nothing to do with the jet itself. It's the manufacturing process more than anything. HTU guy is a good salesman and sounds super knowledgeable to a consumer but a lot of what he says is total b.s. and spin to sell master spas.Lol, I flippin' knew that the haters would come out. That's why I didn't mention Master here lol:https://www.whatsthebest-hottub.com/forum/index.php/topic,17903.0.html
My biggest issue with him is he thinks he knows everything about hot tubs. On the other brands he recommends (take Marquis for instance because I know and sell them) he is very inaccurate with a lot of his facts about them. I haven’t been on his site in awhile but if you look at his recommendations 90% of the time it’s Master unless Master isn’t available. Most of what he is saying he probably believes to be true but unless you work with a particular brand day in and day out you aren’t going to really know that brand.
Quote from: Hottubguy on November 17, 2018, 02:33:17 pmMy biggest issue with him is he thinks he knows everything about hot tubs. On the other brands he recommends (take Marquis for instance because I know and sell them) he is very inaccurate with a lot of his facts about them. I haven’t been on his site in awhile but if you look at his recommendations 90% of the time it’s Master unless Master isn’t available. Most of what he is saying he probably believes to be true but unless you work with a particular brand day in and day out you aren’t going to really know that brand.I have a few written at my office but the one that I remember exact was he was telling people that Microsilk is a expensive chemical system and you are better off using Spa Marvel. Fact is Microsilk has nothing to do with chemicals and 10 minutes of time on there website and he could’ve figured that out for himself. He is definitely educated on Master but not so much on anything else. Can you be more specific about the facts he has wrong?
At the end of the day I could care less about Master Spas, their 'Flash on Trash' junk they build is of no concern to me or my bottom line. If you want someone worried about Master you'll have a to find a Cal Spa dealer, that's the junk that competes well with Master Spas lol....
I have a few written at my office but the one that I remember exact was he was telling people that Microsilk is a expensive chemical system and you are better off using Spa Marvel. Fact is Microsilk has nothing to do with chemicals and 10 minutes of time on there website and he could’ve figured that out for himself.