I purchased the encore se about 2 days ago. Black shell and teakwood cabinet. Delivery, tax, cover, cover lift, and startup chem for 5500. They had to order it so should be here in 3 weeks i was told. I was really into the fact that the components were quality. Name brand heater, pump, jets, clamped and glued joints. Good warranty on parts and shell also. Im sure there are more comfortable tubs out there but i didnt really think the price difference was gonna be worth it for me. It was like saying there are cars faster than a corvette so you should buy those instead. Insinuating that a corvette wasnt very fast? Idk in my opinion ill get pretty nice relaxation and therapy out of the nordic for a price i can sleep with.