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up to 90% less plumbing than other hot tubs with a similar size and jet count. What's not to get? It's true. There is significantly less plumbing in a 7' bullfrog with 60 jets than aother 7' with 60 jets. I mean, it makes sense. In most hot tubs every single jet requires a hole in the shell and a plumbing line. In a Bullfrog you only need one hole and one plumbing line per seat, rather than per jet. There is one jetpak that has 42 jets, yet only one plumbing connection. It's a simple and true concept. I won't argue the merits of the design, but it is a plain and simple fact that there will be less plumbing on a bullfrog with x jets than another hot tub with x jets.Also, lol at arguing with an engineer in the field of fluid dynamics about fluid dynamics.
Quote from: Sam on March 23, 2018, 02:21:54 pmup to 90% less plumbing than other hot tubs with a similar size and jet count. What's not to get? It's true. There is significantly less plumbing in a 7' bullfrog with 60 jets than aother 7' with 60 jets. I mean, it makes sense. In most hot tubs every single jet requires a hole in the shell and a plumbing line. In a Bullfrog you only need one hole and one plumbing line per seat, rather than per jet. There is one jetpak that has 42 jets, yet only one plumbing connection. It's a simple and true concept. I won't argue the merits of the design, but it is a plain and simple fact that there will be less plumbing on a bullfrog with x jets than another hot tub with x jets.Also, lol at arguing with an engineer in the field of fluid dynamics about fluid dynamics.And it seems BF is struggling a bit with that one big customer accessible hole in the shell. Those big o-rings seem to struggle.
Your disdain for Bullfrog is so weird to me. They make a great hot tub that is unlike anything else out there. I'm also unbiased enough to recommend other brands because I try really hard to apply my experience objectively, but there is no arguing that Bullfrog are great hot tubs and among the best our industry has to offer.
Quote from: Sam on March 25, 2018, 02:36:32 pmYour disdain for Bullfrog is so weird to me. They make a great hot tub that is unlike anything else out there. I'm also unbiased enough to recommend other brands because I try really hard to apply my experience objectively, but there is no arguing that Bullfrog are great hot tubs and among the best our industry has to offer. It's not a disdain for BF. I'll say it again Sam and I will say it slower so you understand, B F m a k e s a f i n e t u b, nothing special or better than about 10 other brands.You can puff it up all you want and a ton of people will buy into the BS. But not me and a ton of others who see through the puff.They don't feel better, they don't have more power, they aren't more efficient, they don't last longer and they don't cost less. They Got Nothing.
It's not a disdain for BF. I'll say it again Sam and I will say it slower so you understand, B F m a k e s a f i n e t u b, nothing special or better than about 10 other brands.
I guess I’m lucky in the sense that the bullfrog dealers in my area don’t really effect me all that much because they are sub par dealers.
Quote from: Hottubguy on March 25, 2018, 10:50:05 pm I guess I’m lucky in the sense that the bullfrog dealers in my area don’t really effect me all that much because they are sub par dealers.I'm curious how you know/define that. "Sub-par dealers"? So how are you better and how are they worse? Those kinds of statements mean exactly nothing unless you back them up with facts. Or at the very least, with examples.But we won't get a reply from you because you said you wouldn't reply. Not surprising, because why would you want to be called out on what you said.
I appreciate the spirited debate guys! It has definitely give me some insight to our purchasing process. TMan, I was looking at bullfrog. What other brand in my selection of dealers should I check out in your opinion? I like to keep all my options open.
Quote from: jtd1216 on March 25, 2018, 08:44:10 pmI appreciate the spirited debate guys! It has definitely give me some insight to our purchasing process. TMan, I was looking at bullfrog. What other brand in my selection of dealers should I check out in your opinion? I like to keep all my options open.A bunch of good brands were mentioned in this thread. All good brands including BF. I personally think the Marquis HK jets blow away anything BF has to offer as far as feel. I also think the design and engineering of D1 is better. But remember my opinion is just that. I have recently had the opportunity to wet test an A8, it had been a while since I sat in any brand. The things I mentioned are based on that. Water distribution to close to your ears is bad. Most brands bury the distribution in the tubs insulation. They say things like less plumbing, less plumbing than what? And how does less plumbing make it better? They say full power all the time at all pacs, that's impossible. They say no diverters, The way they lay out the tub and the nature of the design that is also false and misleading.There is only one advantage to BF and that is the ability to choose the pacs you want in the locations you want before you get it home. No one is going to buy extra pacs and switch them around. It's easier and better to just slide over to another seat for a different feel rather than move a pac, all tubs you can do this.Over the years there have been just as many BF problems on this forum as any other brand. Including o-ring problems.
Really intrigued to hear the 3 or 4 reasons the engineering is flawed