Dazed&Confused,can I make a suggestion?.?

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I suggest you buy a shell and a frame,and build one yourself. As you're not willing to work WITH the dealers etc....I think your best course of action is to skip any and all dealerships,and buy 1 from the big box stores.

You could always purchase a CaVeN too,as it's the best internet spa out there,and if you don't believe me,you can ask the spa deceptionist yourself.

Lastly,to be painfully honest.......I wouldn't sell you a used,sun bleached Phoenix for 25,000 dollars. You are the last customer I would want or desire.

P.S. ... besides not owning a business,what do you do for a living?

[Steve]

I also want to know your income so I can base my selling price on that!

Please bring in your credit history so I know your debt load and what you can afford.

Steve
Don't you just hate me!

[ebirrane]

 

I think the above posters forgot to add the "nothing personal" to the end of their messages!

Shop around as much as you want, D&C.  I don't agree with it beyond a certain price point but no one can tell you how to spend your money. Next years models will be more expensive as most dealers up the price about $500 each year. However, sometimes you can get a "last year" model for less money.

Part of the pirce you pay is for warranty.  If that isn't attractive to you, there are many classified ads selling 2002 and 2003 hot tubs. I saw a HS grandee, 2003, for something like $6k when I was looking for a tub, but I wanted the warranty.

Best of luck.

-Ed

[Steve]

I think the above posters forgot to add the "nothing personal" to the end of their messages!

Nope.. I didn't thanks Ed.  

Why not turn it around on dazed? He thinks he should get to see the dealers costs so HE can determine what HE wants to pay.

I say, let the dealers see his credit rating and bank account statement so THEY can determine want THEY want to charge him! Why not I say? It's his mentality, not mine. :-/

It's a game he's playing Ed. It's not real life.

Steve

[CalicoskiesNC]

Maybe its wishful thinking, but I always understood that prices for things like hot tubs, cars, Rx meds, electronics etc. had other factors built in to the price: research and development, marketing, quality assurance, engineering.  You cant just boil it down to the materials and some hours of labor.  Thats not gonna give you a fair price for both consumer/manufacturer.  

My dad worked for GM for years.  Cadillacs and Corvettes do not really cost $35,000 more to manufacture than the Chevys do.  Its all in the features, engineering and design.  Otherwise, they're all just bent metal and fiberglass on 4wheels, right? But to drive a Corvette or a Chevy Malibu, you feel the difference.

D&C, I dont understand what your true objective is.  You want to buy a tub at cost? Or you want to decide how much profit is fair to a dealer?  Its one thing to do research and find a good tub, its another to imply that all tub dealers are crooks trying to rip you off.  Its gotta take alot of energy to be that paranoid all the time.  

I agree with the post above, check out the used tubs in your area.  I dont think you will ever forgive yourself if you buy new, you will always worry that the dealer made a profit from your sale.  

[Chris_H]

My suggestion for the people (dazedandconfused and needaspa) that have a problem with dealers over priced spas is to view the attached link, and sign up to win a free spa, and you also get a free Trex deck:  

http://www.hotspring.com/Spa_Notes_Hot_Tub/trex_deck_spa.html#Rules

If you win you will not be complaining about your $8,500 dollar overpriced piece of plastic.  If you were wondering, Hotspring can give one away because they make so much money on each one.

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D&C

Just curious(sp).  What line of work are you in?

I kinda have to agree, spend YOUR money the way you want.  But don't tell us what it takes to run OUR business.

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Almost 24 hours has elapsed and no sign of D&C.  He must be wet-testing spas for the umphteenth time.

P.S. ... What line of work are you in D&C?

[Steve]

Need Opinions FAST
« on: Posted by dazedand confused Jun 24th, 2004, 10:00am »  Quote:

Well, after weeks on this forum and others and countless hours of research, wet tests, etc, I am thinking about buying the following:  
 
Sundance Cameo  
Cover  
Chemicals  
SunLift  
SunGlow Multicolor Light  
SunZone CD Ozone  
Exterior Perimeter Lights  
Handi Step  
MicroClean Filter  
Drink Tray  
SunScents  
 
I have been quoted 7900 total.  I am asking 7500 total.  My budget was 7000 but I thought the dealer and I could or might split the difference.  
 
Any advice?    
 
Thanks

Good thing we all responded FAST! Watta joke and I feel foolish for being sucked into this charade too!

Steve

[huh?]

Lets just make an assumption that D&C makes $6 an hour in his line of work.

Only getting two days off a week.

Now...only having two days off a week I figure my days off are worth at least double to me

D&C's assumed time off --------- $12 an hour
two days of looking                      16 hours
                                                -------------------
                                            $192  per week looking

Registered and looking
for almost 3 months                 $576

So assuming D&C only makes $6 an hour and has looked/thought about "the best price" on his/her assumed two days off each week for the amount of time he/she has been registered with this forum has wasted $576 "looking for the best price"  Double that if D&C makes a "livable" income in the mid-west ($12 an hour).  Thats over a thousand dollars.

Keep looking, it'll be worth your while.

[ttodd1]

Need Opinions FAST
« on: Posted by dazedand confused Jun 24th, 2004, 10:00am »  Quote:
 
Well, after weeks on this forum and others and countless hours of research, wet tests, etc, I am thinking about buying the following:  
 Â 
Sundance Cameo  
Cover  
Chemicals  
SunLift  
SunGlow Multicolor Light  
SunZone CD Ozone  
Exterior Perimeter Lights  
Handi Step  
MicroClean Filter  
Drink Tray  
SunScents  
 Â 
I have been quoted 7900 total.  I am asking 7500 total.  My budget was 7000 but I thought the dealer and I could or might split the difference.  
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Any advice?    
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Thanks

7900 for all that??    Where are you, who's the dealer???   My Sundace dealer is quoting me 8300 and I only get the CD ozone and a cover lift....... maybe I should rethink this..... nah I want the spa and good times.  

[Buckeye]

Funny stuff...

Dazed, I really feel sorry for you being out-numbered on this one.  I'm just a regular customer too, and I thought I was particular about several thousand dollars but... at some point it's time to literally take the plunge.  I should have my tub on-deck and running within a week    whahooo!!!!!!!!!!  No regrets.

Buckeye

[Steve]

I want to be clear here. Very clear...

I, in no way, am against people spending the time needed to make an educated, smart purchase. I'm not one to spend years purchasing anything but I do consider myself thorough.

What dazed has done here is turn this into a circus and taken advantage of people that are genuine in their offer to help others. This is a guy that will step over a dollar to pick up a nickle.

He posts months ago needing immediate help, then eventually posts saying he's made up his mind. Then he asks one of the most bizarre questions a month later that I've ever seen that shows just how little he really has digested here. He posts under multiple names and personally, he's offended me and others by taking advantage of some great people here.

Steve

[bodguy]

Prizes: One (1) Hot Spring Envoy spa to be awarded by Sponsor. Prize includes delivery and installation of the Hot Spring Envoy spa, to be arranged for by Watkins Manufacturing at the address stated on the winner's registration form. Approximate retail value $7,000.00.


This is a quote from the hotsprings sweepstakes....please note the RETAIL value for an Envoy.

There needsaspa/d&c.....theres your ammunition,, straight from the manufacture itself.

[Brewman]

Almost 24 hours has elapsed and no sign of D&C.  He must be wet-testing spas for the umphteenth time.

If you want D/C to post, you have to use bait:

I just bought a new 2004 Sundance Cameo with stereo, lights, steps, cover, lifter, startup chemicals, ozone, and the remote control.  
I got this for $7,000, and the dealer paid my sales tax for me and threw in a free ducky.  

Spashoppergoodealguy