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tman's odd obsession with Bullfrog continues. I just want to point out that he has zero experience with a modern Bullfrog.
Quote from: Sam on January 27, 2017, 02:41:32 pmtman's odd obsession with Bullfrog continues. I just want to point out that he has zero experience with a modern Bullfrog.it is slightly weird...then claims Marquis (who btw I believe makes a damn good spa) engineering blows away Bullfrog...Hmmm what's Marquis' newest feature this year?.....JET PODS, Hmmm what does a JET POD sound like? maybe a JetPak? haha even the industry is catching on and knows how powerful the message is, then claims his fav. brand is Dimension 1 (again good brand, nothing against them) but seriously when was their last updated design? 15 years ago? It seems he has issues with anything "new" and OMG the horror that companies actually market their products, those evil companies trying to sell stuff with marketing, how terrible.
and OMG the horror that companies actually market their products, those evil companies trying to sell stuff with marketing, how terrible.
And why is it I am the bad guy, so against BF, obsessed were the words used to describe. When it truly is nothing more than the same BS or "marketing" as stated used again and again that has been called out so many times in the past.If you BF salesman would like me to list the questions again that need to be answered that the video claims, I certainly will. But I never got the answers any of the previous times I asked.Here's one of the questions, what tub was used for the 90% less plumbing comparison? But I dout the OP is even looking at that tub. But again we will never know.Here's another question, how does less plumbing relate to a better jet feel?Another, By putting the manifolds BF claims to not have, inside the vessel in the form of jetpacs, does it increase the cavitation noise inside the vessel.Another, what is the warranty on the jetpac seals? Seems a common customer accessible failure point.And another, what is the water flow in GPM of the current pumps used by BF? And what is the head loss?I could go on and on. But the OP seems like a smart guy. I am sure he will investigate himself and I am sure he understands the BS spewed by BF better now.My obsession is not with BF. They make a fine tub. My obsession is with B*** S***
Quote from: Tman122 on January 28, 2017, 09:35:09 amAnd why is it I am the bad guy, so against BF, obsessed were the words used to describe. When it truly is nothing more than the same BS or "marketing" as stated used again and again that has been called out so many times in the past.If you BF salesman would like me to list the questions again that need to be answered that the video claims, I certainly will. But I never got the answers any of the previous times I asked.Here's one of the questions, what tub was used for the 90% less plumbing comparison? But I dout the OP is even looking at that tub. But again we will never know.Here's another question, how does less plumbing relate to a better jet feel?Another, By putting the manifolds BF claims to not have, inside the vessel in the form of jetpacs, does it increase the cavitation noise inside the vessel.Another, what is the warranty on the jetpac seals? Seems a common customer accessible failure point.And another, what is the water flow in GPM of the current pumps used by BF? And what is the head loss?I could go on and on. But the OP seems like a smart guy. I am sure he will investigate himself and I am sure he understands the BS spewed by BF better now.My obsession is not with BF. They make a fine tub. My obsession is with B*** S***For those of us who have been around her for a while, Tman is speaking the truth here. He doesn't have it out for BF. He has called out several brands in the past (including the brand I sell) for what he sees as marketing BS. He and I have gone back and fourth some in the past, but it is all in fun. I can see how people can take it that way though, especially those who sell the product. I actually agree with Tman that some of those claims are probably stretched quite a bit. The line of cutting spas energy use by at least half. No way that is true. The stronger shell than every other spa. Again, that is obviously not true, and that can't be proven no matter the swiss cheese line they use! My .02 is top shop around at all of your good local dealers. Look at them all closely. Wet test to see what you like and dislike. Just because you like a lounger on one spa, doesn't mean you will like a lounger on the next spa. Compare warranties to make sure you are comparing apples to apples.
See page 1, post #10 of this thread But I do enjoy watching the banter
I purchased a bullfrog (although an x series). I don't see anything wrong with what Tman has said in this particular thread. However, when all you dealers start bashing on each other and start the brand wars it only makes all you guys look bad and childish. Not trying to pick a fight, just trying to give you some insight from a consumer. In my career being a professional also means acting like one. Don't lower yourselves to the typical used care salesman stereotype. Now I hope I haven't offended you guys since you all typically give great advice that make this forum what it is!