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When I was looking at Master Spa a few weeks ago. I was tossed up between Master, Marquis and Artisian. It took some time to get some clear idea's as to why people here don't like Master. Most if not all of the items I think are now mostly taken care of... Other then the poor business practice of the company. There is a history of them not standing behind deals and rebates they have made.. All said that was a few years ago. As far as quality, they seem to be pretty similar components as best as I could tell to the brands I referenced. Mind you I say that as an end user and no experience fixing tubs,. Swilly just bought a Master here in Canada and should be able to share his price as well. Pricing I was getting was $12k, $300 for cover lifter. That was for a Twilight 8.25 or 8.2.
The cynic in me is telling me that the hate-on is spawning fake reviews born out of resentment from being screwed around. If I'm right it's pretty sad that disenchanted people are spreading malicious untruths about good product so that well-meaning consumers trying to sift through this murky market get misled and lied to in their search for a good tub.
Call me selfish, but I don't care about their sales tactics.
Quote from: swilly1000 on November 01, 2018, 11:07:54 amThe cynic in me is telling me that the hate-on is spawning fake reviews born out of resentment from being screwed around. If I'm right it's pretty sad that disenchanted people are spreading malicious untruths about good product so that well-meaning consumers trying to sift through this murky market get misled and lied to in their search for a good tub.You're obviously on to us! Our two part plan to 1-spread lies to defame Master on this site, 2-create fake reviews for customers to see is now out in the open. You've foiled our dastardly plan just like Scooby and Shaggy did every Saturday morning!
Quote from: swilly1000 on November 01, 2018, 11:07:54 amCall me selfish, but I don't care about their sales tactics. You're selfish.
Nowhere do I see specific examples of poor quality build or performance, only vague statements about them being mid-quality at best and that you can do better. Give me specifics. There is something very fishy about these vagaries.
Be specific. And not about duct tape. This a hot tub.Insulation is full foam iceyene. Is it really full foam? Have you removed the sides and its tight to the cabinet? What are others doing that's better?Controller and heating system is Balboa. What version of Balboa? They make good and economical. Just because it's Balboa doesn't make it automatically good. What are others doing that's better?Jets are Waterways (may recently have changed to CMP) mid and high flow. And two of the huge 10" jets for the feet. Virtually none of those crappy little low flow 2" jets. What are others doing that's better?My tub has twin 6hp pumps. No it doesn't. Unless those motors are pulling 16+ amps, their not 6HP, and horsepower doesn't matter. It's about feel. What are others doing that's better?The shell is hand rolled vinyl esther resin self supporting. Its about thickness and how good a job was done in manufacturing. Shell also will rarely be an issue. I've had one bad shell in the last 15 years. What are others doing that's better?I pulled the skirt off mine a few times. It didn't feel or look cheap to me. What are others doing that's better?I only wet tested one other brand....a Marquis Vector. The massage performance felt virtually the same as mine. I will concede that my experience is limited and I look forward to getting into other brand tubs to test my theory. My main desire is the massage therapy so when I see tubs in show rooms that are loaded up with cheap low flow 2" jets they get immediately taken off my list. And even though I'm inexperienced, I have seen lots of those.Would be most interested in hearing specifics, not vagaries.
My tub has twin 6hp pumps. What are others doing that's better?
Be specific. And not about duct tape. This a hot tub.Insulation is full foam iceyene. What are others doing that's better?Controller and heating system is Balboa. What are others doing that's better?Jets are Waterways (may recently have changed to CMP) mid and high flow. And two of the huge 10" jets for the feet. Virtually none of those crappy little low flow 2" jets. What are others doing that's better?My tub has twin 6hp pumps. What are others doing that's better?The shell is hand rolled vinyl esther resin self supporting. What are others doing that's better?I pulled the skirt off mine a few times. It didn't feel or look cheap to me. What are others doing that's better?I only wet tested one other brand....a Marquis Vector. The massage performance felt virtually the same as mine. I will concede that my experience is limited and I look forward to getting into other brand tubs to test my theory. My main desire is the massage therapy so when I see tubs in show rooms that are loaded up with cheap low flow 2" jets they get immediately taken off my list. And even though I'm inexperienced, I have seen lots of those.Would be most interested in hearing specifics, not vagaries.