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Quote from: Blueandwhite on April 17, 2016, 01:59:47 pmQuote from: Spatech_tuo on April 17, 2016, 12:44:44 pmQuote from: Blueandwhite on April 17, 2016, 11:44:56 amInteresting. They make a big deal about their energy efficiency and insulation. They show a chart in which they exceed energy efficiency standards in CAlifornia and compare their bigger spa with other brand spas and it is more efficient. Also they say repair technicians don't have to deal with digging through foam. $8900 seemed a fair price. Am I paying too much?I'm not sure those efficiency standards are that tough to meet. Every spa brand makes a big deal out of how well their spa is insulated including those that really are and those that actually aren't.Here's a chart they like to use to say how efficient they arehttp://www.allaboutspas.com/How-Much-Does-it-Cost-to-Run-a-Hot-Tub-s/26252.htmWhat a bogus chart. Random spas. Grandee listed twice with different dimensions and cost.These numbers are for "stand by mode". This is assuming you do not use the spa. It is just maintaining heat with the cover on.
Quote from: Spatech_tuo on April 17, 2016, 12:44:44 pmQuote from: Blueandwhite on April 17, 2016, 11:44:56 amInteresting. They make a big deal about their energy efficiency and insulation. They show a chart in which they exceed energy efficiency standards in CAlifornia and compare their bigger spa with other brand spas and it is more efficient. Also they say repair technicians don't have to deal with digging through foam. $8900 seemed a fair price. Am I paying too much?I'm not sure those efficiency standards are that tough to meet. Every spa brand makes a big deal out of how well their spa is insulated including those that really are and those that actually aren't.Here's a chart they like to use to say how efficient they arehttp://www.allaboutspas.com/How-Much-Does-it-Cost-to-Run-a-Hot-Tub-s/26252.htm
Quote from: Blueandwhite on April 17, 2016, 11:44:56 amInteresting. They make a big deal about their energy efficiency and insulation. They show a chart in which they exceed energy efficiency standards in CAlifornia and compare their bigger spa with other brand spas and it is more efficient. Also they say repair technicians don't have to deal with digging through foam. $8900 seemed a fair price. Am I paying too much?I'm not sure those efficiency standards are that tough to meet. Every spa brand makes a big deal out of how well their spa is insulated including those that really are and those that actually aren't.
Interesting. They make a big deal about their energy efficiency and insulation. They show a chart in which they exceed energy efficiency standards in CAlifornia and compare their bigger spa with other brand spas and it is more efficient. Also they say repair technicians don't have to deal with digging through foam. $8900 seemed a fair price. Am I paying too much?
Lol the grandee has 100 more gallons than the maax. Nice comparison I really hate deceptive marketing. The maax guys are known for being dishonest. Ask any road show veteran. They'll all tell you the same thing.
Quote from: Tman122 on April 17, 2016, 01:36:59 pmQuote from: Tman122 on April 17, 2016, 07:41:19 amI find MAXX lacking on insulation, which equates to energy hungry. Seems the noise level ends up high because of this also. Their equipment area laid out sloppily. The fit and finish of the cabinet and components sloppy.But maybe the wet test says it is the tub for you.Generally less expensive construction can lead to lower prices. Not to say that a lessor life expectancy is necessarily less value. Parts can be easy to find at good prices and changing out parts isn't that hard. Less insulation means easier to work on, maybe that's important to you? You have 4 good choices in front of you. See which is comfortable on your back side first then start looking at construction.It seems to me that easy to work on means less time being repaired if something goes wrong. Of course, not needing repairs is even better. In my area I could only wet test the Maax and hot springs envoy. Maax was definitely better in fit and ability to individually control jets. Also the lounge chair was much better since my wife didn't float away. I'd love to wet test the bullfrog or jacuzzi but can't. Is $8900 to much to pay for the Maax? What would be fair? Or are you saying I could get better for the money?
Quote from: Tman122 on April 17, 2016, 07:41:19 amI find MAXX lacking on insulation, which equates to energy hungry. Seems the noise level ends up high because of this also. Their equipment area laid out sloppily. The fit and finish of the cabinet and components sloppy.But maybe the wet test says it is the tub for you.Generally less expensive construction can lead to lower prices. Not to say that a lessor life expectancy is necessarily less value. Parts can be easy to find at good prices and changing out parts isn't that hard. Less insulation means easier to work on, maybe that's important to you? You have 4 good choices in front of you. See which is comfortable on your back side first then start looking at construction.
I find MAXX lacking on insulation, which equates to energy hungry. Seems the noise level ends up high because of this also. Their equipment area laid out sloppily. The fit and finish of the cabinet and components sloppy.But maybe the wet test says it is the tub for you.
Quote from: Blueandwhite on April 17, 2016, 02:06:23 pmQuote from: Tman122 on April 17, 2016, 01:36:59 pmQuote from: Tman122 on April 17, 2016, 07:41:19 amI find MAXX lacking on insulation, which equates to energy hungry. Seems the noise level ends up high because of this also. Their equipment area laid out sloppily. The fit and finish of the cabinet and components sloppy.But maybe the wet test says it is the tub for you.Generally less expensive construction can lead to lower prices. Not to say that a lessor life expectancy is necessarily less value. Parts can be easy to find at good prices and changing out parts isn't that hard. Less insulation means easier to work on, maybe that's important to you? You have 4 good choices in front of you. See which is comfortable on your back side first then start looking at construction.It seems to me that easy to work on means less time being repaired if something goes wrong. Of course, not needing repairs is even better. In my area I could only wet test the Maax and hot springs envoy. Maax was definitely better in fit and ability to individually control jets. Also the lounge chair was much better since my wife didn't float away. I'd love to wet test the bullfrog or jacuzzi but can't. Is $8900 to much to pay for the Maax? What would be fair? Or are you saying I could get better for the money?Sorry blueandwhite for riling the guys up but a lot of what they are saying has been said in the past. The spa's, not bad but not good either. The company..............well, you hear some good out of them but they've been passed around a few times? Do your own looking inside and pass on the sales pitches for now. 8900 is to much for that tub.
Thanks again for all the responses. Can I ask what would you consider a fair price for a Maax 471? Or what other tub could I get for a similar price?
The same dealer sells jacuzzis. Otherwise it's hot springs or bullfrog. I live in a small town. The jacuzzi seemed nice but couldn't wet test it.